[QUOTE=Prodigy;36419]Studies are easily manipulated and therefore are not always accurate.[/quote]
Making blanket statements you pull out of your ass aren't always accurate, either.
[QUOTE=Prodigy;36419]
I can conduct a study and the conclusion would be that Asian guys like white women. The outcome would be based on my 3 friends and me, which all prefer white women. Does this make my "study" valid? [/quote]
Seeing that this study was done as part of a Graduate research program, I'd say they were a little more thorough than that. I could be wrong though, I'm not a doctor.
[QUOTE=Prodigy;36419]
Why do Beauty magazines feature men with six packs? Why are male hunk calendars full of men with six packs? Why is the weight loss a billion dollar industry? Why do classic paintings depict men with six packs (even Jesus has a six pack in most of his paintings)? Why do women drool over the spartans in the movie 300? Why do most male strippers have six packs?
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Beauty magazines feature women who are bone thin as well. Small/non-existent breasts, no ass, etc. Do you think that's what men "generally" prefer these days? I don't think so.
[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35540957/ns/health-skin_and_beauty/[/URL]
They agree.
What woman do you know that buys "male hunk calendars" ???? I can confirm from my firefighter friend that their firefighter calendars sold to more men (sexuality not confirmed) than women. Take that as you will.
Abs can be seen in some paintings as a means to portray starvation or strength. In the example you used (Jesus) I lean more towards starvation...
Men made more of a deal over the 300 guy's body's and workouts than women.
I'm not going to even attempt to rebut the male stripper thing. I gots nothing on that...but I don't know any girls out there fucking male strippers left and right.
[QUOTE=Prodigy;36419]
You guys are talking about the exception, which I understand that not ALL women likes guys with six packs, but a six pack has always been desired by both men and women.
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The whole reason why I'm even participating in this thread is because I think YOU are talking about the exception. The sect of chicks out there that just have to have the 6-pack gym rat. As the article above points out, what society considers sexy changes. Guys desire it because they either like rubbing down men with 6 packs or they have the same belief you do...that girls want a 6 pack. Period.
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[QUOTE=Prodigy;36419]
For anyone to sit there and tell me that women do not prefer six packs is ludicrous...
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Why? It's ludicrous to you because you adamantly believe women prefer them. I think it's ludicrous that you're filling this thread up with matter-of-fact statements with little to nothing backing them up. You can speak in generalities all you want...but at least speak in up to date generalities.
[QUOTE=Prodigy;36419]
While I will go do 1000 sit ups so that when I go to the river, women can wish their bf had my body....[/QUOTE]
Those looks could mean they are wishing their bf had your body, or they could be something a long the lines of, "Why is that guy out of the river and posing on his inner tube?" : P
When you get in shape enough to have a 6 pack, you're most likely doing it more for yourself and your male peers (sounds familiar to women getting all dolled up for the other women, not the men...eh?) You'll feel better about yourself, and the confidence you radiate will attract women. If you don't believe that, then why aren't you at the bars holding your shirt up and exposing "The Situation?"
Do your sit ups, get your swell on, enjoy yourself. Like I said before, if that's what you gotta do to get to the point where you feel comfortable and confident in yourself, then that's exactly what you need. But, just HAVING the abs doesn't get you anything.
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:27 am
[QUOTE=grimm1111;36425]Who knew this thread would be so much fun?
Rhody, the actors you named (Depp, Clooney, Richard Gere) are older and appeal to an older class of woman. After a certain age, it becomes difficult, nay nearly impossible, to be that lean without looking unnatural. That is also the reason bodybuilders are unattractive. The unnatural look is not found to be attractive by most women.
That, and those guys are hardly ever filmed without their shirts on. And they have good facial features and good style.[/QUOTE]
Depp, Clooney, and Richard Gere are just examples I got from People Magazine's sexiest man alive. Other examples include that vampire guy from those silly movies, John Mayer, Orlando Bloom, Ewan McGregor, Jude Law, and so on. Sure, there are ripped guys who are included in the list of men that get women wet. But I don't think that's the deciding factor. Like you said, they're not generally filmed without their shirts on. If six-pack abs were such a deciding factor, they would be. Either that or the list would be dominated by bowflex models.
[quote]You're curious, so I'll let you know that the Brad Pitt in Fight Club thing comes from a post I did a couple weeks back where I described him as an example of the most desirable body type preferred by most women (though most women fell for him in Legends of the Fall if I remember right).
