HJR: Cop interrupts my almost Fclose. Gurus have off nites 2

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HJR: Cop interrupts my almost Fclose. Gurus have off nites 2

Postby Mojo » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:06 pm

After a while, reading loads of legendary exploits of master gurus, an image of pua invincibility is incarnated. Those of us that have been in the community for a while have had a chance to observe many of these legends in-field and realize that we all have our off nights. The other night I saw a couple of MM instructors.

Some may not like what I have to say, but fuck it; I’m not as heavily invested in the community as some. And I have a habit of reporting the reality of what hides behind this façade of pua invincibility built from handpicked exploit strewn across cyber space. View reality as it is, not as you would wish it to be. It is important not to put any personas on a PUA pedestal. Advice, many spout out. This advice, many soak in. Ultimately, you must go out and see what works best for you. See which wingman create the synergy you need. Which women you want. Which life to live.

On to the report…

After the initial meet up, we split into groups. Five of us go to a local Addison bar soon joined by a 6th, NoBodyUKnow. I find the guys at a table. Large-son gets IC and AI from a Hbblonde who is part of a 2-set. I bring him over, introduce him to an HB, and leave. He holds the set quite well for a bit, and then we head out in back. As is the modus operandi of PUAs, we talk shop. I spy another two set perfect for a warm up. I tell the guys “let’s just ask these ladies”. I say it in order for the ladies to hear me so they feel the spontaneity of the situation. I open with what we were talking about: women.

Mojo: We were just talking. And you, being women, I thought would be good to ask.

With open body language and warm smiles, it was apparent they like the attention. I proceed.

Mojo: What one thing would a guy say to you that would make you decide that this was a guy you wanted to get to know.
HB1: Personality. Personality is important.
Mojo: Personality? I asked what one thing would a guy SAY that would make him of interest.
HB2: Doesn’t matter what he would say, there is no one pick-up line that works.
HB1: Yeah, it should be like this, how we are all talking now, just like this.
Mojo: Ok, fuck it. (HBs laugh)
Mojo: What one thing would a guy to you to fuck things up.
HB’s laugh and say: there are sooo many things.
Mojo: like what?
HB’s: Blah Blah Blah

I eject as to let the other 2 guys run this set. I go back inside and meet up with NobodyUKnow who is just one cool cat. Always dashingly dressed, easy to talk to, his conversation never fail to captivate. We head to the bar where we are just in time to grab a seat of a couple that was just living. We take positions and immediately open a one set which turns into a 3 set after her friends arrive. We pawn this 3 set to open a hotter two our right. Set goes well. I leave to take a quick restroom break to come back and see a couple of guys intruding. We move them outside, away from the guys. One HB is married, the other has a BF. I isolate the married Brazilian HB in a corner where we fluff talk. She is totally into me. Mucho kino and a number close later, we both decide to take a bathroom trip. Business done, I come out to see NobodyUKnow. We leave Brazilian HB in the bathroom to continue the hunt. Captian Jack rolls up. I have never seen CJ really in action. I want to learn.

Mojo: I have no game. Teach me. I want to see you in action.
CJ: Well, I only open 1 or 2 sets a night. Just waiting for the right position.

I understand CJ unwillingness to perform. When I am out with some new guys, sometimes there is a pressure to perform. I don’t like to feel pressured so I do not perform. Understandable. Indeed, that is one of the reasons I like to say “I have no game”. Lessens expectations. And maybe he does not to seem supplicating by following my request. Who knows. I don’t have time to wait and see him find the right position. NobodyUKnow and I continue the hunt.

We pass the bar and I spy Sin, gaming a not so hot HB. Maybe a 5.5. I figure it is just a warm up set. We all need those occasionally. In the distance a hot Eskimo I had picked up just a couple of weeks before. She is with a friend and an AFC. NobodyUKnow opens her friend as I talk to HBEskimo. We naturally assume body language closing off the AFC’s access to the group, instantly blowing him out. He walks away. I isolate Eskimo HB to the patio where we k-close as NobodyUKnow masterfully occupies her friend. She is a bit shy and the spot is not as isolated as I would like. We rejoin the group where Brazilian HB stops by to tell me that her friend’s BF arrive and she was going to take her friend home, but asked me if I would be there long as she wanted to come back to see me. I introduce Eskimo HB to Brazilian HB before she leaves to take her friend home. NobodyUKnow still has her friend captivated. Mucho kudos to NobodyUKnow who occupied her friend - I appreciated that. I take Eskimo HB hand and lead to a more isolated kiss location outside of the venue. As we do a quick kiss, I figure, fuck it, and lead her to my car where we can really, um, well, oh fuck it.

