No More Fabricated Canned Routines.

[Mojo]

Traveling to San Fran, I wanted to see what the San Fran community was up to, so I joined the local PUA yahoo ebss group. A guy recently posted a thread called: STOP THE RING ROUTINE (below). Thought my reply might be of use for some of you.

Okay look, the ring routine is great...but we all need stop using
these canned routines in general. Its gona blow out the entire
community and you actually risk the embarrassment of being recognized
as a PUA. I have already talked to two girls who had heard the ring
routine before. Any chump can spit out a routine and it might work,
but the risk is greater than the reward. It will not be fun when you
use a routine on someone and they have heard it already before and
then start to wonder why guys are doing this. Keep in mind, all the
people who have goten into relationships, had sex, kissed girls, had
kids, had threesomes, gotten numbers etc with out even using a
routine. Who else recognizes the danger of using them? I have seen
what can happen first hand. Just stop the canned routines! Who's with
me on this?

-Trigger

My reply is as follows:

I’ve had strippers, NFL cheerleaders, MLTR’s with hot women, threesomes, all with out telling a lie or using a made up routine - Ok, enough qualifying I do not need to lie to get laid. I don't.

Made up stories and routines are just training wheels for the new guys. To have solid game you must have original, true stories that relate to your own personal experiences. And even though a bullshit routine may fool a girls a first, they will not fool their subconscious. Their subconscious KNOWS when you are bullshitting. There is no fooling it. And the subconscious will eventually give her that feeling whether you are a worthy mate or not. So you MUST be real, genuine, and genuinely confident. CONFIDENCE is key. No faking it. No fake it till you make it. Sorry guys, outer game is nothing without inner game.

The other day, I was gaming an ex-MLTR who I wanted to see again. When she asked me if I was dating other girls, I told her without hesitation, I was. I am honest and upfront like that. No need to lie. Stories are the best routines when they are true. We had an improv instructor talk to some of the guys in the community here, and one of the exercises was while listening to someone tell a story, something in that story will naturally remind you of a a story that happened with you, then you continue the convo going with your story. Excellent exercise most of us already do. When you can tell an exciting story that will DHV for yourself, then do it! The authenticity of the story will ring true to the HB, and her subconscious will give her that “I want to fuck this man” vibe. I like that vibe

Shit, talking about that “I want to fuck this man” vibe. This is one helluva technique for the new guys. When gaming a girl, simply think how nice it would be to have this beautiful creature in your bed, giving her the best fuck she ever had. Just thinking that will send the right sexual vibe to her. Do it and check out the difference. Crap, a bit off tangent.

Alrighty, back to telling the truth thingy. Create real routines that are based on truth and not bullshit. That will take your game to the next level.

Hope this helps,

Mojo


then I recieved a few questions from a Berkley student new to the game:

Wow...ur pretty successful with this stuff.
If you don't mind, I have a few questions for you:
How long have you done it for?
What could you reccomend for a guy that just started on this?
What really helped you?


Also would like ot meet and learn something from you (I'll try to give back also from whatever I've learned)
whenever you have a chance.

Thanks man,

-Mandeep

Hey bro, thanks for compliment. I've been in the community since 2005. The thing that you must have is confidence. A woman can spot a confident man from across the room just by how he holds himself. If Henry Ford was a PUA, his saying would be, “Whether you think you can or can’t get the girl, you are correct”. Our perception of reality creates the reality.

So, how do you get confidence? Have a life. Be involved in school; join organizations and get elected to leadership positions. Don’t take things serious. Enjoy life ALL the time. Sarge everyone. Enjoy interacting with people. You must change the psychology of your mind! One sure way that has been scientifically proven to change your psychology is creating, building, and owning a business with employees under you. This was one of the best things I have ever did! I have become more alpha cause I had no choice. My mind knew I was in an alpha position so it HAD to adapt.

As for meeting, it would be a bit trickier. One of the girls I am dating travels from Dallas to San Fran on business every other week, so if I decide to visit her again, we can meet.

Best,

Mojo

[Scoundrel]

I use routines, but for the most part I make up my own. The stuff that everyone uses in the beginning is a good start, but you need learn WHY it works so you can start coming up with your own stuff. Things that relate you and your life, stories from your past. Learn to embellish them a little and you’re good to go.

