New idea for an opener.

[blake]

Its something that has stuck in my mind since I read his book book a couple years ago. I love the idea of being honest to these women. So many men think that you need to lie and hide your desires and activities.



On being a PUA

"It also requires honesty. You probably didn't expect to see
that word in a book on picking up women. Surprise. A true pickup
artist is not a player. While a player schemes and hides and
sneaks around to get in an extra bit on his girlfriend or wife, the
pick-up artist has neither the inkling nor time to do that. He
seeks to be straight with the women who are involved with him.
He feels contempt for dishonesty and considers the player an
unskilled opportunist." Juggler

Its all ok was such a strange concept to me years ago. Now I kind of understand that whatever you want is ok. Some won't like it or stick around but its ok. And ok to be honest.

[Vector]

However, it got me thinking about whether I could use the "friend" assumption to my advantage. If I'm asking for an opinion about my "friend" that turns into a DHV for me, then that would be a genius opener. I was racking my brain to think about some situation I could ask about. Something like:
Rhody: I have this friend who has this girl he hangs out with. Every time they get together she wants to give him a blowjob. He feels funny about it, but he doesn't know how to get her to stop.

I like the idea of turning the phantom-friend assumption upside-down. You might want to mention that the blowjob girl is attractive, or they may assume she is fat or something.


As for the player opener, in my case it always becomes immediately about me, even though I'm asking about some theoretical guy. It's not a bad thing though, and here's why:

My "back story" that motivates the player question is that there are at least two concepts for what a player is. One concept of a player is someone who lies and plays on emotions (e.g. saying "I Love You" when really he doesn't) and resorts to all sorts of dishonesty because it's the only way he can get laid. This is what Juggler is talking about.

The other concept of a player is someone who is simply attractive and charming and gets laid a lot. My frame is that I am wondering which image is conjured up when she hears "player", because I am wondering if I want to be called a player or not.

Now the player opener almost works, because they might assume you're asking because you have a lot of women calling you a "player." It's not the best assumption, but some women might not resist the temptation to find out what makes YOU a player.

For the record, here's how I've been wording it:
Rhody: When a girl calls a guy a "player," what does that mean?

My feeling is that a woman calling a guy a player is almost always bad. Even in the positive sense it's not going to be a compliment. So I don't want to say or imply that women are calling me a player. Perhaps my male friends are calling me a player as a compliment and I'm confused because when women tell me about guys they hate, I have always heard it in the pejorative sense of a liar, which I'm not.

[Mojo]

On being a PUA

"It also requires honesty. You probably didn't expect to see
that word in a book on picking up women. Surprise. A true pickup
artist is not a player. While a player schemes and hides and
sneaks around to get in an extra bit on his girlfriend or wife, the
pick-up artist has neither the inkling nor time to do that. He
seeks to be straight with the women who are involved with him.
He feels contempt for dishonesty and considers the player an
unskilled opportunist." Juggler

I like this passage. Honesty derives from integrity. Integrity is integral to inner game.

[Rhody]

Now the player opener almost works, because they might assume you're asking because you have a lot of women calling you a "player." It's not the best assumption, but some women might not resist the temptation to find out what makes YOU a player.

For the record, here's how I've been wording it:
Rhody: When a girl calls a guy a "player," what does that mean?

My feeling is that a woman calling a guy a player is almost always bad. Even in the positive sense it's not going to be a compliment. So I don't want to say or imply that women are calling me a player. Perhaps my male friends are calling me a player as a compliment and I'm confused because when women tell me about guys they hate, I have always heard it in the pejorative sense of a liar, which I'm not.

You're right, of course. I was wording it that way to get the phantom-friend-assumption. Another reason for that is to get right to the shit-test and pass it.
Rhody: When a girl calls a guy a "player," what does that mean?
HB: People call you a player?
Rhody: Yes. I am such a player. I'm going to use you for sex and steal your money. I'm bad news. Don't get mixed up with the likes of me.

On the other hand, I also like it more general.
Rhody: What makes a person a player?
HB: A player sleeps with a lot of women. And he lies or uses her.
Rhody: You automatically said "he." Can a woman be a player?

BTW, I was thinking about it, and my boob job opener wasn't too bad to begin with, because the phantom-friend-assumption (thanks for the term, it's awesome! I'm stealing it!) generates an instant shit-test.
Rhody: I have a friend who kind of talked his girlfriend into getting a boob job. Now she wants him to pay for it. Should he pay for her boob job?
HB: It's you, isn't it?
Rhody: Yeah, I like huge breasts. The bigger, the better.

Nothing communicates confidence and congruency like passing a shit-test.

[Strange]

My EASY OPENER(s)
I'll Just straight Up,Walk up ta random sets and ask them if their
from around here?

Them-"No"
Strange-"Where ya from? Talk about how I live by the Bridge
that collapsed.(I Live In Minneapolis)

Them-"yea, actually" (Although they always 99% from suburbia)
Strange-"I live right by the bridge 35w You shoulda scene it!"

Or My fav=
Strange-"Are any of you from around here?
Them-"Blah,Blah, Where are you from
Strange-"Im from the FUTURE"(Always good for Laughs and/or Mysterious Guy Thing)

[Scoundrel]

I’ve been playing with this “Player” opener for a while now and I think I‘ve got the phrasing down pretty well.

PUA “When I girl calls a man a player, what does she mean?

HB: “That’s a guy that sleeps around with a lot of women.”

PUA: Yeah, but I think it means more than that. Isn’t there also some deceit involved?”

HB: “Yeah, he pretends to be in love with one girl, but is really dating others.”

PUA: “See, that’s not the way I was thinking about it. I’d always thought of a player as someone that was just good at the game. The game being the human mating dance or what ever you want to call it. He‘s not lying to anyone. You know a guy like Fonzie from happy days. Would he a player”

From here on it starts getting random, but it stretches out nicely. One chick said a guy that could attract women like that was a pimp LOL. That took it in a whole other area!

I’m not using this as an opener anymore. I’m stacking it and using it a little later in the set.