Not Carrying a Condom

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I can totally see the OP's position on this and I can see how it works for him. It would probably work for a ton of guys as well. It takes all the pressure off of sex as he knows for certain it will not be happening this evening. Almost Zero girls have condoms on them or even at their house. The ones who do they are most likely left over from a past relationship.

I used to do the complete opposite of the OP. I would always intentionally bring a condom with me. When we would go out to the bar I would have one in my pocket. Even though we almost always took my car I would get one out and drop it in my pocket. I wanted the option of a SNL if it arose. Yes every night I would think it was possible. Therefore this puts you in the correct mindset. The mindset any PUA should have if they want to get good.

Another thing I would do is never ever delay sex. If I could take a girl out one time and sleep with her I would. The entire dynamic of any relationship changes after sex. We have discussed this before so I won't go into it.

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i see both sides of the argument.

i would say that the majority of PUA's goal is to get laid, and that is the outcome they desire from any night out.

having said that, if you vow to never have unprotected sex then by not bringing a condom, the option of sex is out of the picture. if sex is out of the picture, than the desired outcome (sex) will not happen.

therefore, you are entirely outcome independent (and not needy)...

i, on the other hand, am always open to the possibility of sex on any given night, thus am always prepared.

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My personal experience has been that if I carry condoms usually they are in my back pocket or sometimes front, usually though the girl somehow feels it and asks what it is.

She already knows what it is, the shape is unmistakable.

Usually they find it and I have to deflect all the bad connotations that come along with just "expecting" to get laid by carrying a condom.

Sans Condom for me.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;33343]
I'm speaking of the idea that this technique may provide some guys with a mental edge. Being completely, 100% unprepared for sex may provide some guys with a better ability to interact with a woman and not be outcome dependent.

I guess the thinking is as such, "if she doesn't like me that's fine, I can't fuck her tonight anyway."

I'm not sure he's trying to penalize himself by not bringing a condom, I just think that he's trying to take sex out of the equation thereby making it easier for him to run Game.
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That sounds like an excuse to not run quality game and not get the ultimate prize.

"She wouldn't let you fuck her huh?"
"Dude, I didn't wanna fuck her anyways. I didn't have a condom."
"Oh well, you'll get the next one friend."
"Well.....I won't have a condom then either...."

How do you run game easier when there is no possibility of sex? I believe that's called LJBF. It certainly isn't "Game" when there is zero possibility of sex.

I'm going to play some poker this weekend. We decided to eliminate all betting so no one feels bad about losing. You don't really lose if you never stood a chance of winning right?

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[QUOTE=Lion;33358]That sounds like an excuse to not run quality game and not get the ultimate prize.

"She wouldn't let you fuck her huh?"
"Dude, I didn't wanna fuck her anyways. I didn't have a condom."
"Oh well, you'll get the next one friend."
"Well.....I won't have a condom then either...."

How do you run game easier when there is no possibility of sex? I believe that's called LJBF. It certainly isn't "Game" when there is zero possibility of sex.

I'm going to play some poker this weekend. We decided to eliminate all betting so no one feels bad about losing. You don't really lose if you never stood a chance of winning right?[/QUOTE]


Yes, the ultimate prize is sex. But, he's already said that this is not meant to work for SNLs. You're working from the assumption that his goal is to get laid that night. In reality, he's trying to work up to getting laid. Maybe he needs more comfort or wants them to be in more of a frenzy. Maybe he's a pleasure delayer...I don't know.

Also, there is a demographic of guys in the community that want to run solid Game without the end goal of fucking as many women as possible. Some guys want to find a great girl. Some guys want to fuck as many girls as possible. For the latter, this is a stupid technique and your points are valid. For the former, I'm not sure this is such a bad way of thinking...strip out sex, find out who she is, then introduce sex later.

Finally, I don't think there's zero chance of sex ever. Just maybe that night, but not ever. I'm not sure that automatically puts you in the LJBF zone. You can run solid Game without actually fucking the chick the first time you meet her.

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The thing that keeps me out the LJBF, is that I still keep it sexual. Girls don't kiss, blow, get naked for guys who they're "just friends" with.

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However these posts are interesting, and the next time I have a chance to go out sarging for real (in two weeks or so) I'm going to try bringing a condom and seeing if it has any effect on my game.

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[QUOTE=Lion;33358]That sounds like an excuse to not run quality game and not get the ultimate prize.[/QUOTE]

I try to stay out of the mindset that sex is a prize that she awards to me. If anything, I try to have the mindset that sex is the prize that I award to her.

I suggest learning Ryker's Three Rules. Believe them and enforce them. That will solve the whole dilemma.

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[QUOTE=Rhody;33467]I try to stay out of the mindset that sex is a prize that she awards to me. If anything, I try to have the mindset that sex is the prize that I award to her.

I suggest learning Ryker's Three Rules. Believe them and enforce them. That will solve the whole dilemma.[/QUOTE]

You can give yourself the mindset, but it isn't true now is it? Othwerwise you wouldn't be interested in pickup. You got into it because you wanted to fuck hot girls.

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[QUOTE=Rhody;33467]I try to stay out of the mindset that sex is a prize that she awards to me. If anything, I try to have the mindset that sex is the prize that I award to her.QUOTE]

a few times i have had girls back at my place / or the other way around and told them point blank, "....im not going to sleep with you tonight". the first time i did this was b/c i felt i had a connection and was trying not make it a first night lay.
the plan backfired as it was something she knew she couldnt have.
she was all over it like fur on a wooly mammoth.
i caved hapily though most respect 4 her left when i came.