Pitt is often filmed without a shirt, in contrast.[/quote]
Actually, the "Brad Pitt in Fight Club" mantra has been going on here for years. I remember people posting it three years ago. Brad Pitt is a talented actor. He has attractive facial features. He has a cool attitude, incredible social proof, fame, money, style. Are we really going to say that his abs are what make him popular among women?
[quote]For more examples, think CK underwear models. Like Marky Mark grabbing his funky bunch...
Otherwise, you make some points that I don't argue with. The hunky male calendars, etc. Women are not as visual as we are. But, just because I say "not as visual" doesn't mean they aren't at all visual, just less so.
Or maybe they are just more mature in some ways. When I was school-age, I remember many or most girls had posters of guys on their walls.
Anyway, I still contend that the visual part of them likes a six pack.[/quote]
I'm not going to say that women don't get any biological reaction from seeing a six pack. I'm sure it's a contributing factor. However, unlike men who have a laser-like focus, women see the big picture. If you show a man a picture of a woman with nice cleavage, he will focus on the breasts. He won't be able to tell you what color her eyes were, whether she was holding a purse, what kind of shoes she was wearing, whether her jeans were light blue or dark, etc. On the other hand, if you show a woman a picture of a shirtless guy, she will take in the big picture. She will be able to tell you about his eyes, his hair, his jeans, his smile, whether he was clean shaven, his posture, whether he had his hands in his pockets, whether his shoulders were defined, whether he had hair on his chest, what kind of sand was on the beach, how cloudy the sky was, how dark his tan was, etc.
Sure, women get a small biological reaction from seeing six pack abs, but it is such a small portion of the big picture that it is fleeting and relatively unimportant.
Rhody, the actors you named (Depp, Clooney, Richard Gere) are older and appeal to an older class of woman. After a certain age, it becomes difficult, nay nearly impossible, to be that lean without looking unnatural. That is also the reason bodybuilders are unattractive. The unnatural look is not found to be attractive by most women.
That, and those guys are hardly ever filmed without their shirts on. And they have good facial features and good style.[/QUOTE]
Depp, Clooney, and Richard Gere are just examples I got from People Magazine's sexiest man alive. Other examples include that vampire guy from those silly movies, John Mayer, Orlando Bloom, Ewan McGregor, Jude Law, and so on. Sure, there are ripped guys who are included in the list of men that get women wet. But I don't think that's the deciding factor. Like you said, they're not generally filmed without their shirts on. If six-pack abs were such a deciding factor, they would be. Either that or the list would be dominated by bowflex models.
[quote]You're curious, so I'll let you know that the Brad Pitt in Fight Club thing comes from a post I did a couple weeks back where I described him as an example of the most desirable body type preferred by most women (though most women fell for him in Legends of the Fall if I remember right).
Pitt is often filmed without a shirt, in contrast.[/quote]
Actually, the "Brad Pitt in Fight Club" mantra has been going on here for years. I remember people posting it three years ago. Brad Pitt is a talented actor. He has attractive facial features. He has a cool attitude, incredible social proof, fame, money, style. Are we really going to say that his abs are what make him popular among women?
[quote]For more examples, think CK underwear models. Like Marky Mark grabbing his funky bunch...
Otherwise, you make some points that I don't argue with. The hunky male calendars, etc. Women are not as visual as we are. But, just because I say "not as visual" doesn't mean they aren't at all visual, just less so.
Or maybe they are just more mature in some ways. When I was school-age, I remember many or most girls had posters of guys on their walls.
Anyway, I still contend that the visual part of them likes a six pack.[/quote]
I'm not going to say that women don't get any biological reaction from seeing a six pack. I'm sure it's a contributing factor. However, unlike men who have a laser-like focus, women see the big picture. If you show a man a picture of a woman with nice cleavage, he will focus on the breasts. He won't be able to tell you what color her eyes were, whether she was holding a purse, what kind of shoes she was wearing, whether her jeans were light blue or dark, etc. On the other hand, if you show a woman a picture of a shirtless guy, she will take in the big picture. She will be able to tell you about his eyes, his hair, his jeans, his smile, whether he was clean shaven, his posture, whether he had his hands in his pockets, whether his shoulders were defined, whether he had hair on his chest, what kind of sand was on the beach, how cloudy the sky was, how dark his tan was, etc.
Sure, women get a small biological reaction from seeing six pack abs, but it is such a small portion of the big picture that it is fleeting and relatively unimportant.
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:42 am
[QUOTE=Prodigy;36421]how so?[/QUOTE]
Prodigy, I said your statement almost defeats your argument, because you said, "While I will go do 1000 sit ups so that when I go to the river, women can wish their bf had my body...." That says that the women still want their boyfirends. They chose their boyfriends for other reasons and the six-pack is an unimportant secondary consideration. It would be a bonus, but not a deciding factor. Otherwise, rather than wishing her boyfriend had your body, she'd be wishing she was ravishing YOUR body.
