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What is it about women and money?
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by Guest » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:49 am
I've never had that problems with women I actually like. There have been a couple no-good hookers who always wanted me to pay (I didn't) and it didn't last long with them. The women who always want you to pay are always, always completely selfish in just about every other way. Kick them to the curb.
A couple weeks ago this asian hooker got mad at me because I demanded she pay half our sushi bill. She got mad and threw a tantrum. So we went back to my house and I went to sleep, she starts whining that she wants to have sex. I told her no and went to bed. She was going to stay at my house until 6pm the next day when she had to go to work. I wake up at 8am to her phone ringing, and she actually picks it up and talks for a while. When she hangs up she says, oh that was just another guy who always pays, he wants me to come over later.
I tell her to go ahead and go over there now, I want to sleep, get out of my house. Again she throws another fit "Is that really it between us?" She brought 3 bags of clothes and other stuff over, I made her do the walk of shame carrying all 3 bags by herself then shut the door behind her and went back to bed.
Another time I was with a drunk Bengali girl who demanded we stop at whataburger so she could eat. We get to the drive-thru, she orders, no one else wants anything, we get up to pay and she starts saying "I don't ever pay for my own food!" Well then you're going to starve you idiot, and we drove off without her food.
Last week I was presented with an $85 tab and I tell the girl she needs to give me half and she pretends to not have any money with her. So I took her home and fucked her and then busted on her face in the morning, when she was sober and can remember it. "I've never lat anyone do that to me before". Good.
Literally almost every other women who has anything going on for her except her looks is completely cool with splitting costs. It's not a big deal if you don't make it a big deal.
A couple weeks ago this asian hooker got mad at me because I demanded she pay half our sushi bill. She got mad and threw a tantrum. So we went back to my house and I went to sleep, she starts whining that she wants to have sex. I told her no and went to bed. She was going to stay at my house until 6pm the next day when she had to go to work. I wake up at 8am to her phone ringing, and she actually picks it up and talks for a while. When she hangs up she says, oh that was just another guy who always pays, he wants me to come over later.
I tell her to go ahead and go over there now, I want to sleep, get out of my house. Again she throws another fit "Is that really it between us?" She brought 3 bags of clothes and other stuff over, I made her do the walk of shame carrying all 3 bags by herself then shut the door behind her and went back to bed.
Another time I was with a drunk Bengali girl who demanded we stop at whataburger so she could eat. We get to the drive-thru, she orders, no one else wants anything, we get up to pay and she starts saying "I don't ever pay for my own food!" Well then you're going to starve you idiot, and we drove off without her food.
Last week I was presented with an $85 tab and I tell the girl she needs to give me half and she pretends to not have any money with her. So I took her home and fucked her and then busted on her face in the morning, when she was sober and can remember it. "I've never lat anyone do that to me before". Good.
Literally almost every other women who has anything going on for her except her looks is completely cool with splitting costs. It's not a big deal if you don't make it a big deal.
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by Guest » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:29 pm
All the fucking time. I'm a pretty generous person so I'm totally cool with picking up the tab if it's a girl that I enjoy. But, even then, it becomes expected. The worst, for me, is when they say something like "I want to go out tonight." And, I'm thinking to myself, you mean you want to go out on my dime. Or when they ask if you want to go to dinner, again they're basically saying I want you to take me to dinner, I'll run up your tab, and in exchange you'll get my company and my pussy. Yeah, not a fair trade on most occasions.
I can't tell you how many girls I dated that complained that their ex's never took them anywhere, they never went out, and how nice it is to be with someone that takes them places. I'm over here thinking to myself, well they never took you out because they didn't have any fucking money to pay for your stupid ass.
My biggest issue is that I make more money than every girl I've ever dated. I've had a few make close to what I've made, but never more. I suspect that this will only be a bigger problem as I age and continue to date women that are 25 - 35.
I've found that having the means to wine and dine a woman is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, women want a man that makes some nice scratch on the other hand if they know you make good cash then they expect for you to spend that money on them. What I've done is to try to live a life where it's hard to tell how much money I actually make.
