IOI or Shit Test?

[Welsh_Dragon]

WF you can't apply these tactics with such broad brush strokes IMO. You need a personal connection with the girl - she's not looking for a cookie cutter "correct" response to everything which is why there is no PUA v1.0 manual from Microsoft. If it's a shit test you should pick up on that but she also shouldn't be shit testing you this far in with such a lame thing. Also if you're going to bust her do it in a subtle way and try not to make her feel bad or angry because that is the opposite of what you are trying to achieve.

[PUA1234]

I would bust on her for asking her to watch her purse. I mean girls always take their purse with them to the bathroom just in case they need to touch up on some make up or something...but I would still do it as I don't think its a really big deal...

[Rhody]

How about using the purse as a new opener? Put it over your shoulder and then approach a nearby set; ask them if your bag matches your shoes. Maybe use it as a lock-in prop; ask a girl, "will you hold my purse for me? Ok, check this out, who lies more [blah blah blah]." When the HB comes back, it will be easy to bring her into set. The set you opened will know that a HB trusted you enough to watch her purse, that you didn't just stand there like a dork with a purse, and that you're an easy going kind of guy. The HB will know that you're not just her watch dog and that she better pay attention to you or you might attract a whole new bunch of friends while she's off playing games.

Just a thought. I agree that it's an IOI, but so is a shit test. That doesn't mean you should comply so obediently.

[Vector]

Personally, I think this is a shit test, and a big one at that.

It's NOT a shit test. If she says "can you pass the salt" and I say "I'm not your servant, get your own salt" then she is going to (correctly) determine that I am an asshole who cares nothing for anyone besides myself. And that I have "issues".

There are a million funny things you could say, and doing so would probably be good. But don't bust on her for doing things that are completely normal. The idea that she is unusual for doing something has to be at least slightly plausible for you to bust on her for it. Otherwise you become the guy who insults people at random.

[Finesse]

I kind of agree with rhody to an extent.... however I also think that it's a trust thing. It would be something I would have to field test though.

[Finesse]

If it's a shit test you should pick up on that but she also shouldn't be shit testing you this far in with such a lame thing. Also if you're going to bust her do it in a subtle way and try not to make her feel bad or angry because that is the opposite of what you are trying to achieve.

If it's a shit test then she is being pretty stupid about it... think about it. What do women keep in their purses? Money, Phones, the white pony? I mean seriously... there is stuff in there that she "normally" doesnt just go around flashing everywhere and if she leaves it with you entrusting you with all her valuable assets that she currently has with her, then she has already picked you for the "protector of her" spot tenatively for the night. I'd call it an IOI more than a shit test. But I agree with you Welsh.

[Rhody]

It is not a shit test, but it is a compliance test. I mean, she could give you $20 and ask you to go across the street and buy her some tampons. That's a trust thing too, because she's giving you $20 she might not get back. But if she asked you to do that, you wouldn't say, "alright! I'm in! She trusts me!"

On the other hand, she is giving you a lock-in prop. She wants to be sure you'll be there when she gets back.

It's a double-edged sword. Of course, if you say no, you're an asshole. If you say yes and she comes back and finds you diligently watching over her purse, you become the predictable, dependable nice guy. She will lose attraction.

[NobodyUKnow]

Depending on context, it could be IOI, shittest, or both at the same time.

Calibrate and act accordingly. I like the "ok, but u have to do something for me in return" frame... or "ok, but you have to watch my wallet while you're in the bathroom". i.e. she doesn't get something for nothing... make her jump thru a hoop of at least equal size if you calibrate it as a shittest.

IMO controlling the frame is more important that the response you give.

[Westfall]

Personally, I think this is a shit test, and a big one at that.

It's NOT a shit test. If she says "can you pass the salt" and I say "I'm not your servant, get your own salt" then she is going to (correctly) determine that I am an asshole who cares nothing for anyone besides myself. And that I have "issues".

But there's no reason she wouldn't take her purse with her. I disagree with your analogy to the salt issue--I would pass the salt because I would deem it a reasonable request--and one that doesn't betatize me, I would NOT sit by and gaurd her belongings like some damn pet. I wouldn't bust on her too hard, but would say something playful...but I would also make it clear that I would not, under any circumstances watch her purse.

WF

[Scoundrel]

I think I need to consult a higher authority about this issue.