LR: HB:exotic; day2; guess its possible to get out of LJBF

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LR: HB:exotic; day2; guess its possible to get out of LJBF

Postby relax » Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:12 pm

Hey guys, I thought I'd through out an LR from a few weeks back. I'm still rusty and new so I'm getting there. Hopefully I can look back at this post in a few years and see how much I've developed.

EDIT: :shock: Wow, I hadn't realized how much I'd typed. This is like a book. I have cliff notes at the end though. Also I have an FR about some solo sarging night game I did last week. But I'll write it better than this and keep it shorter. 8)

So I went to a local college to sign up for classes. When I was standing in line, I decided to do a little sarging.

First was HB:asian. I opened with "which piercing would look good on me: eyebrow or ear?" She surveyed my face and told me that an eyebrow piercing would look great. I started fluffing with her for a bit and commented on her piercings and tattoos. I didn't know if I should neg her or not but I did anyway saying something along the lines of "yeah my cousin got a tattoo like that for her 15th birthday, she got in big trouble with her parents". She raised both her eyebrows and although I thought it would get uncomfortable, it actually got pretty cool after that. We started joking around about the classes she's taking and about me getting a prince john. By this time we'd left the line and been sitting down for a while. I think I was a surprised at how well this was going so I ejected early saying "hey this was pretty cool, but I have to head out in a bit.. are you free this friday?" and she said “no, but saturday yes”, so I said cool and took the number.

Now to HB:exotic. I was pretty stoked about the number and I was on my way out. Then, in front of me walking up the stairs was HB:exotic wearing all white and holding a registration paper. I figured why not try for 2? I opened situationally with "Hey what classes did you sign up for?" she said swimming and I started busting her for not knowing how to swim. She was laughing a lot and I felt a pretty cool connection. By the time I realized that I needed to move to A3, I realized that we were out in the parking lot and I said "Well, it was nice seeing you, my car's that way, but let's hang out soon" and she said "hm... well only as friends". I was a bit blown away and made a mental note not to # close so quickly in the future. I said “Sure“, and we exchanged numbers. After we did, I said, “well this conversation was pretty good and I still have 15 minutes before I have to leave, let's talk for a little bit more". She agreed.

We went into the science building, and I started running some DHV material for practice, (since I'm already in friend’s zone). I told her a few cool and funny stories, one about my roommate burning down our apartment by forgetting to put water in ramen noodles and how I had to save the apartment from destruction. I then did the ring finger routine so I could kino escalate. Soon after, I jumped into comfort, turns out that we had a lot in common including places we've traveled and a few other things...

I figure we'd change location, so I said "I know where the swimming pool you'll be in for your class is. Do you?" she said no but she wanted to see it. So I said I’ll take you. I told her it was a bit far and she suggested her car. We got in and she was playing around pretending she didn't know how to drive. It almost gave me a heart attack. She also mentioned that she saw me talking to HB:Asian and asked if i usually go to colleges to pick up chicks. I thought about it and said "well if i wanted to pick up chicks, i'd go to a farm". she laughed, i guess i passed.

Got to the swimming pool, gave her a funny tour. Then i suggested coffee. We went to Starbucks and had a good time there that included meeting a cool european guy who entertained us with stories and kept saying we looked like the most comfortable couple he's ever seen. I still kept busting on her though. Somehow, after the european guy left, we got to talking about apartments and how different types of people have their things all over the place, some messy and some neat. I was still busting on her and I think she couldn't take it and said "listen I have a really clean apartment, I can prove it!" I took her up on her bet ;)

Got to her apartment, it was one of those really small studio flats and it was decent. I surveyed the place and I said "not bad hm..." and sat on the bed, she sat down too next to me. I started deep rapport with good amounts of kino. I went for the kiss close and..


got the cheek instead.

It's all good though. I made sure to get the comfort back and get rid of any of that uncomfortable atmosphere. We started busting on each other again like we'd been "friends" for a long time. After half an hour, I said I had to go and she dropped me back to the college. On the way there, we saw this turtle on the side of the road and picked it up and put it near a small lake place that was nearby.

She called me the next day and we started talking again. It was going on for half an hour and I said I don't have any minutes, why don't i come over and finish the conversation. she said sure. i went over, i'd bought a dvd but we didn't really watch the dvd. I started throwing out some story i found on craigslist and she was laughing her ass off. Comfort after that. I tried for the kiss and this time got it.

We fucked twice but she was really tight. and she gives shitty bj's but i can try to get her to work on that. I've been with her 3 times since, and things have been much better. only one problem though... i think she's trying to get it out of fuckbuddy to bf/gf...


Interesting huh? from "only as a friend" -> fb -> bf/gf. Also HB:asian flaked on me and I deleted her number since it would be no use anyway.

Cliff notes:

HBAsian: opinion opener, fluff, bust/neg, fluff, bust, #close
HBExotic: opened, busting, fluff, #close (friends only), venue change, DHV, kino esc., comfort, venue change, busting, comfort, venue change, kiss (rejected), bust. day2, bust, comfort (long time) kiss, F CLOSE! :)
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Postby Welsh_Dragon » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:05 pm

Nice one mate. I like how you were able to build a connection so quickly with these girls. This is pretty unusual in my experience with new guys.

My thoughts below (I'm in a posting mood today).

- Just becasuse a girl says she wants to hang out "only as friends" don't believe it. Over time you will learn to spot this bullshit line and just ignore it. Actually it's an IOI.

