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[Mojo]

Captain Jack,

Sorry if you took my post personally. I was simply pointing out to be wary of the cult of personalities created in the community. Of course you have skill otherwise you would not be an instructor, or the 3rd best PUA in the world.

M

[Welsh_Dragon]

I personally think it's great to have the likes of CJ posting here. We need to exchange ideas with the top guys. That is a major point of a lair in my opinion.

[realdice]

I personally think it's great to have the likes of CJ posting here. We need to exchange ideas with the top guys. That is a major point of a lair in my opinion.

I agree.

I would love to go to a seminar with all the top guys teaching before we go sarge. It would bring this community closer and really help out some of the new guys.

[Twitchy]

I am not speaking for Capt Jack or any of the other well known PUA names but this board would probably have more involvement from the MPUAs if it was more welcoming to them......

In the last couple of months I have read negative posts about APB, Sinn, Capt Jack and The Mystery Method instructors in general.

I look at it from my perspective. I have a demanding job, I have a lot of friends that I have trouble keeping up with, I am dating several girls which takes a large part of my time, I like to read, I like to travel, I like to work out and have a few other hobbies, I like to post on my blog and I like to go out and hit on girls to keep my skills sharp. I am very busy and don't have much time for myself let alone anyone else.

I like to help others and share ideas with guys in the community but would not be inclined to do so if someone started disparaging me on a message board.

Other than a sense of giving back to the community or potentially making some money (if they charge for their time or sell products), there isn't much incentive for somebody who has invested years in getting his game together to help someone just getting started. They already have all of the friends/wings they need and that person is not going to learn much from a message board like this.

If they read negative things about themselves, it will further degrade any incentive for them to be involved which is sad because the one thing this board desperately needs more of is experienced PUAs.

Just my two cents.

[Mojo]

Other than a sense of giving back to the community or potentially making some money (if they charge for their time or sell products), there isn't much incentive for somebody who has invested years in getting his game together to help someone just getting started. They already have all of the friends/wings they need and that person is not going to learn much from a message board like this.

I agree there isn’t much incentive for a guy who has spent years mastering the skills to help those getting started. They graduate and move on. That is why there are groups such as this, which existed before the advent of pu-commercialism (yeah, I know, hard to believe). The purpose of these groups is to help guys improve. Bootcamps arrived later.

Again, here is my point:

Everyone has their off nights including Sin, Mystery, Tyler Durden, Juggler, even me, Mojo (I know hard to believe ). As I had mention, you hear about these legendary exploits of some, and then see them in-field expecting them to be surrounded by a herd of swooning HBs 9 or 10s. And they are not. Take all that you read on fastseduction.com, The Game, here, where ever, with a sizable grain of salt. The best way to become good is to practice in field, especially if you have some natural friends. I would prefer to sarge with a natural than a mPUA any day or night! Being able to use your subconcious is key. Becoming a natural is the goal of learning all of this. Internize this. Over analyzing hurts your game.

My point is not to believe everything you read out there. Everything I have stated in this report is the truth. The truth may bother some.

[Vector]

Everything I have stated in this report is the truth. The truth may bother some.

Let's not blur fact and opinion. Given a choice between learning from a master practitioner or a master trainer (assuming they were distinct), I'd prefer a master trainer. I have been through training and I have been around naturals and I can tell you which I gained more from.

But everyone is entitled to their preference or opinion and I respect yours.

Everyone has their own style of learning. The best for one person might not work at all for another person. Before my bootcamp, practice taught me nothing other than that the whole experience is very unpleasant. But that doesn't mean I think a bootcamp is the right course for everyone.

But enough about that, I think Twitchy's point is that people with good skills (whether professional or not) contribute only out of generosity, because they don't get much in return. It does happen, and this generosity is, in my opinion, a major source of value for this forum. If you bash someone, then any generosity they might have had will evaporate. I agree we need more people who can answer questions with experience instead of newbies recycling the things they have read.

[Westfall]

We need to exchange ideas with the top guys.

I'm already posting here....

Seriously though, it is important, IMO to help others. All of the advances in human civilization have been because people help others--these interactions can be symbotic in nature...and in fact the best ones are. Helping others can be a selfish action, if for no other reason than the ego boost of helping someone learn the skills we have mastered.