Arriving back in the bar, I leave Eskimo HB with her friends. The AFC guy gives me a “Where the fuck were you two” look. I see Sin gaming the same HB5.5. Guess he really needs to warm up. I find NoBodyUKnow talking to Brazilian HB. Brazilian HB leaves to watch the band. NoBodyUKnow suggests we flip for her. Nu uh. She’s mine :) We talk about Sin’s girl. NoBodyUKnow says he was probably having an off night. And he is right. Everyone has their off nights including Sin, Mystery, Tyler Durden, Juggler, even me, Mojo (I know hard to believe ;) ). As I had mention, you hear about these legendary exploits of some, and then see them in-field expecting them to be surrounded by a herd of swooning HBs 9 or 10s. And they are not. Take all that you read on fastseduction.com, The Game, here, where ever, with a sizable grain of salt. The best way to become good is to practice in field, especially if you have some natural friends. I would prefer to sarge with a natural than a mPUA any day or night! Being able to use your subconcious is key. Becoming a natural is the goal of learning all of this. Internize this. Over analyzing hurts your game. A good book to read on how the subconcious works in this regards is "Blink".

Some of the pua's out there that teach are good, especially the ones that were bit of a natural in the first place. And some "gurus" out there that teach should not be teaching. I have met some notable pua's and have seem them in action. To my disappointment, I was better than them. Quite humbling experience for I am not nearly as good as my natural friends. So it is best to befriend naturals instead of paying $1000.00 plus for workshops.

Ok, I digress. Back to the report...

We go on the hunt. Brazilian HB calls me but I can’t hear word she is saying. I hang up. I notice she had already tried to call me a couple of times.

Fresh air! We go outside and NoBodyUKnow opens an HB. NoBodyUKnow asks her to entertain him. She replies she wants to be entertained. No one is entertaining. Oh fuck it, I decide to entertain. I ask her for a cigarette so I may do a magic trick. *POOF* it disappears. Then I pull it out from behind my ear. Ohhh. Ahhhh. She says she likes though apparently not enough as she ignores us to talk to two friends that appear. How rude. I don’t do magic tricks just for anyone ;) As NoBodyUKnow goes back in I receive a call from Brazilian HB who is on the opposite side of the bar. “Where are you?”, she asks in that sexy Brazilian accent. I have her come to where I am where we Fluff talk until the bar closes. During the talk she asks why am I with her. I can get any girl in the bar. Sometimes you have to be careful and not to be too smooth. DHV too much and you might blow yourself out especially with LSE girls as she was.

We hop into my car where I suggest we should continue this conversation. I use my tried and true “There is this lake near my condo. It would be a nice place to continue our talk”. She suggests going to a man-made lake just down the road. Not what I wanted though a venue change could only help. We arrive and step out of my car.

Brazilian HB: You’re not going to kill me
Mojo: No... Not yet… I wanta have some fun first. *mischievous smile*

We fool around. Both of us getting turned on. Take her back to her car where we stay in my car and fool around. She asks if I have a condom – of course I do. Nice.

1) Onward to sex location – which is in the back seat.
2) Condom ready
3) Randiness through the roof
4) Bright light beam shining in… WTF

This better be a fucking UFO dammit. I look out to see a smiling peeping-Tom cop stepping out of his patrol car. He looks just like Enos, your know, from the Dukes of Hazzard. I . . . shit . . . you . . . not.

So, as I get out of the back seat, imagine this guy…

Image

…goofy smile and all, strolling up to say:

Enos: Maam, you alright in there. Are you a consenting adult?
Brazilian HB: Yes, officer, I am.
Enos: Just want to make sure you are a . . . *looking in at the free peep show*
Brazilian HB: consenting adult. Yes I am a consenting adult.