- Nice situational openers. These are typically the best and easiest and they require you to be quick witted and think on your feet (good traits to develop in life). I encourage you to continue with these but also make note of good situational openers which may be adapted to many uses.

E.g. my "typical Dallas girl" opener. This has been adapted to quite a few US cities. "typical Cincinnati girl" and "typical Philadelphia girl" worked pretty well. Also saying I live in Dallas and talking about the "typical Dallas girl" was another great way to turn it around on them. As a routine in set or isolation it works great too. "All I can find in this town are typical Dallas girls". "Too bad you're probably just another typical Dallas girl". Dallas girls indeed live up to their reputation ;)

- Don't worry about the #close. Game played correctly almost always ends in fclose or her number closing whichever comes first. See #close as an IOI only. If you are having to #close see that as a problem. In your case don't even worry about it until it becomes part of reality (i.e. she or you are leaving and you haven't fucked yet).

- Key to your success in my opinion was the multiple venue changes. This builds a lot of comfort - well done. Even stupid venue changes like to show her the swimming pool are great for game. This is where game sometimes gets annoying from a man's perspective (well mine anyway).

- European guys are always cool :) Well maybe except the French. And the Germans. (j/k)

- Her kiss cheek turn is classic LMR. Rinse and repeat. Back to the last stage and escalate again. DiCarlo Escalation ladder. Ever heard of it? If not check it out.

Again well done mate. Especially if you read all my bullshit.

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Postby Kraven » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:30 pm

Excellent LR - Turtle Save was pretty smooth, will try adding it to my routine stack 8)
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Postby relax » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:41 pm

Hey guys, thanks for the kind words. I'm glad I found this place so that I can actually get some advice :D

Kraven wrote:Excellent LR - Turtle Save was pretty smooth, will try adding it to my routine stack 8)

Kraven - yeah the turtle save is pretty cool huh? The thing is, I'm sure that there's a way to make this story better. When I picked the turtle up, it just went back into its shell and we were surprised at how far away it came from the closest body of water. But other than that, I'm sure there's a way to spice this up! Any suggestions/additions? :)


Welsh_Dragon wrote:My thoughts below (I'm in a posting mood today).

Welsh_Dragon - I'm glad you're in a posting mood hah! I'm glad I was too. I feel good that I'm passionate about this. I keep reading that the key to this game is practice and passion. Can't have one without the other huh? I really liked your advice and I made sure to internalize it. I have one or two questions:

- Nice situational openers. These are typically the best and easiest and they require you to be quick witted and think on your feet (good traits to develop in life). I encourage you to continue with these but also make note of good situational openers which may be adapted to many uses.


Yeah I was glad I tried the situational opener. I was thinking about situational openers (bored at work) and I could only come up with two ways to go with situational openers: I think if I open with something low key like that, 1) I can quickly go straight into DHV without having to dwell on opinion opener responses OR 2) with the situational, now that I have her attention, I can run an opinion opener and then transition into DHV.

The thing is... I'm going to do night game solo tomorrow and I don't know if the situational openers will work or not in night game. I'm wondering how to open without opinion openers in night game. I really liked the typical dallas girl opener you used, but can I just go up to a random group of hb's and say that? Or would I open with something else and use that to get them to qualify themselves? I want to be ready for tomorrow, but I'm debating about club openers...

By the way, heh... now I've added LJBF, I have a bf, kiss rejects all to my IOI mental note hahah.

Welsh_Dragon wrote:Again well done mate. Especially if you read all my bullshit.
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(And yes, european guys are the greatest ;) especially those that have time to give great constructive criticism to noobs like me )
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Postby Welsh_Dragon » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:47 am

relax wrote:Yeah I was glad I tried the situational opener. I was thinking about situational openers (bored at work) and I could only come up with two ways to go with situational openers: I think if I open with something low key like that, 1) I can quickly go straight into DHV without having to dwell on opinion opener responses OR 2) with the situational, now that I have her attention, I can run an opinion opener and then transition into DHV.


I don't know the right answer for you but I can tell you what I have found works for me.

I observe sets always before I go too close. I vibe with the room, build positive energy and decipher dynamics of each group. I have gotten pretty good at this.

If I have a wing I go and stand in close proximity to the target set but with my back turned usually. Then vibe with my buddy and act as if they don't even exist. If I don't have a wing I open closeby highest value sets and pivot or just stand by target set on my own.

The girls in the group will identlfy my not so subtle intrusion into their space but my frame will settle them (don't try this with a very lame wing). Game starts right now. They will already be giving off signals. I can hear parts of their conversation. I show active disinterest and ambivolence to my "approach". If I see IOIs it is now essentially a warm approach. if they don't want me there they will let me know without words needing to be exchanged. Situationally I may (over shoulder) comment or laugh at a joke one of their set made or at one of them. Or make a comment on how Dallas is so weird. Whatever.

relax wrote:The thing is... I'm going to do night game solo tomorrow and I don't know if the situational openers will work or not in night game. I'm wondering how to open without opinion openers in night game. I really liked the typical dallas girl opener you used, but can I just go up to a random group of hb's and say that? Or would I open with something else and use that to get them to qualify themselves? I want to be ready for tomorrow, but I'm debating about club openers...


You can just go up to a random set yes. I like the above proximity or pivot open better these days but I used to just walk up quite a bit. It works but with less success rate. Probably with my stronger frame (practice) it would work better now.

This stuff is not easy to explain on message boards. If I could show you in person it would be clearer. There is a lot to it. Mostly learning to read people and BL. And going out so much you are comfortable in that shit ass environment designed to disorientate.
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