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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:35 am

ok, so ive basically figured out i have no interest in ugly or fat girls. Back when I was at my college and in highschool i managed to get the hotties in interested me.Since then i've really lost my touch. So heres my question, What am I actually dealing with how should I approach the kind of women that I am actually interested because I have no interest in normal girls because before PU I used to be able to get girls infatuated with me pretty fast. I managed to get most of the hotties interested in me but I didn't fuck all of them.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:35 am

Start small, work your way up.

Bag some 'normal' girls, hone your skills, then trade up as you get better. That's pretty much what every aspiring PUA does.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:04 pm

HB 8, 9, and 10's (all girls really) must percieve you are higher value than her for them to be attracted to you. And, the way to do that is to be either a "man of value" (BR has a great thread on this subject) or have really tight game; preferably, a combination of both. If you are high value and have the fundamentals of game internalized, there won't be many girls you won't be able to pull.

BR's advice is great. It helps you build confidence and hone your game-what works and what doesn't. Additionally, you'll get the practice and experience that you'll need to pull hot girls.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:56 pm

I contribute a lot of my past success to climbing the ladder. I started off boinking girls that were about 6's...hell I even dipped down into the 5 range on possibly one occasion. From there I slowly crawled my way out of the dredges and eventually moved up to some high quality poon.

I recommend this approach to everyone. If you are currently not getting laid and want to start, you really need to start somewhere. How picky can you really be if you are currently wacking off and don't know the affection of a woman? You must start off in the lower spectrum's, build confidence, and then rise.

I can't tell you exactly what it is, some sort of invisible halo that adorns your skull, but once you start getting laid you will get laid more. It is as if the girls can sense it and find you more attractive. Girls love guys who have other girls interested in them. Girls love guys who are sleeping with other girls, in the beginning at least. They love the fact that you can get other girls, that other girls are attracted to you. This reinstates their reasoning for finding your attractive as well.

Not only will banging a few not as hot hotties boost your confidence, it feels amazing having girls basically cherish you. If you are much higher level than the girl you are banging she will really look up to you. She will do whatever you desire. She will try extra hard to please you. You will be able to get away with anything you want. This comes in handy for when you eventually move on up to the hotter girls. It truly helps to have the mindset that you are 2 levels above her. Even the hottest girls you really need to feel like she is below you, if you don't she will walk all over you. She will pull crazy shit and get away with it because you are constantly chasing her, constantly trying to please her. You have now become the not so hot hottie.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:35 pm

[QUOTE=Prodigy;40655]HB 8, 9, and 10's (all girls really) must percieve you are higher value than her for them to be attracted to you. And, the way to do that is to be either a "man of value" (BR has a great thread on this subject) or have really tight game; preferably, a combination of both. If you are high value and have the fundamentals of game internalized, there won't be many girls you won't be able to pull.

BR's advice is great. It helps you build confidence and hone your game-what works and what doesn't. Additionally, you'll get the practice and experience that you'll need to pull hot girls.[/QUOTE]

I agree a 100% with you. I had really good game under my own method except my weakness was handling logistics and it still is under my circumstances(I live 45-50 minutes away from SCs and NCs). I actually posted this because with myself I am utterly oblivious to how I manage to get girls. I just know that what i do works for me. I was literally the life of the party to my friends and I would be a man of value by being hilarious and the center of attention(which women took note of).
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:50 pm

[QUOTE=playercool;40658]I contribute a lot of my past success to climbing the ladder. I started off boinking girls that were about 6's...hell I even dipped down into the 5 range on possibly one occasion. From there I slowly crawled my way out of the dredges and eventually moved up to some high quality poon.

I recommend this approach to everyone. If you are currently not getting laid and want to start, you really need to start somewhere. How picky can you really be if you are currently wacking off and don't know the affection of a woman? You must start off in the lower spectrum's, build confidence, and then rise.

I can't tell you exactly what it is, some sort of invisible halo that adorns your skull, but once you start getting laid you will get laid more. It is as if the girls can sense it and find you more attractive. Girls love guys who have other girls interested in them. Girls love guys who are sleeping with other girls, in the beginning at least. They love the fact that you can get other girls, that other girls are attracted to you. This reinstates their reasoning for finding your attractive as well.

