Another one bites the dust...

[ninjamatt]

I need to get up with you bull run at a place of your choice. I have sister in downtown dallas i need to come see any way. I wanna see if you are all computer talk or can do something.

@ninjamatt:

Are we doing call-outs now? I think you are one of the only guys who posts on here regularly who almost no one else has seen in-field. In contrast, almost everyone has seen me in field and will attest to being legitimate. If Bullrun doesn't honor your post with a response, I will CERTAINLY take the Pepsi challenge with you. Hell, even if he does take you up on your offer, I am extending the challenge to you. In your own estimation you would be able to seduce 50% of black women so, I say we can take it to a predominantly black venue. Should be a piece of cake for you.

Let's work out the details and make it happen.

I am not interested in doing a black venue. I don't care about meeting black women or having black wings. it's funny you mention it. last night I was out and a girl I work with who's cute /black we started talking. I shooed her off and I'll be damned if within 10 seconds some chick comes up from behind and says "she's cute for a black girl".

The reason you haven't seen me is b/c I live in Little Rock. I've been wanting to come do a weekend in Dallas since October. If I can meet someone one here I'd probably come do it , but I would appreciate if you would pm me maybe I can see a pic of what I'm working with. I'm probably not gonna travel that far unless I can get with someone I think can run similar caliber women. If I come it will need to be before may4 b/c our hotel rooftop parties start then and I do those. also, travs.com has our minor league baseball team schedule. when the team is in town (typically every other weekend) I'm out there. No I'm not on a forum calling any body out, especially bullrun. I'm making a suggestion.

I've got a lot of stuff going on here but it would be refreshing to get to a fresh venue where I don't know anyone and run some game. Here, I know too many people

[ninjamatt]

you never really know why they dipped out. Maybe they were uncomfortable with the deal and realized it's not for them. Maybe they didn't like your particular style.

I don't think it has anything to do with my style. Basically I'll talk the first, oh I don't know, 10-15 minutes with the guy, and he'll be eagerly talking about stuff from the forum or whatever he's read. Flexing the mental muscle if you must. Then at whatever point I decide it's time to get down to brass tacks and start approaching, the excuses come flying. So I say okay whatever, then go into a few sets myself, and he'll pretty much just be standing there listening and occasionally piping in with some non sequitur type shit. So apparently it's cool for him to come into a set I've already opened, but he won't start one himself. I won't even get on the guy about not approaching, because I've pretty much determined he's not going to do it.

Here's some examples/quotes of what I've dealt with (if you know who you are, too bad):

"I usually take a while to get warmed up to the place, and then I start approaching" = stood around the majority of the night, and only took part in sets I opened. Didn't intro himself in, was basically present. Decided home was a better option than going to a place with hotter chicks. Never seen again.

"I've been reading a bunch of material all this time so I just need to go out more" = opened one set which I'm pretty sure he tapped her on the shoulder or just started talking from behind her, and when that eventually ended in a blowout called it a night. Never seen again.

"Thinking too much will get you analysis paralysis" = didn't want to open any sets when I asked, even when I said he could talk to guys as well. Said he had 20 approaches in the last 5 months. I told him just to walk around until he was comfortable with approaching and we'd meet up later. Never seen again.

The moral of the story is most guys will talk the big talk or just love to believe they're in the 10% because they created an account and read some posts that one time. If you'd rather go home than approach on command, what was the point of coming out in the first place? If you want to watch a guy do his thing, there's plenty of videos for that online. And you won't have to be the creepy lingering guy.

Talking shop for a couple hours won't result in either of us emptying our balls all over a chick's face at the end of the night. But approaching 10-20 girls in a night will. Or did you think you were gonna poach one of the girls from the set I opened??

Fuck that shit. Bitch you wasn't with me in the gym lifting these heavy ass weights!

I need to get up with you bull run at a place of your choice. I have sister in downtown dallas i need to come see any way. I wanna see if you are all computer talk or can do something.

It appears Triumvirate has beaten me to the punch, but if anybody is going to talk big game online, I want them to put their money where their mouth is. Within the week. Anybody on this forum who has given half a shit about going out I've already met, or they went to the presentation a few weeks ago. So far you've told me race isn't a factor, your wings are intimidated by your skill, and you could get pretty much any girl you want. I'd love to be humbled by your real ultimate power.

isiman84, I dont think their original intent was to stick to you and just try to get something out of the set you opened. I'm thinking they went out, intending to open, but a lot of people when they actually get there and the moment of truth arrives, they realize then they don't have quite the courage they thought.