For example, when I first meet a girl, I don't tell them that I have an MBA, what I do for a living, what kind of car I drive, where I live, none of that shit. I don't tell them, but I still know that I still project that I do well for myself so I'm sure they pick up on it. The issue with this is that there are certain parts of the city where you have absolutely no choice but to tell these girls about your financial status because they will not be with a guy that doesn't make good scratch...uh umm, Uptown. This is why I have such a problem with Uptown. It's always the same three questions out of the mouth of these stupid little whores: where do you work/what do you do, where do you live, and where did you go to school? All three of those questions give very important information regarding how well you do for yourself.
Over the years, I've tried to tone down my income level. My clothes tend to be nice, but not so nice that they can tell I have money to spend. The place I live is nice, but not so nice that it's a tip off of my income. I've even thought of getting a second car that's a few years old, that's nice and clean but not super nice.
I've had to create artificial constructs in my dating life to deal with the the possibility that a girl will just suck your shit dry.
First, I never take them to dinner until at least the 3rd or 4th date. It's always a let's meet for drinks at 9, come over to my place at 9, or I'll be at your place at 9. They're grown adults, they can feed themselves.
Second, I try to drink at home as much as possible. Booze can get pricey, fast. So, I always try to get them a little drunk before we ever even leave the house. And, when we go drinking, I take them to places where a drink doesn't cost $10.
Third, I never take them to dinner unless we've fucked. The interesting thing is that a lot of girls won't put out until you feed them, so you end up with this weird little dance where the girl wants to be 'taken out on a proper date.' It's interesting, but on many occasions I would be seeing a chick and finally breakdown and take her to dinner...100% of the time, that night is when we fuck. Seriously, it's like it's hard wired in some girls brain to think that they need to bed fed before they fuck you. So, this rule does cost me pussy, but it also filters out the ones that have expectations for what you do with YOUR fucking money.
Fourth, if they ask me to go out with them, then I'm going to tell them upfront that since she asked me out she's going to pay otherwise I'm not going. Like Lion said, don't make it a big deal because it isn't.
Finally, I understand that I'm going to pick up 70% of the tabs. That's just how things always tend to shake out. I'm Ok with this if I like the girl and she's appreciative and rewards me with crazy sex acts. As men, we're always going to pick up the vast majority of the tabs. It does make sense though, women spend a shit ton of cash on making themselves attractive for us (which we want) and women tend to make less money then men. Given those facts, it's never going to be 50/50...unless of course you're dating a chicka that makes a lot of cash. Even then, I'm pretty sure you're on the hook for a lot of the tabs.
It's just straight up socially accepted prostitution.
I can't tell you how many girls I dated that complained that their ex's never took them anywhere, they never went out, and how nice it is to be with someone that takes them places. I'm over here thinking to myself, well they never took you out because they didn't have any fucking money to pay for your stupid ass.
My biggest issue is that I make more money than every girl I've ever dated. I've had a few make close to what I've made, but never more. I suspect that this will only be a bigger problem as I age and continue to date women that are 25 - 35.
I've found that having the means to wine and dine a woman is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, women want a man that makes some nice scratch on the other hand if they know you make good cash then they expect for you to spend that money on them. What I've done is to try to live a life where it's hard to tell how much money I actually make.
For example, when I first meet a girl, I don't tell them that I have an MBA, what I do for a living, what kind of car I drive, where I live, none of that shit. I don't tell them, but I still know that I still project that I do well for myself so I'm sure they pick up on it. The issue with this is that there are certain parts of the city where you have absolutely no choice but to tell these girls about your financial status because they will not be with a guy that doesn't make good scratch...uh umm, Uptown. This is why I have such a problem with Uptown. It's always the same three questions out of the mouth of these stupid little whores: where do you work/what do you do, where do you live, and where did you go to school? All three of those questions give very important information regarding how well you do for yourself.
Over the years, I've tried to tone down my income level. My clothes tend to be nice, but not so nice that they can tell I have money to spend. The place I live is nice, but not so nice that it's a tip off of my income. I've even thought of getting a second car that's a few years old, that's nice and clean but not super nice.
I've had to create artificial constructs in my dating life to deal with the the possibility that a girl will just suck your shit dry.
First, I never take them to dinner until at least the 3rd or 4th date. It's always a let's meet for drinks at 9, come over to my place at 9, or I'll be at your place at 9. They're grown adults, they can feed themselves.