Not only will banging a few not as hot hotties boost your confidence, it feels amazing having girls basically cherish you. If you are much higher level than the girl you are banging she will really look up to you. She will do whatever you desire. She will try extra hard to please you. You will be able to get away with anything you want. This comes in handy for when you eventually move on up to the hotter girls. It truly helps to have the mindset that you are 2 levels above her. Even the hottest girls you really need to feel like she is below you, if you don't she will walk all over you. She will pull crazy shit and get away with it because you are constantly chasing her, constantly trying to please her. You have now become the not so hot hottie.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree but for ugly chicks its super hard to care because I literally find that to be a waste of time. I don't do to bad, most of the time(last few months i've gotten 1-2 a month) except I'm not as fast i would like to be(it takes me somewhere between several dates to 2 weeks before I fuck the girl) and I aggravate myself doing so because I know I can do better. So to me, normal/ugly girls are kind of a waste of time to me because I could get the Hotties interested in me and hookup with them because I would do nothing besides pissing myself off because I would not be meeting my own standards, which in my eyes is unforgivable to myself.
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Postby Guest » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:58 am

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Maenad you've asked me and several other members on here for advice for various different things. You make posts like the one you did here and you send out PMs. I know that you're getting feedback AND you're getting feedback from guys that KNOW what we're doing because we've been doing it for so long.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Sure, we all have different outlooks, perspectives, and styles but we all know what works for us and we actively use those skills.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]T[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]he funny thing is that all of us generally employ the same basic skills set. Indifference, projecting value (value can be described in so many different ways), cocky/funny, etc., etc. You're getting amazing feedback yet you don't want to accept this feedback. This is one of your problems, you're not listening.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]PC, Prodigy, and I all said learn to crawl before you walk. Start with 5s and 6s then work your way up as you hone and tighten your Game. Yet, you refuse to do so. That's fine, I suppose, but it's the same pattern.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]You ask, "hey guys how do you do xyz?" Then, we say "you do this, that, and so forth." Then you respond with, "yeah, but I don't need/want to because I used to have Game and then I lost Game." You're not willing to change and let go of the past.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]The reality is that if it’s taking you several dates/weeks to bed a sub 7 then you’ve got a lot of Game you need to work on tightening up. And, since you don’t give two shits about these girls they’ll be the best ones to practice with. It’ll help you get comfortable with the indifference dynamic, the mentality of being able to walk away, and the idea that you’re more important than them. You need those weapons to slay the hotties.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Further, you need to understand, and someday, for your sake, I hope you will that having 'Game' in high school means absolutely nothing. There is no such thing as 'Game' in high school. The girls went after the guys with the nicest clothes, the coolest cars, the bad attitude, or the most physically gifted. I was NONE of those things in high school and I rarely had girls interested in me, rarely. Same with most of my group of friends, save for one that drove a brand new GT Mustang. Yeah, he had a girlfriend that specifically said that she dated him only because he had a hot car (they ended up getting married, he's miserable today, so as I was jealous of him oh so long ago, he's now jealous of me today…full circle).[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Game evolves as you grow. What works in high school does not work in college, what worked in college doesn’t work in your 20’s, what worked in your 20’s doesn’t work as well in your 30’s, etc., etc., etc. Of all types of Game, high school is absolutely the most superficial. If you’ve ever seen the movie The Breakfast Club you’ll understand what I’m talking about. High school values are just skewed and immature.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]In the movie, there are five kids that have to spend a Saturday together in detention. There's the rich girl, the criminal/bad boy, the basket case, the jock, and the brain. The rich girl has value because her parents have money, she wears nice clothes, and she’s moderately attractive (I never thought she was all that hot). The bad boy has value because he’s got the confidence to dress differently, act out, and fight back against authority. The jock has value because of his physical prowess. The basket case had no value, until the rich girl gave her a make-over, making her hot (for the 80’s that is). Look at the values on that list:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]-Money[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]-Beauty[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]-Physical prowess[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]-Confidence[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]The last character, the brain, was the smart guy. The responsible guy. The nerd. He voted, did his homework, was a member of academic clubs, and was generally socially awkward. “A parent’s wet dream.” In high school, this guy has no value. None. And, it shows in the movie.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]By the end of the film, the jock and the, now beautiful, basket case end up together. The rich girl and the criminal/bad boy end up together. And, the brain, ends up writing a very nice letter to the teacher watching them while they spent a Saturday in detention discovering who they were. One could argue that these dynamics never really change, and I agree (kind of). But, with a little bit of Game and work, the brain could be able to pull pussy just as easily as the criminal and the jock. In the long run, I’d put my money on the brain. Because, in the end, the smart guy wins. We see that time and time again. If he learns to mimic behavior of the criminal/bad boy with respect to women then the guy will be unstoppable. Seriously.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]The brain goes home alone in high school, he has no women, and so he works to improve his value. The criminal/bad boy and the jock got pussy in high school so they never think that they need to change as they grow up. They will stay the same. And, as time goes on, their physical prowess with fade and being a bad boy will no longer be endearing. Eventually, they’ll wonder why they aren’t pulling pussy like they did back in the day. I saw this dynamic first hand at my 10 year high school reunion.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]As for the days when you were witty and funny, well, no offense but I would contend that that was a byproduct of having one form of the superficial high school value traits that I outlined earlier (money, looks, physical prowess, confidence). If you go by what a lot of the guys on this board that know me in real life say about me I’m a pretty witty and funny guy. Always have been really. It’s just been something I’ve had my whole life. In high school, no one laughed. No one cared. I didn’t have any of the value traits that are so important in high school so I was ignored. Instead, the jock with the brand new Camaro that sat next to me in class was the funny and witty one. When a girl likes you, she thinks you’re witty and funny, even if you are not…especially in high school.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]You’re living in a new world now. I’m glad you were able to pull hotties back in high school but that doesn’t appear to be working now. I suggest you let go of the past and listen to what we’re telling you.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]This Community has seen guys like you come and go because they would ask for advice, we’d give it, then they wouldn’t follow it. Over time, their posts became more and more poisonous and filled with rage and frustration from their constant inability to actually pull girls. What they wanted was the results but they didn’t want to put in the work. They wanted the WORLD to change and bend to their will not the other way around.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]I can assure you that they’re still sitting around being frustrated and lonely, growing more angry by the day all because they weren’t willing to change.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]We can give you advice but only you can help yourself.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]The choice is yours…[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Postby Guest » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:12 am