[holyskeleton]

when you think about it, your own story is not a canned material. its like a old friend come to you and say: "hey what happened yesterday? you left the party in a hurry." and you just tell him "oh nothing big my ex called her car broke down and I need to get my buddy to tow the car to his shop." or anything you feel that is in your reality. when you tell your own history it's nothing special. but when you memorize someone else's history and read it back to people it will be awkward.

[Vector]

Canned material, using other people's stories (or openers) is best for new guys. I used it, but then I started winging it more, and I noticed my results decreased. It's hard to control what your stories say about you when you're saying it for the first time. Even if you're confident and comfortable, the underlying message may not be an effective one. Now I've developed my own "routines". They're stories or qualifiers that are my own, but they are the same every time. Don't make them up on the fly.

From best to worst, is:
1. Your own routines. Feels natural to say, and it communicates good things about you.
2. Other people's routines. More difficult to be congruent, but with practice it can be effective.
3. Make stuff up on the fly. Congruent, but you'll spend too much time deciding what to say and even then, it might not reflect your best side.

[Neuromancer]

So the best answer is to create and run your own canned material, but how do you make sure it's quality material? Simple, get together with the guys on the board, sit down and hammer out the new material so it provides the highest DHV and then practice it in the mirror until it becomes congruent. Once you are congruent, take the new material, bring it back to the guys, run it by them again and then tweak it from their feedback. Then, run it in set until it works for you.

[Rhody]

It's interesting that the guy from the SF lair used the ring routine as an example. That is one routine that I will not stop using. It is chick crack! I was talking to one girl and I asked her if she always wore her ring on that specific finger. She said, "yeah." I said, "interesting..." She turned her back to me. I said, "you can tell a lot about a person based on what fingers they wear their rings." She turned with a big smile on her face, took a step into me, and said, "oooh! I'm interested!" The reason people use it is because it works. Why would you stop using something that works?

My friend and I were actually talking about this the other day. He said he ran a routine on a girl and she said she heard it before. But she also said that she liked it much better the way he said it. Most of the time if you flip all the attraction switches, it doesn't matter if she's heard it before. It's all about the subcommunication.

Sometimes, I think PUAs tell people to stop using routines because they want to keep them for themselves. Either that or they're trying to pump themselves up. It's like a guitarist who says, "you rehearse your guitar solos? Oh, I always improvise my guitar solos. Rehearsing solos is for hacks." To him it doesn't matter that his improvised solos usually suck while Eddie Van Halen plays the same kick ass solo every time.

[Neuromancer]

If you are up front about a pattern like rings on fingers or the cube, telling them you read it in a book on social interaction or psychology, you aren't claiming ownership and it doesn't matter if they heard it before because you are cool, well read and interested in people and the mind.

[Mojo]

What I meant by canned routines, was fabricated routines. Routines based off of truth is perfectly ok and desirable (I changed the title of this thread to reflect this).

[Slick85]

It's interesting that the guy from the SF lair used the ring routine as an example. That is one routine that I will not stop using. It is chick crack! I was talking to one girl and I asked her if she always wore her ring on that specific finger. She said, "yeah." I said, "interesting..." She turned her back to me. I said, "you can tell a lot about a person based on what fingers they wear their rings." She turned with a big smile on her face, took a step into me, and said, "oooh! I'm interested!" The reason people use it is because it works. Why would you stop using something that works?

My friend and I were actually talking about this the other day. He said he ran a routine on a girl and she said she heard it before. But she also said that she liked it much better the way he said it. Most of the time if you flip all the attraction switches, it doesn't matter if she's heard it before. It's all about the subcommunication.

Sometimes, I think PUAs tell people to stop using routines because they want to keep them for themselves. Either that or they're trying to pump themselves up. It's like a guitarist who says, "you rehearse your guitar solos? Oh, I always improvise my guitar solos. Rehearsing solos is for hacks." To him it doesn't matter that his improvised solos usually suck while Eddie Van Halen plays the same kick ass solo every time.

in what way did he say it better