Second, I try to drink at home as much as possible. Booze can get pricey, fast. So, I always try to get them a little drunk before we ever even leave the house. And, when we go drinking, I take them to places where a drink doesn't cost $10.
Third, I never take them to dinner unless we've fucked. The interesting thing is that a lot of girls won't put out until you feed them, so you end up with this weird little dance where the girl wants to be 'taken out on a proper date.' It's interesting, but on many occasions I would be seeing a chick and finally breakdown and take her to dinner...100% of the time, that night is when we fuck. Seriously, it's like it's hard wired in some girls brain to think that they need to bed fed before they fuck you. So, this rule does cost me pussy, but it also filters out the ones that have expectations for what you do with YOUR fucking money.
Fourth, if they ask me to go out with them, then I'm going to tell them upfront that since she asked me out she's going to pay otherwise I'm not going. Like Lion said, don't make it a big deal because it isn't.
Finally, I understand that I'm going to pick up 70% of the tabs. That's just how things always tend to shake out. I'm Ok with this if I like the girl and she's appreciative and rewards me with crazy sex acts. As men, we're always going to pick up the vast majority of the tabs. It does make sense though, women spend a shit ton of cash on making themselves attractive for us (which we want) and women tend to make less money then men. Given those facts, it's never going to be 50/50...unless of course you're dating a chicka that makes a lot of cash. Even then, I'm pretty sure you're on the hook for a lot of the tabs.
It's just straight up socially accepted prostitution.
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by Guest » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:57 pm
Ohh man UH I have felt your pain before. I wrote a post long ass some time ago about something similar.
I have had the pleasure of dating some girls who pick up their fair share of tabs. It was nice and I found the girl more attractive for doing so. These girls were typically high earners though. In fact I would say they were all high earners for their age and being women. So for them it wasn't a big deal to pick up every other tab.
Some girls are poor and if they truly don't make much money I usually don't hold it against them. They have to be super nice though. The Whataburger stunt like Lion described wouldn't fly. You have some hilarious stories there Lion.
One time I was dating this pretty hot chick and she wouldn't pay for anything. I mean she just damn expected you to pay for everything. One night I just got up out of bed and left. She was pretty dumbfounded that I would do that and not say goodbye.
I don't mind paying about 75% of the time and I always pay for the first date. It is a beautiful thing though when you find a girl who pays about 50% of the time. It is nice knowing the next time you guys go out she is footing the bill and it is just common knowledge that she is paying that time out. Those are probably the keepers that I let slip through my hands over the years.
I have had the pleasure of dating some girls who pick up their fair share of tabs. It was nice and I found the girl more attractive for doing so. These girls were typically high earners though. In fact I would say they were all high earners for their age and being women. So for them it wasn't a big deal to pick up every other tab.
Some girls are poor and if they truly don't make much money I usually don't hold it against them. They have to be super nice though. The Whataburger stunt like Lion described wouldn't fly. You have some hilarious stories there Lion.
One time I was dating this pretty hot chick and she wouldn't pay for anything. I mean she just damn expected you to pay for everything. One night I just got up out of bed and left. She was pretty dumbfounded that I would do that and not say goodbye.
I don't mind paying about 75% of the time and I always pay for the first date. It is a beautiful thing though when you find a girl who pays about 50% of the time. It is nice knowing the next time you guys go out she is footing the bill and it is just common knowledge that she is paying that time out. Those are probably the keepers that I let slip through my hands over the years.
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by Guest » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:46 pm
Lions Rules:
Never go out to dinner until you have fucked a few times. Then dinner is not a big deal. If I'm dealing with a food-for-fuck girl I will just wait her out. Eventually she will cave in [B]because I never will[/B]. When she see's that you will do exactly as you say she will respect you more.
Plan your dates after normal dinner times.
Run separate tabs if possible.
Try to have the first date at your house or her house. I will spring for groceries to make dinner and the $1 movie rental that will be playing while I'm knee deep.
Here's a great way to test her: Tell her you forgot your wallet at home and check her reaction.
If you look poor she will never expect you to pay for everything. I learned that when I was poor.
Don't talk about money. It shows her that you have it and she'll probably think you enjoy spending it.
Tell her straight up [I]I'll buy this round, you buy next round[/I]. If she says no, then you only need to buy one drink. Your own.