Maenad- let me tell you something.......you will fail more times than not when you make "sex" your ultimate goal. These girls have super radar for that and will make sure it doesn't happen. The one who cares the least is awarded with the most power! So quit caring and let it fall into your lap. If you're as good as you think you are.........it will happen.

The best thing you can do to make your self successful is to: Be yourself, quit being outcome dependent, forget all these silly pua tricks, and do your thing. Talk to girls because you want to know them as a person...not a sex object and watch their defense mechanisms vanish.

I've never been one to mess with ugly girls either for the same reasons you've said. However when I began this journey there were definitely a few 6's-7's. As I sharpened my skills & increased my value I got better and better women and put up with less bs. I achieved the results I wanted because I put in the leg work to build the foundation these guys speak of. Sometimes you gotta take a few steps back to go forward. :D Check your past and your ego at the door because if what you did in your past isn't working then you need to make some changes.

You'll notice that the most successful men in business built a solid foundation. It works the same with women. Life is pretty much a series of building blocks. I see some cracks in your foundation.

I challenge you to start posting some field reports and we can give you some pointers to make yourself more successful.
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Postby Guest » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:41 am

BR, UH, bravo. Excellent posts!!
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Postby Guest » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:58 am

[QUOTE=maenad;40649]ok, so ive basically figured out i have no interest in ugly or fat girls. Back when I was at my college and in highschool i managed to get the hotties in interested me.Since then i've really lost my touch. So heres my question, What am I actually dealing with how should I approach the kind of women that I am actually interested because I have no interest in normal girls because before PU I used to be able to get girls infatuated with me pretty fast. I managed to get most of the hotties interested in me but I didn't fuck all of them.[/QUOTE]

Listen to what the guys on the board are telling you. You have asked me for advice as well, and its cool man for real, but what are you doing to implement said advice???

Sounds to me like you want a particular outcome before putting in the ground work. Also, focussing on your past is only killing your present... Let go of your past, dont compare it to your future because you are only creating issues. Youre growing up, things change, its no longer cool to be the class clown. It isnt necessary to be the center of attention either. People can always pick up on the guy that is attention seeking. So dont worry about that anymore. Instead just be you. Accept that being you is ok no matter what.

I was in a year long relationship with a very average looking girl in 2010... I guess you could say I downgraded in the looks category maybe, but I was extremely happy for quite a while. She invested in me and supplicated to me soo much it was extremely rewarding and a major confidence booster. The sex was absouletly amazing with that girl and there was almost nothing she wouldnt allow me to do...
And I learned quite a bit from that relationship as well.

Now I'm in a relationship with a very attractive girl. But I couldnt be with this current girl if it wasnt for the relationship experience I have obtained. Beauty is arbritrary when it comes to relationships. Women are women regardless where they land on the cheap physcial beauty scale.

Average girls are not a waste of time at all. Most of the coolest chics ive ever met were average looking chics. Average looking chics will often times have hotter girlfriends. Use that to your advantage. Preselection is common knowledge dude, make it work.

Ive read some of your posts. I think what you want is within your reach eventually, but right now you have alot to learn. You are looking past soo much opportunity.
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