One thing I do if I just met a wing and we are getting to know each other in person, prior to approaches, is try to talk about something other than women or pick up material. sports, huntingfishing, work, news stories, anything. I think it gets their mind off women and helps them to avoid over thinking it or stressing out. And usually that's how I approach women and relate to them. Women can pick up on when you are not authentic and just trying to seduce them. If the mindset of the wing is to talk about women and pua material a couple minutes prior, I'm not sure that's real conducive to his success.

You may try, finding a set and doing something simple like asking about another popular venue in the area, then just eject from the set and let your wing see you do that a few times, where he doesn't have the chance to get in to it. You can usually go back to the set later. Women are typically open to talk about other venues they may have been to earlier in the night or the week before,maybe who the band was, were they good, was the food good, whatever. It encourages the newbie wing for a few reasons b/c for one, they can see first hand the girls aren't that hard to open. and it's typically not gonna get you blown out.
When you just met a wing who has approach anxiety, it's not typically good to stay in a set several minutes unless he opened it.

Another way I have pushed some people along is to try to maneuver in to a position he's within arms reach of a girl he might want to open. Then I'm talking to him about something unrelated, then I might say "hey do me a favor , ask that girl....blah blah" maybe something situational. If the dude is shy, it needs to be a simple sentence with a simple answer that has a low probability of having a walk away. but he has to be under the impression, you need your question answered, and he's in a better standing/sitting position to ask. Once he gets that first smile and an answer, and does that a few times, he can start expanding the conversations and then he might be rolling pretty good. If he won't do it, that might be a sign to weed him out.

I would think though, most of the people you are gonna see on these forums think they can do this but find out they are generally terrified of approaching hot women in a nightlife scenario.

[Gunslinger]

The reason you haven't seen me is b/c I live in Little Rock. I've been wanting to come do a weekend in Dallas since October. If I can meet someone one here I'd probably come do it , but I would appreciate if you would pm me maybe I can see a pic of what I'm working with. I'm probably not gonna travel that far unless I can get with someone I think can run similar caliber women. If I come it will need to be before may4 b/c our hotel rooftop parties start then and I do those. also, travs.com has our minor league baseball team schedule. when the team is in town (typically every other weekend) I'm out there. No I'm not on a forum calling any body out, especially bullrun. I'm making a suggestion.

If you don't live in Dallas, or the surrounding cities, I don't see why you are on this forum. There are plenty of pickup related forums you can join to discuss game if that is what you want to do. This forum is for people who live in Dallas. That is because they will meet each other in person, go to events regularly, or help others in person. Even if you used to live here and moved away, you are not currently in the town. I'm not a part of the Seattle lair, you know why? I don't live there. From the sound of what you wrote, you don't plan on moving here anytime soon. You said yourself you won't travel this far unless you can find someone with your same awesome pick up powers. Which makes no sense, if you are so good, why do you need someone else to wing you out here?

If I can meet someone on here I'd probably come do it , but I would appreciate if you would pm me maybe I can see a pic of what I'm working with.

This is an older photo of me, let me know if you need a newer one.

[voyager]

Gunslinger has lost some weight since that picture, but I'd say it gives you a pretty good idea otherwise.

[ninjamatt]

when I first started posting, I believe around October, my work schedule had recently changed where I was off Friday Saturday and Sunday. My plan was to come down about once or twice per month just for a change of scene, visit my sister and do some clubbing if I could find someone on my level. Maybe hook up with someone who came to my town now and then to hang out.I posted about it a couple times and no one responded. I reached out to a couple people, but they said they wouldn't be ready to do it for a few weeks because of certain reasons. But, sometimes I just visit the forum when I'm bored. I guess it's somewhat entertaining.

I'm just not looking to hang out with a big flock of internet newbies or guys that like heavy women, or people suggesting "lets go to a black venue". And I'm not looking to listen to some speaker who had a couple one night stands with a 7 and thinks he's a guru. There's nothing wrong with any of that, but not worth traveling to meet a new person for. So , if one or two of you wanna talk about hooking up some weekend, lets do it. But I want you to have plenty of experience approaching a hot slender mid-late 20's who's blowing everyone else off, and having what it takes to get her number. In other words, I'm looking for a natural, strikingly handsome ,well dressed, and fearless smooth talker to have fun with. As far as what I offer, it would be similar to hanging out with Paul Janka (youtube). I'm maybe a little bit smarter and better dressed but we have a lot of similar principals.