It was obvious Enos was a bit more interested in a peep than to protect and serve. Peeping Tom Enos leaves. Back to business.

Her hand all over me, my mini Mojo swelling to her touch. It’s on. It’s nice. It’s another light beam beaming in. OMFG! I look out half expectantly to see Rosco P Coltrane. One of the bouncers from the bar shines his flashlight, waitress standing by his side. I wave at them friendly. Oh, the humanity.

Unable to extract her to a more secure sex location (namely my condo) and with a ready audience outside enjoying the show, I decide let this masseuse (she is a certified masseuse. Oh joy.) give me a happy ending.

In the morning I find her cell phone in the back seat of my car, which had fallen out of her pocket from the night before. Met her at Starbucks to get it back to her. Set up a day two for Monday. Run the ring routine. It has been agreed this will be an FB relationship.

Cheerio,

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Postby phoenix_rising » Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:13 pm

Sounds like an interesting and insightful night.

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Postby Twitchy » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:01 pm

Good FR! Sounds like you had a fun night.

Yes, everyone, including MPUAs, have off nights. As you know, there is no magic list that if you say ABC and do XYZ, you will get the girl. And if you are tired, not feeling well, etc., your game WILL suffer. Even if you are a MPUA.

Regarding specifically your comments about CJ and Sinn. Neither of them like the attention they get from community guys in general because it makes them feel like a dancing monkey - "Go open a set while I watch you and critique you".....they have to do this at boot camps, they don't like to do it when they are not working. If a bar has too many PUAs, they will often times leave so they don't get surrounded by guys messing up their game or watching their every move. This is the main reason they don't do bootcamps in Dallas so that they can seperate work from pleasure.

Did Sinn's "HB5.5" have big boobs? If so, she isn't a 5.5 for him. She will be ranked higher. He has a self admitted boob fetish.

I was there late Friday night and there wasn't much talent. Sinn and CJ had left the bar, bounced around and eventually came back hoping that things would have picked up. Rather than go home empty handed, they decided to lower their standards for the night. My sweetie played pivot for Sinn and got him into a 3 set of girls all with large breasts showing lots of cleavage. He picked one and did his thing.

Also, Capt Jack and Sinn are both working on their Same Night Lay game so they will act accordingly. Capt Jack has scored some hotties and also admittedly taken home some ugs. Even his most recent post on his blog is about "dumpster diving". http://captainjackpua.blogspot.com Its all about the SNL for them right now.

We all have our desires and things that turn us on in women....Capt Jack normally likes "funusuals" with a little bit of meat on them, Sinn is a sucka for boobs, I have a bit of Yellow Fever......what you call a 10, I may call an 8 and vica versa.

For example, I normally don't get excited at all about blondes with fake breasts. I have dated my fair share of them but am always on the look out for petite, dark hair, dark skinned girls. Love em! An average looking Asian or hispanic girl will often times be better looking to me than a Blonde "10". A petite girl will beat a voluptious girl in my book any day as I love tight little midriffs on women.

What it really comes down to is are you happy with what you are getting when you go out? If not, continue to grow and learn.
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Postby realdice » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:19 pm

I really enjoy reading posts and field reports from both Mojo and Twitchy. I'm not as good as either of you guys yet, but its getting better and better. I would love to sarge with both if not one of you guys at one point. I feel I could learn a lot from both of you gPUA's.
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Postby captainjackpua » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:54 pm

Yes, it's true Pro PUAs do have off nights. If you consider an off night a night where you don't get laid I'd say most of my nights are off nights.

This post will help let people know where I'm coming from most of the time and why they may not be all that impressed if they see me in the field.

In order to be good you need to look like your interactions are normal. If the girl's are jumping around and hollering then you are an Entertainer or a Clown running Flash Game.

Flash Game looks good but it doesn't turn into lays.

A real PUA can come in and have what appears to onlookers to be a normal conversation and have the girl say yes to all of your Baby steps until she is in your bed.

A skillful PUA CREATES "it just happened" in her mind. That's why getting girls with boyfriends is no harder (in fact, may be easier) than any other girl.