I'm curious about your thoughts on a theory I have. I mentioned it briefly, but I'd like to get your reaction. I suspect that women see six-pack abs as a sign of narcissism, that it is a sign of physical superiority and character flaw. I suspect that a woman sees a super ripped guy and says, "looks hot; he must really care about how he looks." And my suspicion is that it's a negative comment, because caring too much about how you look is perceived as a feminine trait that is unattractive to women. So according to my theory, women like the visual treat, but don't take the man seriously as a mate. Do you think there is any truth to this?
Prodigy, I said your statement almost defeats your argument, because you said, "While I will go do 1000 sit ups so that when I go to the river, women can wish their bf had my body...." That says that the women still want their boyfirends. They chose their boyfriends for other reasons and the six-pack is an unimportant secondary consideration. It would be a bonus, but not a deciding factor. Otherwise, rather than wishing her boyfriend had your body, she'd be wishing she was ravishing YOUR body.
I'm curious about your thoughts on a theory I have. I mentioned it briefly, but I'd like to get your reaction. I suspect that women see six-pack abs as a sign of narcissism, that it is a sign of physical superiority and character flaw. I suspect that a woman sees a super ripped guy and says, "looks hot; he must really care about how he looks." And my suspicion is that it's a negative comment, because caring too much about how you look is perceived as a feminine trait that is unattractive to women. So according to my theory, women like the visual treat, but don't take the man seriously as a mate. Do you think there is any truth to this?
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:01 am
[QUOTE=Rhody;36433]Prodigy, I said your statement almost defeats your argument, because you said, "While I will go do 1000 sit ups so that when I go to the river, women can wish their bf had my body...." That says that the women still want their boyfirends. They chose their boyfriends for other reasons and the six-pack is an unimportant secondary consideration. It would be a bonus, but not a deciding factor.
I'm curious about your thoughts on a theory I have. I mentioned it briefly, but I'd like to get your reaction. I suspect that women see six-pack abs as a sign of narcissism, that it is a sign of physical superiority and character flaw. I suspect that a woman sees a super ripped guy and says, "looks hot; he must really care about how he looks." And my suspicion is that it's a negative comment, because caring too much about how you look is perceived as a feminine trait that is unattractive to women. So according to my theory, women like the visual treat, but don't take the man seriously as a mate. Do you think there is any truth to this?[/QUOTE]
I have always understood that women taKe much more into consideration than just a six pack when deciding a partner. The point I'm trying to make is that women prefer men with a six pack over a man without a six pack. The discussion has never been what is desired in a bf, just what women prefer when it comes to ONE aspect of a person, their abs (or lack there of). Everyone is taking into consideration other factors, which is irrelevant for the sole topic of discussion. Having a chiseled jaw or millions of dollars has nothing to do with if a woman likes a mans stomach.
You have an interesting theory and in some cases may hold true as many women find narsicissm, conceit and pure cockiness as an unattractive, undesireable trait. So you have a valid point there.
But, On the flip side, some women interpret a six pack as having a healthy lifestlye, someone that takes care of themselves, someone active; which are all desireable traits by women.
Ultimately, it comes down to how each women interprets the meaning of having a nice body and six pack. What may impact her interpretation is what you say.
If you have a six pack and go around bragging about it, then yes, it would be negatively viewed by women. But if you have a six pack but aren't cocky about it, then she would find it sexy.
It's the same with intellgence, looks, style, hair and most other qualities.
I'm curious about your thoughts on a theory I have. I mentioned it briefly, but I'd like to get your reaction. I suspect that women see six-pack abs as a sign of narcissism, that it is a sign of physical superiority and character flaw. I suspect that a woman sees a super ripped guy and says, "looks hot; he must really care about how he looks." And my suspicion is that it's a negative comment, because caring too much about how you look is perceived as a feminine trait that is unattractive to women. So according to my theory, women like the visual treat, but don't take the man seriously as a mate. Do you think there is any truth to this?[/QUOTE]
I have always understood that women taKe much more into consideration than just a six pack when deciding a partner. The point I'm trying to make is that women prefer men with a six pack over a man without a six pack. The discussion has never been what is desired in a bf, just what women prefer when it comes to ONE aspect of a person, their abs (or lack there of). Everyone is taking into consideration other factors, which is irrelevant for the sole topic of discussion. Having a chiseled jaw or millions of dollars has nothing to do with if a woman likes a mans stomach.
