To Kino or not to Kino

[jdwhat]

I think somewhere in this new found info of the pua I am misunderstanding the use of kino in a given situation. I read somewhere that you do not kino or show IOI until a girl has qualified herself to you and in other place I have read that you kino immediately. Which one is right…or does it depend on the situation.

Example 1. Jason and I were at Mi Cocina (sp) and the feeling was ok but there was a nice group of hb 7-9 in the crowd. After assuming the alpha, I don’t give a damn position, and chatting it up with Jason I noticed that there were two gay guys in the place that were chatting it up with all of the girls. Man they were kinoing every one of the girls like it was no big deal. So I assume that they know they are gay so it’s no big deal to the girls. One of guys walks over to me so I say the classic…introduce me to your friends it’s the nice thing to do. He does so and then kinos me with his hand on my back. He ends up touching me like two more times. I wanted to say hand off the merchandise but I wasn’t really sure what to do. Anyhow, I immediately kino the girls because I understand that through all of the attention that have gotten that there buying temp is probably way up. Was that the right thing to do?
Example 2. I am chilling with one of my buddies and his on and off girlfriend and we are just bs it up. I lean back in my chair and with my body language portray I really don’t care. She starts to kino me while talking to me almost as if she needs the validation. So I kino back because she is nice on the eyes.

Please bear with me as I am new to the whole pua thing but truly do want to do it right.


Any input will be greatly appreciated

[Tracer]

From my experience.

I would start slight kino right from the start if you approached the target while she is by herself (DayGame). basically touching her arm or bumping her with my elbow or shoulder.

Kino the group and ignore the target until she ioi's you and then reward her with a bit of kino. I normally do slight kino to whoever is closest to me (accept for dudes) when I open the set.

For example. I opened a four set at Sherlock's and I immediately started kinoing the girl that was having a bachlorette party. I can't remember where I read it, but when you accomplish kino with the set the target is accepting the same level of kino as the group.

[JohnnyBravo]

Rule: Don't neg the obstacle if it's a gay dude! The gay dude responded just like a female target might respond after a neg. Neg the target instead.

I'm not to sure if buying temp would be up if kino is done by a gay dude and the chick knows he's gay. She might be in the same frame of mind that a gay dude touching her is the same as one of her chick friends touching her. I don't know. That was a pretty weired situation you described...especially after you negged the dude and then he started to kino you...haha. Don't do that anymore.

You could've responded with the classic "Don't touch me, the gay club is down the street, etc...". But he might have asked for directions.

[Smile]

I would say in my experience it all depends on the situation. If the girl #1 puts up a high bitch shield then use kino as a reward after an IOI. If the girl #2 does not have high bitch shield and (after a few minutes) is hooked then start some kino and gradually progress as not to get stuck in C1 and become just a friend. Slight instant kino could work as well. Also, if the girl #3 has basically no bitch shield or is just really cool then start with some slight kino at first. You have to judge the situation as best as you can depending on the girl and her reactions (body and verbal). A lot of this is about using your skills and calibrating them as you game the best way for the girl/situation. Remember, (I am sure you know this) you don't want to portray yourself as some sleezy AFC and some girls are more comfortable returning/accepting kino that others are not as comfortable returning/accepting (especially in public depending on the kino). In some cases, kiss opening is the best (high kino) but I have not tried that yet. Hope this helps.

[Tracer]

Rule: Don't neg the obstacle if it's a gay dude! The gay dude responded just like a female target might respond after a neg. Neg the target instead.

I totally agree! Bad news...LMAO

Kino escalate from the get go and the entire group will accept it and so will the target when she deserves it.

[NobodyUKnow]

Kino kino kino. Kino kino, more kino.

Start small, push it to the limit. If you aren't getting told 'you touch too much' or getting uncomfortable bodylanguage, you aren't kinoing enough. Kino until you calibrate how much you can get away with in any given situation.

Kino kino kino. Kino kino kino.

[the_wildcard]

Kino kino kino. Kino kino, more kino.

Start small, push it to the limit. If you aren't getting told 'you touch too much' or getting uncomfortable bodylanguage, you aren't kinoing enough. Kino until you calibrate how much you can get away with in any given situation.

Kino kino kino. Kino kino kino.

yeah.. kino is a big part of my game.. I totally agree with this : P