[Gunslinger]

when I first started posting, I believe around October, my work schedule had recently changed where I was off Friday Saturday and Sunday. My plan was to come down about once or twice per month just for a change of scene, visit my sister and do some clubbing if I could find someone on my level. Maybe hook up with someone who came to my town now and then to hang out.I posted about it a couple times and no one responded. I reached out to a couple people, but they said they wouldn't be ready to do it for a few weeks because of certain reasons. But, sometimes I just visit the forum when I'm bored. I guess it's somewhat entertaining.

I'm just not looking to hang out with a big flock of internet newbies or guys that like heavy women, or people suggesting "lets go to a black venue". And I'm not looking to listen to some speaker who had a couple one night stands with a 7 and thinks he's a guru. There's nothing wrong with any of that, but not worth traveling to meet a new person for. So , if one or two of you wanna talk about hooking up some weekend, lets do it. But I want you to have plenty of experience approaching a hot slender mid-late 20's who's blowing everyone else off, and having what it takes to get her number. In other words, I'm looking for a natural, strikingly handsome ,well dressed, and fearless smooth talker to have fun with. As far as what I offer, it would be similar to hanging out with Paul Janka (youtube). I'm maybe a little bit smarter and better dressed but we have a lot of similar principals.

I still don't get why you are here. You don't live here and hardly ever visit. Join a lair from Arkansas.

[Bull Run]

I need to get up with you bull run at a place of your choice. I have sister in downtown dallas i need to come see any way. I wanna see if you are all computer talk or can do something.

You've already 'challenged' me before and I ignored the challenge for a reason. I've been on the boards a long, long time. I've been in the Community for a long, long time. I've never once positioned myself as the highly skilled pick-up artist that you have positioned yourself as. If a call out should come from anywhere it should literally be from any one else on here to you.

I provide advice and perspective based on the game that I run and have run, quite successfully I might add, over the years. Anything I write on these boards about game comes from my personal experience, the successes and the failures, but still my experience. It's very clear that I know my shit and that a lot of the things that I write are not just rehashed from some other 'guru' or other obscure post made on another forum. It's also clear that I don't have all the answers. I still have limiting beliefs about certain things and I work on those things as much as I can to become a more well rounded man...not PUA, but man.

When Mojo and I began talking again about me jumping over to this board to become more active here the discussion he and I had was one of giving back to that which has been so good for me in my life. The tone of conversation was one of facilitating. My sole goal on here is to try to help foster an environment where dialogue is occurring (meangingful dialouge), where we have a vibrant place where guys can discuss pick up and make connections that will transcend to real life interactions, and to have events that facilitate meeting in person. Call me a dinosaur or a keyboard jockey or whatever. I, quite frankly, don't care because that's not my goal and that's not what I've been tasked with here on DallasPUA.

Petty call outs and accusations that this guy is good or not good is a load of bullshit. It always has been and continues to be one of the weird things in the Community. When I was an up and coming noob, I would have bee highly offended and pissed off over a call out. I would have definitely met up with you to prove you wrong. And to prove something to me. But, I'm smarter than that now. I have nothing to prove to you and, perhaps, more importantly I have nothing to prove to myself any longer. If I see a girl I want to approach, I will. I'm no longer purely fueled by the high of closing a girl or the joy of seducing one. Now, I'm more focused on actually cultivating an awesome relationship with a woman and getting to know her as a person. Something less than marriage but more than a casual relationship. Finally, I see the callout for nothing more than it is: the weak trying to pull down the strong, the insecure trying to bludgeon the secure.

I've read a lot of what you write and there's always undertones and mentions of how tight your game is or how much better you are than your wings or how much better looking you are than everyone else in the venue. Blah, blah, blah. It's noise man and it's nausiating to have to filter through all of that garbage to try to find a nugget, or two, of actual, usable advice/knowledge. If you actually believe what you write, then I have no doubt that you do well out there. After all, irrational, unfounded confidence is just as successful at generating attraction as justified confidence.

If I said the things that you do in your posts then I would expect and would rightly deserve a call out. But, I don't. Sure, I might joke about how magnificent my cock is...but that's just schtick, it's just me being playful. Your posts aren't based in any form of humor. I've never pretended to be some 'guru' or bad ass PUA. I have a great skill set and tool kit that works very well for me and the types of women I want to spend my time with...I'm here to try to share my knowledge, not to make a name for myself or talk about how great I am at the seduction arts.

