Vector's Philosophy - Principles

[Vector]

Ok, I took a stab at documenting principles and purposes for Dallas PUA. I speak only for myself. This is the direction I would like to see Dallas PUA go (not really different from what has been happening so far).

I'm seeing this as a sort of starting point, or "straw man". For most of these, I didn't put a lot of energy into the exact wording, but I did try to hit the major concepts. Under each one I put more bullets for elaboration, or clarification.

So, without further ado,

1. The purpose of the website and organization is to facilitate DFW-area men helping each other at socializing with women
   
   1. The primary focus is supporting DFW-area men, but non-local men are welcome also, and women are permitted to join the discussion
      
2. The organization will pursue its aim by:
   
   1. Hosting a website with a forum and potentially other online tools for discussion and collaboration
      
   2. Hosting meeting events, where DFW-area members can meet each other face-to-face
      
   3. Hosting events with PU gurus
      
   4. Hosting other events or activities that support building PU-related skills, for example, improv class, fashion consultations, dance lessons, acting class, etc.
3. Dallas PUA should be guru- and style-neutral
   
   1. Individuals (including the leadership) may have preferences of style, (e.g. MM or SS or Juggler, etc..) and are free to express those opinions, but Dallas PUA should have no "official" style
      
   2. Dallas PUA should be open to discussion of any style
      
4. The Dallas PUA leadership may not profit personally from their position
   
   1. The leadership may not accept "freebies" from gurus in exchange for hosting, or for any other reason
      
   2. The leadership may not use Dallas PUA assets for personal use
      
   3. The leadership may not use Dallas PUA to advertise personal services
      
5. To the extent possible, members should not pay for services other than those they benefit personally from
   
   1. There should not be membership dues
      
   2. Revenue from charging admission to events should only be used to cover expenses, and not be used to subsidize other activities
      
6. Dallas PUA should act to protect members from excessive advertisements
   
   1. Unpaid advertisements in the form of posts whose sole purpose is promotion of a product or service are not to be tolerated
      
   2. "Spam" messages via PM or email will not be tolerated
      
   3. Paid advertisements in any form, including potential banner ads on the website, should be as unintrusive as possible.
      
7. Dallas PUA should act to protect the privacy of all members
   
   1. The contact information (other than online handle) of members shall never under any circumstances be divulged to third parties without explicit consent
      
   2. The bulk of the contents of the board should not be crawlable by search engines
      
   3. Members may post their own identities or contact information if they wish, but may not divulge the identities of others
      
   4. Posting real names or contact information of women exposes them (and Dallas PUA) to risk, and should also be prohibited
      
8. Dallas PUA should actively avoid situations where members of leadership may have conflicts of interest with other principles
   
   1. People with strong commercial interests may be excluded from leadership positions
      
   2. The leadership may not accept "freebies" in connection with their activities relating to Dallas PUA

[Vector]

Please post feedback. If some area needs expansion or if you disagree with one or more of the points, please say so.

I would like for this to evolve into The Dallas PUA Society Principles, not Vector's Principles.

[Rhody]

I have a few suggestions:

1. Personally, I would like 1 to include more than just socializing with women. While this clearly is the primary focus of the society, I think it would be a good idea, every once in a while, to have someone (expert speaker of member) talk about various other topics, such as personal finance, nutrition, literature (non-pickup reated), fashion, wine, art, music, etc. Being a well-rounded person will help with pickup.

2e. Providing instruction in field.

5. Individuals should not pay for services other than those they benefit from personally.
c. Excess revenue from public events shall be donated to charity.

6d. Paid advertisers shall not influence, or be influenced by, the purpose of the Web site and organization. Advertisements may be selected by a third-party engine, and not by any individual member of the society.

7d. names, contact information, photographs, or any details or description that would compromize the anonymity of any individual other than the posting member or wing

[Vector]

This is great input. I agree with most of these points and I especially like your comment on #1. They are all definitely worth discussing further.

[Neuromancer]

I don't think we should donate extra money gained from an event to a charity unless we are hosting a charity event. We can use that money for running expenses. Any overages from an event should be put into hosting expenses or the like. Those who pay for the event pay with the understanding that the money is used for expenses. While we will try to keep overages to a minimum we may pull in more than the event costs and in that event, any extra money generated goes to pay for services that event attendees benefit from.