I also don't perform because I have nothing to prove. I prove my skills with 12 dudes watching me, eyeing my every move 6-10 times a year. I've never received a bad review. On the last 2 bootcamps I helped with a got laid twice each time.

Also, it's true I don't open many sets. If you're good you shouldn't need to open more than a few sets per night. If you're opening more than 5-6 sets per night it means you have serious work to do on the first 10 minutes of your Game.

In July I had 7 new lays. Six of those came the very same night I met them. I opened no more than 20 sets that entire month. In August I had another 3 lays. I went out 3-4 times in all of September and had one lay with a girl most people would agree is an 8 or 9.

Keep in mind these are numbers being posted by someone who does NOT do phone game and rarely does Day2s.

I rarely even bother getting phone numbers. I have no desire to Day2 a girl. If I DID get numbers and bother with Day2'ing girls I would probably consistently approach 8+ new lays per month.

If I wanted to surround myself with 9s and above I could. But, I rarely have sex with a girl more than once so she's not around long enough for me to parade her around trying to impress other PUAs. Nor do I carry my digital camera around trying to document myself with pretty girls. I get no satisfaction from impressing anyone. It holds no meaning for me.

If I want a girl and I feel like putting in some effort I go and take my shot. If not, I'm happy to chill and chat with friends, drink and listen to the music.

With the exception of Sinn and Mystery there is no one better than me in the world...let alone Texas and certainly not in Dallas.

As far as other PUAs being around and watching me, I could care less. It really doesn't affect me either way. If a PUA sees me in the field and comes and says "Hi" and wants to chat for a minute or two that's fine.

I don't even mind answering a quick question or two. No worries.

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Postby Welsh_Dragon » Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:51 pm

CJ I am curious as to your comment on not opening many sets. Maybe I am doing something wrong but usually I need to open more than 1 or 2 sets to get an attracted girl with good logistics that I also want to SNL. Isn't it limiting to set such a low number? I personally enjoy interacting with quite a few new girls in an evening and selecting the one I want. Honestly though it's 1 or 2 out of 10 sets per night that yield a girl hot enough and will work out.

I respect your reputation and I am sure you have way more game than me as 3rd best in the world. I am completely tailored to SNL in mostly cold cities around the world (little to no contacts or pivots to start) so maybe our games are different due to that.
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Postby captainjackpua » Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:06 am

Welsh_Dragon wrote:CJ I am curious as to your comment on not opening many sets. Maybe I am doing something wrong but usually I need to open more than 1 or 2 sets to get an attracted girl with good logistics that I also want to SNL. Isn't it limiting to set such a low number? I personally enjoy interacting with quite a few new girls in an evening and selecting the one I want. Honestly though it's 1 or 2 out of 10 sets per night that yield a girl hot enough and will work out.

I respect your reputation and I am sure you have way more game than me as 3rd best in the world. I am completely tailored to SNL in mostly cold cities around the world (little to no contacts or pivots to start) so maybe our games are different due to that.


I also do pure cold approach to same night lays. I don't use pivots and saying that Sinn is my Wing is a loose term. We rarely run sets together because we don't really need to...the only time we do is if we are attracted to the other girl and we want to try for a double pull.

I used to check on logistics in the first 5 minutes but I stopped that a long time ago.

A really smooth interaction with sexual framing makes logistical issues (nearly) irrelevant. When a girl really wants a guy she will handle the logistics (or just agree to however you propose handling them.) I can't remember the last time logistics botched a lay for me.

Actually I do. It was in Australia February or March where they had to catch the last train home at 12:20. It was on but I was only about 15-20 minutes in...and even then it was still possible but we had 12 students watching and I couldn't leave until 1:30am.

It was sort of like when I first started gaming and it seemed like a LOT of girls had boyfriends and they let me know pretty quickly. Then, as my game improved they only told me when I tried to TimeBridge or number close. Then, after a few more months it seemed that no girls I gamed ever had boyfriends.

The same pattern with logistics occurred as well.

Women go out to get laid. If they are out it means that any logistical problems (including boyfriends) only matter when the desire is not strong enough. (Or, it may not even be a high level of desire, it may just be that it seems so easy and natural that it just feels right for them every step of the way.)