You have an interesting theory and in some cases may hold true as many women find narsicissm, conceit and pure cockiness as an unattractive, undesireable trait. So you have a valid point there.
But, On the flip side, some women interpret a six pack as having a healthy lifestlye, someone that takes care of themselves, someone active; which are all desireable traits by women.
Ultimately, it comes down to how each women interprets the meaning of having a nice body and six pack. What may impact her interpretation is what you say.
If you have a six pack and go around bragging about it, then yes, it would be negatively viewed by women. But if you have a six pack but aren't cocky about it, then she would find it sexy.
It's the same with intellgence, looks, style, hair and most other qualities.
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:13 am
Smirks, I will not even offer rebuttal to your comments, not because I don't disagree, but because quite frankly, it just doesn't matter.
The discussion has nothing to do with confidence. Simply a question of which women prefer. Honestly, we will never know the answer until a controlled survey with the right population reflective of the female gender (which is generally impossible) is conducted. It will never happen.
I will continue to believe that women prefer a six pack and will continue to do ab workouts since it makes me more marketable.
The discussion has nothing to do with confidence. Simply a question of which women prefer. Honestly, we will never know the answer until a controlled survey with the right population reflective of the female gender (which is generally impossible) is conducted. It will never happen.
I will continue to believe that women prefer a six pack and will continue to do ab workouts since it makes me more marketable.
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:27 am
[QUOTE=Prodigy;36434]You have an interesting theory and in some cases may hold true as many women find narsicissm, conceit and pure cockiness as an unattractive, undesireable trait. So you have a valid point there.
But, On the flip side, some women interpret a six pack as having a healthy lifestlye, someone that takes care of themselves, someone active; which are all desireable traits by women.
Ultimately, it comes down to how each women interprets the meaning of having a nice body and six pack. What may impact her interpretation is what you say.
If you have a six pack and go around bragging about it, then yes, it would be negatively viewed by women. But if you have a six pack but aren't cocky about it, then she would find it sexy.
It's the same with intellgence, looks, style, hair and most other qualities.[/QUOTE]
I would agree with Rhody that most women would view a guy with a 6 pack as being a bit narcissitic. But, then again most women aren't fucking Playboy models. My point is this: women that are active and care a lot about how their body looks will probably find a man that cares how his body looks to be attractive. Being ripped is obviously an easy visual sign that a man has a similar lifestyle as she does and vice versa (although men usually just want their women to be shaped right or thin).
Really, what we're talking about is a way to potentially attract people that you think are attractive and people that live a similar lifestyle as you do.
Here's an example. I like women with tats. I love tats on women Jesus it's hottest fucking thing for me. Over the years, I've found that women with tats tend to like guys with tats. Guess what? I've always wanted tats anyways so I figured it would be a great way of visually projecting to women that I'm 'one of them.' Call it peacocking, filtering, whatever. So, I've been on a campaign to ink myself more.
The point is that sometimes visual signs are the best way to attract the kind of girl you want to be with. My guess is that Prodigy likes girls that are fit or slender or healthy. So, it would only make sense that he would hold himself to the same standard (although I suspect he holds them to the same standard that he holds himself...didn't want to put the cart in front of the horse, words do matter ;)
Personally, I do like girls that stay active and fit. But, I'm not really all that concerned if they look like a fucking Playboy Bunny or fitness model. Just be healthy, I'm cool with that. If I did have a 6 pack and met a girl that thought that was a big deal (bigger than simply thinking it's nice), I'd dump her ass right then and there because she's probably a shallow little bitch. But, if she thought it was just one more great them about me then that'd be fine with me.
But, On the flip side, some women interpret a six pack as having a healthy lifestlye, someone that takes care of themselves, someone active; which are all desireable traits by women.
Ultimately, it comes down to how each women interprets the meaning of having a nice body and six pack. What may impact her interpretation is what you say.
If you have a six pack and go around bragging about it, then yes, it would be negatively viewed by women. But if you have a six pack but aren't cocky about it, then she would find it sexy.
It's the same with intellgence, looks, style, hair and most other qualities.[/QUOTE]
I would agree with Rhody that most women would view a guy with a 6 pack as being a bit narcissitic. But, then again most women aren't fucking Playboy models. My point is this: women that are active and care a lot about how their body looks will probably find a man that cares how his body looks to be attractive. Being ripped is obviously an easy visual sign that a man has a similar lifestyle as she does and vice versa (although men usually just want their women to be shaped right or thin).
Really, what we're talking about is a way to potentially attract people that you think are attractive and people that live a similar lifestyle as you do.