[Finesse]

Yeah, I think the extra money could be used to help further the guys on the board and this it doesnt conflict with our goals. Donating to charity would be a waste of good funds for future events in my opinion.

I am by no means saying donating to charity is bad though.

I second the instruction in field. (2e).

[Vector]

Okay, so here's an updated version, incorporating the feedback. Differences are marked in italics.

Item 1 has been worded to mean roughly the same thing but is not limiting.

For "individuals" on item 5, I'm thinking "members" is appropriate because non-members are out of scope, or jurisdiction so to speak. I agree with "individuals" in principle but (to take an extreme example,) me paying for Welfare benefits is better left out of scope. "Members" should still cover everything.

The charity clause has been omitted.

Item 6 to me is about protecting the users from being spammed. The advertising clause I interpreted as being not so much about shielding users from pop-ups, but more about the potential conflict of interest or "pimping out" of Dallas PUA, so I split it into sections 3 (neutrality) and 8 (conflict of interest). I don't want to get too specific as to the procedures (google AdSense vs. others) because as principles these should stay more abstract and talk about goals, objectives, and philosphy.

For 7d, I made the modification but removed the "or wing" since members do need to protect the privacy of their wings. With the new wording, 7c and 7d are very close and should perhaps be merged. The old 7d was focused on protecting the privacy of the women who get sarged, HBThis and HBThat, since they are technically not covered by 7: protecting the privacy of members. I might touch up 7, 7c, and 7d to be clearer.

1. The purpose of the website and organization is to facilitate DFW-area men helping each other at improving their lives, with a focus on socializing with women
   
   1. The primary focus is supporting DFW-area men, but non-local men are welcome also, and women are permitted to join the discussion
      
2. The organization will pursue its aim by:
   
   1. Hosting a website with a forum and potentially other online tools for discussion and collaboration
      
   2. Hosting meeting events, where DFW-area members can meet each other face-to-face
      
   3. Hosting events with PU gurus
      
   4. Providing instruction in field
      
   5. Hosting other events or activities that support building PU-related skills, for example, improv class, fashion consultations, dance lessons, acting class, etc.
3. Dallas PUA should be guru- and style-neutral
   
   1. Individuals (including the leadership) may have preferences of style, (e.g. MM or SS or Juggler, etc..) and are free to express those opinions, but Dallas PUA should have no "official" style
      
   2. Dallas PUA should be open to discussion of any style
      
   3. Dallas PUA should not select advertisers as a means of endorsing particular individuals or organizations
      
4. The Dallas PUA leadership may not profit personally from their position
   
   1. The leadership may not accept "freebies" from gurus in exchange for hosting, or for any other reason
      
   2. The leadership may not use Dallas PUA assets for personal use
      
   3. The leadership may not use Dallas PUA to advertise personal services
      
5. To the extent possible, members should not pay for services other than those they benefit personally from
   
   1. There should not be membership dues
      
   2. Revenue from charging admission to events should only be used to cover expenses, and not be used to subsidize other activities
      
6. Dallas PUA should act to protect members from excessive advertisements
   
   1. Unpaid advertisements in the form of posts whose sole purpose is promotion of a product or service are not to be tolerated
      
   2. "Spam" messages via PM or email will not be tolerated
      
   3. Paid advertisements in any form, including potential banner ads on the website, should be as unintrusive as possible.
      
7. Dallas PUA should act to protect the privacy of all members
   
   1. The contact information (other than online handle) of members shall never under any circumstances be divulged to third parties without explicit consent
      
   2. The bulk of the contents of the board should not be crawlable by search engines
      
   3. Members may post their own identities or contact information if they wish, but may not divulge the identities of others
      
   4. Posting real names, contact information, photographs, or any details or description that would compromise the anonymity of any individual other than the posting member is also prohibited
      
8. Dallas PUA should actively avoid situations where members of leadership may have conflicts of interest with other principles
   
   1. People with strong commercial interests may be excluded from leadership positions
      
   2. The leadership may not accept "freebies" in connection with their activities relating to Dallas PUA
      
   3. Paid advertisers shall not influence the purpose of the web site and organization