Never, ever have the mindset [I]If I don't pay she will stop liking me[/I]. That's false. She will respect a man who stands up and lives by his own rules and ideals. Never give in.
What if the girl is poor?
If you enjoy her company go ahead and pay. Not a big deal at all. If she demands it then fuck her. I have never ran into a girl who was so poor she couldn't afford a couple drinks. Girls usually have money because guys buy their shit for them.
Never go out to dinner until you have fucked a few times. Then dinner is not a big deal. If I'm dealing with a food-for-fuck girl I will just wait her out. Eventually she will cave in [B]because I never will[/B]. When she see's that you will do exactly as you say she will respect you more.
Plan your dates after normal dinner times.
Run separate tabs if possible.
Try to have the first date at your house or her house. I will spring for groceries to make dinner and the $1 movie rental that will be playing while I'm knee deep.
Here's a great way to test her: Tell her you forgot your wallet at home and check her reaction.
If you look poor she will never expect you to pay for everything. I learned that when I was poor.
Don't talk about money. It shows her that you have it and she'll probably think you enjoy spending it.
Tell her straight up [I]I'll buy this round, you buy next round[/I]. If she says no, then you only need to buy one drink. Your own.
Never, ever have the mindset [I]If I don't pay she will stop liking me[/I]. That's false. She will respect a man who stands up and lives by his own rules and ideals. Never give in.
What if the girl is poor?
If you enjoy her company go ahead and pay. Not a big deal at all. If she demands it then fuck her. I have never ran into a girl who was so poor she couldn't afford a couple drinks. Girls usually have money because guys buy their shit for them.
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by Guest » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:55 pm
[QUOTE=Bull Run;34933]
I can't tell you how many girls I dated that complained that their ex's never took them anywhere, they never went out, and how nice it is to be with someone that takes them places.
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You must have dated many of my ex's. I do not enjoy going out with the same woman more than a couple times. It gets downright tedious.
I can't tell you how many girls I dated that complained that their ex's never took them anywhere, they never went out, and how nice it is to be with someone that takes them places.
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You must have dated many of my ex's. I do not enjoy going out with the same woman more than a couple times. It gets downright tedious.
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by Guest » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:48 pm
[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;34940][B][I]It's just straight up socially accepted prostitution. [/I][/B]
As far as the income level goes........the girl I mentioned in my post earlier(Broke Betty) drives a $55,000 vehicle, lives in a $425,000 house, owns a $35,000 boat with a $600/month slip rental at Lake Lewisville, and has a $40,000 pool/hottub/patio in her back yard. And she can't afford to buy me a few crown and cokes once in a blue moon! All the time she had guy friends(chumps) that offer to come over and fix whatever she needed fixed for free.
The other girl.......aka Southern Charms......she knocks down $130,000/year, her company pays for her car/maintenance/gas and she is allowed to drive it anywhere for personal use. JWouldn't you like to have a free car to drive? This hooker is one that knows all the bartenders at all the high-end bars downtown and never pays for a drink because of her looks.
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There is a funny thing that happens when your income level rises. Your expenses usually rise just as fast or even faster.
Those girls might make a nice living but I bet they are in debt and spend everything they make and then some. That is why they can't afford a few drinks or dinner because they have already spent their monthly income before it even hits their bank accounts. Welcome to America.
If Broke Betty financed all of that she has to make at least 180k a year to afford it all. At that point making 180k with those expenses she is BROKE.
If I am wrong about them being broke then that is fucked up that they don't pay on occasion when you guys go out. I would stop taking them out and only fuck them. No more dating those girls. That is a direct testament to their character. Fuck Em
As far as the income level goes........the girl I mentioned in my post earlier(Broke Betty) drives a $55,000 vehicle, lives in a $425,000 house, owns a $35,000 boat with a $600/month slip rental at Lake Lewisville, and has a $40,000 pool/hottub/patio in her back yard. And she can't afford to buy me a few crown and cokes once in a blue moon! All the time she had guy friends(chumps) that offer to come over and fix whatever she needed fixed for free.
The other girl.......aka Southern Charms......she knocks down $130,000/year, her company pays for her car/maintenance/gas and she is allowed to drive it anywhere for personal use. JWouldn't you like to have a free car to drive? This hooker is one that knows all the bartenders at all the high-end bars downtown and never pays for a drink because of her looks.