Here's another point people may find interesting...

I rarely go out to get laid. Most of the time I go out it is to work on something specific. Therefore I will GIVE UP great opportunities to get laid for a chance to work on a specific Sticking Point or situation or tactic.

If you take an athletic analogy it's like most of the days I suit up its to practice my fade away jumper or my dunk or my 3-point shot or whatever.

Or, I may just be watching set dynamics to see if I can see a move or two ahead.

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Postby Welsh_Dragon » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:32 am

Alright I concur with you that logistics become less of an issue in time and with better sexual framing - in particular good kino escalation. Congruent escalation was a problem for me at first so I incorporated tactics to combat the issue. A limiting factor for me (at least in my mind) used to be that I am invariably staying @ a hotel which I considered a DLV and hard to explain. It's more of a habit now to manage expectations and logistics and may well be unnecessary any more. I will try what you are suggesting on my next trip and let the chick do this for me and/or completely ignore logistics until the critical point. In fact I did this recently in Phili and it did work. I have also had success with some bathroom pulls and that was more her managing logistics and me jumping through.

I also fully agree that one should not just go out to pull (In a new city my first mandate is usually to find weed anyway). This is a hard concept to explain but the energy always needs to be positive and relaxed. In fact my game is almost pure positive energy, BL, EC and frame these days. The world slows down as you get better and better at observing and more and more comfortable with being in the thick of things. Guys who have been out with me will attest to this. Plus there are so many other amazing things going on out there. Awesome gigs and unusual bars - whatever. Chicks are everywhere so they just fit in where applicable.

I spent 9 months going out 6/7 nights per week to develop this level of comfort in the environment. I think I saw CJ once early on. I don't sarge Dallas any more but I do use this place to practice, try new things and stay in zone. I still have some great contacts at Clear, Martini Ranch and other places I like.

When I hang with my best buddies in the world it is never about girls but even then I am always engaged and observing. To be honest my best friends are not in Dallas. Even if things are not going well in other areas I don't skip going out though. I recently busted up my finger at Oakland airport (of all places) and had to get 6 stitches. I felt like crap but still went out that night even with a 6am out of SFO when it would have been much easier to just sleep. BTW smoking a joint down the 101 is the only way to fly ;) Finding a petrol station to fill up the rental car is another matter. Bastards!

Each city in America continues to pose different challenges for me. Although I have great material anywhere (and the accent helps) I have found sarging San Francisco for example very different than Phili or Chicago or Cincinnati (!) or wherevertown USA. I guess opening quite a few sets is the only way I have found to keep growing my game. Getting to know how the locals tick is not only interesting to me it also helps me tune in. It is where a lot of my DHV material comes from also. Opening sets is the only way sometimes.

I have had low success finding high level lair guys to hang out with. I note that this may be due to my low status in the community and the fact that the best guys are pretty closed off and as such hard to tie down. I know some good lair guys in Seattle, Phili and San Fran now but it is very hit and miss. If you get a really bad one that blows hard (this happened to me in Atlanta). To be honest though I really don't care enough to waste the time so I tend to find naturals in the field.

This game is a lot like chess. Observe enough and you start to see patterns. Keep observing and they become dead giveaways. There are a multitude of IOIs that might cause me to escalate. For example excessive hair touching with good EC (if congruent with other BL, especially kino) is a sign I have almost universally observed as saying "I like you ... a lot".

I continue to screen constantly in field. The girls I want are just not that easy to find and I feel this does also improve my energy. Maybe one day I won't need to any more. Another benefit of opening high value guys (which I do quite often) is that I get a lot of free drinks and drugs and good natural friends. I guess it's a country to country kind of commaradare. You have so few cool people in America the few stick together lol. Your country does make me laugh.

Peace.
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Postby Erock » Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:12 pm

Was this from the nightgame on the 19th? Damn I wish I could have rolled with you guys although us young guns had fun too.

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Postby Vector » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:28 pm

I just want to mention, Sinn and Capt. Jack taught my bootcamp, and from what I know of who is out there, there is nobody I would have rather had. I can't say with certainty whether a bootcamp would be worth it for anyone else, but it was well worth it for me.
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