Any way out of buyer's remorse?

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Postby Finesse » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:04 pm

Yes. If there are multiple friends they will be distracted by several things. The band, other guys, and themselves.
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Postby NobodyUKnow » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:26 am

A) It's The Fray. They rock.
B) There will be tons of chicks the to setup jealousy threads with. Be the friendly guy (who just happens to talk to hot babes)
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Postby Finesse » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:27 am

alright man.... I am pretty drunk right now so I will post more later..... fucking excellent job man. way to kiss close not 1 but 2!!!! fucking girls.
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Postby PersianPrince » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:36 am

*UPDATE*

Alright so I got a Kclose with the girl at the concert. Thanks a lot for you all's advice. I'll give you a rundown of some stuff that happened at the concert.

I went with a big group of friends (friends that I have known since highschool) to the concert. None of the guys know about PU and none of them knew that I was trying to pick up this girl. So Finesse graciously agreed to come along and wing me (but it's not like he had to sacrifice a lot. He met a lot of my hot friends and got about 6 numbers). By the way, if you haven't met him, he's got pretty damn good game.

We met up at one of the girls' houses and I could tell my target (we'll call her HBSpanish) was a little uncomfortable. I hugged her and teased her a bit but she seemed kinda nervous and was talking to her close girlfriends, so I didn't get to talk to her much at the house. I have to admit I was initially a little in my head and wondering whether I had unreasonable expectations (I'm gradually getting over this, though).

We had to take three separate cars, and even though Finesse cleverly tried to set it up so that me and HBSpanish would be in the same car sitting next to each other(he took the front seat so that she'd sit with me), HBSpanish ended up going in a different car. I decided to just have fun with Finesse and the other girls I was with and this really helped me get into state. One of the girls who I had never met, mentioned that we had the same car. I quickly disqualified her and called her a stalker. She ate it up. It was too easy.

On the way to the concert, our car stopped to buy alcohol when I received a text from HBSpanish: "are you going to drink tonight or not?" I took this as a clear IOI. Instead of answering with a cocky response, however, I just told her that it would be a really fun concert so I would drink some. I wanted to play it down and make drinking not a big deal.

We got to the concert and pregamed a bit in the parking lot. I started talking to her more and started kino. However, I made sure not to hover around. I talked with EVERYONE and just had a great time. I could tell she knew this (I'll come back how I knew why later). When we finally entered the venue and sat down on the lawn, I immediately opened the nearest set. It was a college aged couple with their little siblings. I just shot the shit with them to show HBSpanish that I was a social guy and could strike up a convo with ANYONE.

Throughout the concert I was just a social butterfly. I would mingle with random strangers and then come back to my friends. I flirted with the other girls I knew big time as well (I got a head massage, back massage, and a couple cheek kisses). Yet I would always make sure to make longer stops with HBSpanish. I sat with her for longer periods of time and really AMPED UP the Kino hardcore. I touched her shoulder, grabbed her waist, touched her thigh (I made sure it was just natural and not a big deal rather than being creepy). She did not object to any of my KINO at all.

Even though I was just acting and feeling dominant and confident, I was still a bit nervous because I knew I had to eventually attempt a KClose with HBSpanish. Even though I have hooked up a decent amount of times, I am still not comfortable with the Seduction and End-Game part of PU. I kept going over to Finesse for reassurance and advice and he kept advising me to go for it when the concert ended and to pull her aside as the group was leaving. I kept asking him if he was sure this was the right thing to do.

We both knew that in order to get the Kclose I would have to get her alone, and take her by the hand and LEAD her submissive ass somewhere to kiss her. So when the concert ended, and as we were all walking away from our lawn spot, I grabbed her hand and told her I lost my wallet. She came back with me and looked all over the ground. I conveniently dropped my wallet and she soon "found" it. I then looked into her eyes and we kissed for a bit.

As we were walking back to rejoin the group, we held hands and at one point I grabbed her somewhat forcefully and tried to kiss her again. She told me regretfully that she has a BF (now I know that this does not matter. She just needs a little coaxing. I just need to be persistent, aggressive, and leading). But even though she did not kiss me on my second attempt, she alluded to the inside joke we have about her raping me in a random field. She said, "but look there's a huge, empty field..."

We then went to IHOP for a 2:00 AM breakfast, and we took separate cars yet again. My car arrived first and I continued being sexually aggressive with the other girls even though I was not trying to hook up with them. I picked them up, gave them piggy back rides, went behind them and hugged them, etc. Finesse noticed this and told me that what I was doing was excellent, but that I needed to do it with my target! So when HBSpanish arrived, I hugged her from behind which gave her a pleasant surprise and carried her around the IHOP Parking lot. She was not resisting at all.

We ate a great meal at IHOP, and I continued to be social with everyone else, including the waitress. HBSpanish and I kept looking back at each other and held eye contact for awhile, but I made sure to not turn away first. I could tell shit was just buzzing around in her mind. She was so interested, yet quiet, as if she didnt know what was going on. After we ate, we all said our goodbyes and she told me to call her the next day. As a matter of fact, she told Finesse in private how much I've changed and that I used to be alot more reserved.

Today I was going to call her but she texted me first, I called her a bit later but she didn't respond. I will continue to game her. I want to build some more comfort and hook up again, but its so hard to get her alone just me and her. She now knows that I am not just a casual flirter and I know she's down with it. I think she just wants me to make it happen so that she does not feel guilty and isn't a part of the process.

The next time I see her, regardless of whether we're in public or not, I'm planning on pulling her aside to tell her a "secret." And instead saying something sexual in her ear.
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Postby PersianPrince » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:38 am

I forgot to mention something that I feel is very important:

One thing I think PU needs to stress more is how aggressive you need to be IN END GAME/SEDUCTION. This does not mean that you should be creepy and sketchy. This is also a bit different than LEADING.

I was totally clueless about how aggressive you need to be once the mutual attraction and comfort is there. I really didn't understand how sexually persistent and aggressive you have to be. It's hard to explain, because some people can misconstrue this as being sleazy, but I think the difference is sleazy guys do it at the beginning of the whole process, even when the woman is not yet attracted to him.

I'm beginning to find out how much you can get away with with girls. Not only CAN you get away with stuff, but you SHOULD. I felt like much more of a confident sexual being when I picked up all these girls and made them give me messages, but even after reading a lot of material, I never understood the absolute necessity to be sexually aggressive.
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Postby Finesse » Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:50 am

Thanks! 8) Was very fun.

HBSpanish is easily a 10. Very good tastes man.

Hey PersianPrince, at the beginning of the evening when we were all at that girls house. It was like walking into a very high energy set. All the girls were talking 90 mph and laughing and going back and forth and so on, the 2 guys who were standing there werent saying or doing anything! From what I remember she came in late as well, so from what i could tell she was having difficulty adjusting to the level of energy that was already there, she didn't really know what was going on and she felt out of place until she started getting more involved in the conversation. I remember at one point she crossed her arms for a bit. Thats what you don't want to do. It's hard to enter a set with this high of energy but you pulled it off. You kept your energy up, and no matter who you talked to you were the center of the conversational tempo. Keep that in mind for future reference when opening.

Well done, sir.
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Postby Finesse » Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:06 am

...... isn't a part of the process.



It is part of the process. When asked, "Why did you do that?"(regarding something bad, sexual or benign, they always respond.... "one thing lead to another and it just, happened."(give or take a little)

All youre doing is controlling the time and place of "just, happened"
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Postby Finesse » Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:10 am

shit.... btw ... I don't know about you .. but those dryer sheets didnt work worth shit. I still got bitten.
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