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There is a funny thing that happens when your income level rises. Your expenses usually rise just as fast or even faster.
Those girls might make a nice living but I bet they are in debt and spend everything they make and then some. That is why they can't afford a few drinks or dinner because they have already spent their monthly income before it even hits their bank accounts. Welcome to America.
If Broke Betty financed all of that she has to make at least 180k a year to afford it all. At that point making 180k with those expenses she is BROKE.
If I am wrong about them being broke then that is fucked up that they don't pay on occasion when you guys go out. I would stop taking them out and only fuck them. No more dating those girls. That is a direct testament to their character. Fuck Em
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by Guest » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:49 pm
What about the $20 to $25 breakfast tax the next morning? I'm such a fucking nice guy (I should have my ass kicked) but there are women who just WON'T go home in the morning.
So over the last year or so, I've kinda devised a strategy. We wake up, I say "Let's go get some breakfast." Then, I'll mention, as we're headed out the door "Oh, I gotta run some errands so why don't you just follow me."
Breakfast was my suggestion, so I'm always paying that one. Hell, I always pay anyway. I honestly don't care too much. But I do like it if they volunteer to pay every now and then.
It is a strange catch 22. Women are attracted to income. If you hide it, you kinda lose some of the attraction points. But if you show it off, you kind of get into this routine where you are ALWAYS paying for everything.
I think, going forward, during the initial meeting, I'll try to incorporate a small piece of conversation, that more or less complains that other women I've dated in the past seemed like they were more attracted to my income than they were to me...or something along those lines...and that they NEVER offered to pay for anything.
So over the last year or so, I've kinda devised a strategy. We wake up, I say "Let's go get some breakfast." Then, I'll mention, as we're headed out the door "Oh, I gotta run some errands so why don't you just follow me."
Breakfast was my suggestion, so I'm always paying that one. Hell, I always pay anyway. I honestly don't care too much. But I do like it if they volunteer to pay every now and then.
It is a strange catch 22. Women are attracted to income. If you hide it, you kinda lose some of the attraction points. But if you show it off, you kind of get into this routine where you are ALWAYS paying for everything.
I think, going forward, during the initial meeting, I'll try to incorporate a small piece of conversation, that more or less complains that other women I've dated in the past seemed like they were more attracted to my income than they were to me...or something along those lines...and that they NEVER offered to pay for anything.
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by Guest » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:03 pm
[QUOTE=Alphagame;35019]What about the $20 to $25 breakfast tax the next morning? I'm such a fucking nice guy (I should have my ass kicked) but there are women who just WON'T go home in the morning.[/QUOTE]
A few ways to handle this one:
1) Go to her place
2) Tell her that you have shit to do
3) Roll out of bed and make breakfast for yourself, usually I eat something that girls would never want to eat like a protein shake or some left overs. Once, I steamed a bag of garlic seasoned green peas and ate them out of the fucking bag while standing up in my kitchen as she watched on.
In addition to trying to structure my time with women to avoid me buying food. I also routinely tell women on the first date that I don't buy girls dinner until I get to know them because I'm very particular about my diet, because it doesn't fit in my schedule (I workout in the evenings), and because I have high standards with girls and like to get to know them before I decide to date them. To which they always respond, well isn't this a date? To which I respond: No. We're just meeting for drinks and hanging out.
Most girls will give me shit about it a little bit by saying that I have weird, intricate rules with women. To which I reply: "Well, so far you're proving to be the exception..."
A few ways to handle this one:
1) Go to her place
2) Tell her that you have shit to do
3) Roll out of bed and make breakfast for yourself, usually I eat something that girls would never want to eat like a protein shake or some left overs. Once, I steamed a bag of garlic seasoned green peas and ate them out of the fucking bag while standing up in my kitchen as she watched on.
In addition to trying to structure my time with women to avoid me buying food. I also routinely tell women on the first date that I don't buy girls dinner until I get to know them because I'm very particular about my diet, because it doesn't fit in my schedule (I workout in the evenings), and because I have high standards with girls and like to get to know them before I decide to date them. To which they always respond, well isn't this a date? To which I respond: No. We're just meeting for drinks and hanging out.
Most girls will give me shit about it a little bit by saying that I have weird, intricate rules with women. To which I reply: "Well, so far you're proving to be the exception..."
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