CJ, who I've never met but seems like he's a good guy, or other Pua gurus have an interest in helping new PUAs, as doing so will help further his reputation & his business. This is good, we should all want them to do well, but we should make sure that our interactions between PUAs of all skills...are benificial to them if we want such interactions to continue. Bashing someone is almost never benifical and doing so would, obviously the bashed person less likely to continue further interactions...

My personal opinion is that a few "gurus" seek to exploit lairs, but certainly not all.

Who is John Galt?

WF

[Finesse]

I agree. Truth is in the eye of the believer.

To you that color is maroon, to someone else who has bad eyes or is color blind its black.

What one person perceives to be truth is opinion to someone else, and although I respect you as a person, I don't agree with what truth is.

I wasn't there. I don't know what went down, with anything, so therefore I don't and shouldn't have an opinion on any matter.

What I do have an opinion on is my right to decide for myself what I hold to be "truth" and from what I can see from the boards the statement made by Twitchy, "In the last couple of months I have read negative posts about APB, Sinn, Capt Jack..., seems to be pretty accurate.

I've never met either 3 of these people, but I would like to, and when I do I would rather not be inundated with thoughts from posts that tell me they are shiesty, rude, beligerent, hateful, insert any other thing that is said about them here.

As far as my thoughts on whether or not they would help the community should we be inviting, they very well could help the community, but there has to be something in it for them.

[Twitchy]

With the exception of APB and my usual wing, I do not personally know anyone who has a better social circle filled with hot women than me.

I personally do not know of anyone who consistently has more MLTRs than me.

And because of my MLTRs, I personally do not know of anyone who gets laid more than me. I regularly sleep with two women a day (once in the morning, once at night) and have several times slept with 4 different women on the same day (morning, lunch, after happy hour and night).

Does this make me a top 5 PUA? No. It just means I go through a lot of condoms and get tested for STDs often. And I rarely have free time.

Have any of you ever used a “heart melter” routine? Done Strawberry Fields? Said things like “if we were alone, I would throw you down on this table and have my way with you”. If so, you are using Capt Jack’s material.

He has been in the community a long time, is trained in hypnosis, trained in NLP and contributed a lot to the community including providing material to Magic Bullets.

Why he may not have himself surrounded by 9s and 10s every night, he has more consistent SNLs than anyone I know which is what he goes for. He is also very good at instructing others.

All that being said, I think he still underestimates himself and have told him so. He has blogged about it.

Sinn is still very young and yet his full time job is training other guys on how to be a PUA. Again, tt’s his full-time job. He does this weekend after weekend for a living. I have seen him pull night after night. I watched him a few weeks back have a hot hostess giggling and flirting with him in a matter of seconds. He also just pulled a girl out from under her boyfriend who was the general manager of the bar he was at and who was buying Sinn drinks. How many guys can do that? And then be able to teach other guys to do it? Not many.

There are so many categories to Pick Up – SNL, LTRS, Social circle, three-somes, day game, night game, internet game. Who is to say who is the best all around MPUA? I can’t because I haven’t met most of them.

What I do know is that I get a lot of private messages asking me for pick up advice. I am more than happy to answer any and all questions to the best of my ability. However, a lot of what I do I have internalized. Could I teach it? Yeah, probably, but I would have to sit down, analyze it and create a method for it. Who has time for that? Not me. But Capt Jack, Sinn and APB have made the time to do just that. And they all live locally in Dallas.

Mojo, I appreciate all that you have done in marketing the board and keeping it commercial free. It allows guys to learn without being pressured to blow their savings or given the hard sell. However, there are a lot of junior guys on here who are repeatedly just regurgitating the latest thing they have read. Sometimes I laugh and shake my head at some of the ideas tossed around. But then I remember it wasn’t long ago that I was there as a newbie AFC too.

Without a boot camp or some guidance, it can be a long, slow process to become good.

It is sad that we don’t have more involvement from the local expertise. All I am saying is that if we make the board a more welcoming place vs. disparaging these guys, we might see more of their generosity.

[Mojo]

Well said Twitchy. I wish some of the local expertise would participate with forum discussion, too. A while ago, I did ask you to relay a message to CJ that he was welcome to speak to the group. What ever happened to that? I urged APB to post, mentioning it would be a way to help the new guys while advertising his skills. He said he didn’t have time. The board has been here for two years without much involvement of the local expertise except to promote their businesses.

I welcome any of the local gurus to participate.

M


P.S. Strawberry Fields was originally by Maniac High. I think credit is owed to CJ for making some alterations to the routine.