If your game is/was really as tight as you claim then you would never talk about how tight it is. A confident man doesn't think of himself as confident. The humble man doens't recognize his humility. There are a lot of guys on here that you can just tell that they know their shit. You can just tell that they're successful, but they don't talk about how successful they are because they don't need to do so.

[Triumvirate]

Haha. Ninjamatt if you can't handle the heat, stay out the kitchen bro!

How are you going to tell Bullrun I would like to see your skills at a time and place of your choosing then when I call you out you start back-pedaling? If Bullrun would've said let's meet up the week of the 11th, you wouldn't be able to do it because you'd be too busy doing rooftop parties or whatever the hell.

I suggested going to a black venue because you said that you'd be able to seduce at least 50 percent of the women there. Since it would be a "who can get the most numbers" you'd destroy me or anyone else, right?

As far as sending pictures, anyone with any sort of PUA skills knows that overweight, poorly dressed guys can still pull. Yes, pull not get numbers, we play for keeps around here, dude. So what do you really need the pictures of a bunch of dudes for, partner?

Its pretty obvious that unless you are willing to come here and back up your supposed skill, you need to join a forum closer to your house because your credibility here is at zero.

[ninjamatt]

BR, you seem like your online game is awesome. We talked about this before in pm but I had forgot about it when I posted that. I didn't mean to insult you or call you out publicly. Your theory about insecure people pulling others down to boost themselves is something I would agree with on most situations.

Triumptive, I would love to see his skills but I don't really know you though. The black venue comment caught me off guard although we could talk about hanging out.that's why I back-pedaled, BUT I do not necessarily have to go to all of our rooftop parties.

Bullrun, you said things to make me think you realize you don't know everything. I think I could learn from you, and I think you could learn from me. Lets do this any weekend but the coming up, or may4. Pm me, I won't tell anyone about anything that happens. If you are uncomfortable in a nightclub setting, you don't have to say a word in there to anyone but me.

[IsiMan84]

I didn't mean to insult you or call you out publicly. Your theory about insecure people pulling others down to boost themselves is something I would agree with on most situations.

I wanna see if you are all computer talk or can do something.

A large percentage of guys won't hang with me b/c I'm too good at it, and my women are out of their league, and they know I could take almost anything away from them if I want. Most guys I wont hang with b/c they would lower my social value by their dress, appearance, game, whatever.

As far as what I offer, it would be similar to hanging out with Paul Janka (youtube). I'm maybe a little bit smarter and better dressed but we have a lot of similar principals.

Triumptive, I would love to see his skills but I don't really know you though. The black venue comment caught me off guard although we could talk about hanging out.that's why I back-pedaled, BUT I do not necessarily have to go to all of our rooftop parties.

Judging by how black women behave around me, in the club and in the office, my guess is if I wanted, I could seduce a much higher number, maybe close to half. There's some sexy black men in my office who try their damnedest to hook some of the black women and fail, but all I would have to do is snap my fingers to get several.

For those of you just joining us, here's the Cliff's Notes version of this thread.

IsiMan84: I go out with guys from the forum and never see them again. What gives?
voyager: Yea no kidding.
Bull Run: You'll have that. Comes with the territory. That's why I stopped doing it.
ninjamatt: It's probably something you're doing. By the way, I'm too awesome for a wing.
Cordivae: It's not you IsiMan84. I had a good time. Uptown seems harder than Addison though.
Morpheo: If it takes a long time to master, most people won't do it.
Bull Run: Uptown is pretty tough. You won't lose value just for being out alone.
ninjamatt: Bull Run, I agree. But also, you're all talk.
Triumvirate: Dafuq? You've said some crazy stuff, so put your money where your mouth is.
IsiMan84: It's not me. They do no work hoping for a reward. Also...money, mouth.
ninjamatt: Just kidding! I live 317 miles away. And most of you aren't worthy anyway.
Gunslinger: Why bother with this forum then?
Triumvirate: And why bother challenging Bull Run?
ninjamatt: Because I can say whateeeever I want without recourse.
Bull Run: If I wasn't already content with myself, I'd give a crap.
ninjamatt: Damn, you are so zen. This time I'm going to backpedal in the form of faux flattery.