Called a woman cheap'o, liberating!

[Kit]

Okay, so I had taken this woman out and bought the drinks and food. It went against what I had been reading but old habbits are hard to break.

I was brought up to treat women with respect, pay for everything, open the door, blah blah blah...

This stuff worked two or three generations ago, but the fact is, women have become independent. They don't need us anymore. They have learned to control everything.

Unless we, as men, start pushing back we will all be nothing more than slaves to the female gender.

I told this woman next time we went out she was buying. She said I had it reversed. She's about my age (a generation older than some of you kids on here) and I know she wasn't going to budge so I just called her cheap'o and said see ya. I know there are better, hotter women out there and I don't need her and that is liberating.

I wish I knew how to play it better, but just refusing is a start for me.

[isosceles cheese]

awesome. Seriously, you're taking this shit head on.

[Bitches]

Love it! Just don't make the same mistake with the new broads. I was brought up the same way, but its a brand new game out there. At one point it was all about Boxing, now its MMA.

[Tribulus1000]

Seems a little reactive to me but like you said, its a start.

If shit tests existed, that would be one.

I've been in that situation where the girl is refusing to contribute anything to the date or pay for anything. She acted like someone owed her something and she would not have it any other way.

Its a tough call but I too walked away.

I don't wanna be the guy who takes her out and spends money and so she doesn't have to feel lonely or stay at home on the weekends with her cats.

But I believe that's how alot of girls think.

And that's why we study attraction. Because the guy who spends money entertaining them is not the guy we want to be.

Probably the only thing to do when they don't contribute would be to say "Ok next date, we're going to my house to watch movies."
And then proceed to seduce them. Getting in a battle about who pays/contributes is probably counterproductive.

[Lion]

I never take a woman out to dinner if I don't know her. If it's our first "date" we have 3 options. 1)My place 2)Her place 3)Drinks and we both split the tab and then we go back to my place or her place afterward to commence the sexin'.

Dinner is such a waste of a night. It's boring, the food makes you feel like shit, and you have that awkward "ok, you owe me such and such" conversation.

[Kit]

I never take a woman out to dinner if I don't know her. If it's our first "date" we have 3 options. 1)My place 2)Her place 3)Drinks and we both split the tab and then we go back to my place or her place afterward to commence the sexin'.

Hahah, this cracked me up, but maybe it's just because I'm on a high at the moment.

[Alphagame]

I make a ton of money so I don't mind paying for shit, but one thing I never do is get seated at a table. I always walk over to the restaurant bar and order food & drinks there.

Sitting at a table in a restaurant just has that "date" feel to it, which leads to princess syndrome.

I love it when they try to give me dating advice after we've been together a while and sex many times. "Well, first of all, there is no sitting at the bar when you take a girl out on a date." What she doesn't realize is, she fucked me and it worked on her.

Another thing I'm guilty of, I set a first date and if she hasn't flaked by late afternoon, I call and get her on the phone. At that point, I say "Hey, listen, I have GOT to get into the gym. I've only made it in 1 time this week, my goal is 4X per week and I just can't skip today. The way things are going now, it's looking like I won't be getting out until around 8:30 or 9. I'll call you when I get out of the gym and we'll go have some fun. Cool?"

This little move also helps keep princess syndrome from happening. That's right bitch. You sit around doing nothing while you wait for me to finish something more important than you.

[Twitchy]

I constantly see this negative attitude about buying stuff for women and the debate goes round and round about whether you should. Every time it comes up, I kind of chuckle to myself.

The question shouldn't be whether you bought something for a woman, it should be the reason behind it. It's about calibration - if you are buying dinner/drinks for a woman because you are trying to get something from her or she is expecting it, you are wrong. If you are doing it because you genuinely enjoy her time and wanted to get a drink or lunch anyway, then it is operfectly OK. Men are normally supposed to be the provider and chivalry is NOT dead, or at least shouldn't be.

Now, I agree that going to dinner for a first date is a bad idea but not because you have the dilema of having to pay or not. It is a bad idea because:
- it is what every guy does
- dinner can drag out and be boring
- there is a lot of stress of having to carry a conversation
- unless you plan ahead, there is a table between the two of you which acts as a physical and psychological barrier

That being said, taking a girl out to lunch, meeting her for happy hour, buying her a drink at the bar AFTER you have been talking to her and truly qualified her are all normal things to do. It doesn't make you less of a man or less attractive to her if you drop a bit of money on her.

However, if you are doing it to impress her or "buy her time" or she is being a princess and expecting it, then you are making a mistake.

I think a lot of the ideas running around the community about spending money on women are simply to get newbies over their habit of "buying" a woman's time. I think most newbies take this idea too far to the extreme the other way. It's too easy to get this "I am never spending a dime on a woman" attitude and it will do nothing but hurt you with women. You will come off as cheap and selfish

Any girl that truly enjoys spending time with you and isn't in it for the freebie will normally either offer to pay for at least her half or will give you a sincere thank you. When this happens, I still pay and then, if I had a good time and would like to see her again, just tell her "you can treat next time" or "you can pick up desert". It is the Principle of Reciprocity.

If I am ever in doubt about whether I should be paying or not, I normally make a determination by considering whether I would be buying if it was a buddy of mine. I regularly buy my friends drinks or lunch and expect them to return the favor later. However, I normally split the tab for dinner if I go out with the guys.

[Kit]

Twitchy,

I agree with almost every word you said and usually act in a similar fashion; however women have come to take advantage of this. They don't need us as providers anymore and often leave men (in marriage) that have never hurt them in any way. They leave because our laws enable them to leave. They collect half of everything, sometimes even payments over a period of time to support a lifestyle, all kinds of crap. It happened to my brother who was extremely good to his wife. They leave so they can go out and date and have fun or find a "better" man now that they feel they have financial security. This is a little bit off topic, but my point is that our society has given all power to women, baby making (power from birth), equal status and income ability and most any law involving divorces or child custody favors a woman.

They use this power abusively often without being conscious of it. Of course they want chivalry. It benefits them. They are being bread to take, take and take more and not give anything back more than sex. They think if they are putting out that's enough and it's not for me. Why? Because at any moment they can't take that away and everything thing else and all they ever truly invested was that and time.

Times have change and in some ways chivalry is dead. There are few exceptions to this and those women should be snatched up and married.

Our society has destroyed the family structure and the roles of men and women.

It's a new age and I'm not going to pay for a woman's dinner just because she is a woman. I have had women tell me that their female friends love internet dating because they can get free dinners almost any night of the week they want it.

I forget which master PUA says it, but don’t pay for anything until they are fucking you. This seems a little cold, but is it really or are we just conditioned to believe that? I have paid for a hell of a lot of dinners and then didn’t even get another date and never slept with them.

[web_hand]

First of all pleasure meeting you today Kit as well as Grimster(spelling?)

Something that I think is a good day2 and probably a good first step to stop paying for shit is to go to a bar and casually (and of course confidently) say "I'll get the first round, you get the next."

Now if there is someone out there that is so deeply programmed that even this is uncomfortable, just do it anyway and you'll be comfortable eventually (even if you're 100% sure it will come out weak and awkward the first couple times)