Here's an example. I like women with tats. I love tats on women Jesus it's hottest fucking thing for me. Over the years, I've found that women with tats tend to like guys with tats. Guess what? I've always wanted tats anyways so I figured it would be a great way of visually projecting to women that I'm 'one of them.' Call it peacocking, filtering, whatever. So, I've been on a campaign to ink myself more.
The point is that sometimes visual signs are the best way to attract the kind of girl you want to be with. My guess is that Prodigy likes girls that are fit or slender or healthy. So, it would only make sense that he would hold himself to the same standard (although I suspect he holds them to the same standard that he holds himself...didn't want to put the cart in front of the horse, words do matter ;)
Personally, I do like girls that stay active and fit. But, I'm not really all that concerned if they look like a fucking Playboy Bunny or fitness model. Just be healthy, I'm cool with that. If I did have a 6 pack and met a girl that thought that was a big deal (bigger than simply thinking it's nice), I'd dump her ass right then and there because she's probably a shallow little bitch. But, if she thought it was just one more great them about me then that'd be fine with me.
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:31 am
[QUOTE=Rhody;36432]Depp, Clooney, and Richard Gere are just examples I got from People Magazine's sexiest man alive. Other examples include that vampire guy from those silly movies, John Mayer, Orlando Bloom, Ewan McGregor, Jude Law, and so on. Sure, there are ripped guys who are included in the list of men that get women wet. But I don't think that's the deciding factor. Like you said, they're not generally filmed without their shirts on. If six-pack abs were such a deciding factor, they would be. Either that or the list would be dominated by bowflex models.
Actually, the "Brad Pitt in Fight Club" mantra has been going on here for years. I remember people posting it three years ago. Brad Pitt is a talented actor. He has attractive facial features. He has a cool attitude, incredible social proof, fame, money, style. Are we really going to say that his abs are what make him popular among women?
I'm not going to say that women don't get any biological reaction from seeing a six pack. I'm sure it's a contributing factor. However, unlike men who have a laser-like focus, women see the big picture. If you show a man a picture of a woman with nice cleavage, he will focus on the breasts. He won't be able to tell you what color her eyes were, whether she was holding a purse, what kind of shoes she was wearing, whether her jeans were light blue or dark, etc. On the other hand, if you show a woman a picture of a shirtless guy, she will take in the big picture. She will be able to tell you about his eyes, his hair, his jeans, his smile, whether he was clean shaven, his posture, whether he had his hands in his pockets, whether his shoulders were defined, whether he had hair on his chest, what kind of sand was on the beach, how cloudy the sky was, how dark his tan was, etc.
Sure, women get a small biological reaction from seeing six pack abs, but it is such a small portion of the big picture that it is fleeting and relatively unimportant.[/QUOTE]
If you don't think a six pack is important, then don't work for one, and I will. This argument is pathetic and I'm going to ignore this thread now..
Actually, the "Brad Pitt in Fight Club" mantra has been going on here for years. I remember people posting it three years ago. Brad Pitt is a talented actor. He has attractive facial features. He has a cool attitude, incredible social proof, fame, money, style. Are we really going to say that his abs are what make him popular among women?
I'm not going to say that women don't get any biological reaction from seeing a six pack. I'm sure it's a contributing factor. However, unlike men who have a laser-like focus, women see the big picture. If you show a man a picture of a woman with nice cleavage, he will focus on the breasts. He won't be able to tell you what color her eyes were, whether she was holding a purse, what kind of shoes she was wearing, whether her jeans were light blue or dark, etc. On the other hand, if you show a woman a picture of a shirtless guy, she will take in the big picture. She will be able to tell you about his eyes, his hair, his jeans, his smile, whether he was clean shaven, his posture, whether he had his hands in his pockets, whether his shoulders were defined, whether he had hair on his chest, what kind of sand was on the beach, how cloudy the sky was, how dark his tan was, etc.
Sure, women get a small biological reaction from seeing six pack abs, but it is such a small portion of the big picture that it is fleeting and relatively unimportant.[/QUOTE]
If you don't think a six pack is important, then don't work for one, and I will. This argument is pathetic and I'm going to ignore this thread now..
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by Guest » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:47 pm
I don't even see any 6 pack stomachs at the gym and I'm there 3times a week. When I hear women mention what physical characteristics they like in men, I don't believe I've ever heard 6 pack come up.
I think your time would be better spent on learning how to dance, than trying to achieve a 6pack! ;) Now I've heard a lot of women say how impressed they were with guys who could dance!
I think your time would be better spent on learning how to dance, than trying to achieve a 6pack! ;) Now I've heard a lot of women say how impressed they were with guys who could dance!
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