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Postby Guest » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:28 pm

[QUOTE=Bull Run;40511]I read somewhere...[/QUOTE]
What about a good mother? Matter at all you think? Didn't see it mentioned and I know plastic barbie can have a hard time there in particular.
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Postby Guest » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:39 pm

[QUOTE=grimm1111;40520]Value is what makes a girl invest. Hell, it's what makes anyone invest. And once someone has invested, then it is harder and harder to break away.

What kind of value do you think this guy brings to the relationship?

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She looks bored as shit and not that into him, I assume what power he does bring is social standing and money, and that's about it. She has no respect for him at all and I am betting, she will jump ship should she find someone handsome with at least 50% of what this guy actually brings to the table.
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Postby Guest » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:05 pm

^^

That is Flavio Biatore, the father of Heidi Klum's first child. He dumped her for another woman. Now he's married to a 28 year old wonderbra model.

He is the team manager of an Italian Formula 1 racecar.

He's worth about 200 million bucks, and over half of his wealth is in a yacht he bought worth over 100 million.

[QUOTE=Finesse;40523]She looks bored as shit and not that into him, I assume what power he does bring is social standing and money, and that's about it. She has no respect for him at all and I am betting, she will jump ship should she find someone handsome with at least 50% of what this guy actually brings to the table.[/QUOTE]
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:46 am

[QUOTE=Welsh_Dragon;40522]What about a good mother? Matter at all you think? Didn't see it mentioned and I know plastic barbie can have a hard time there in particular.[/QUOTE]



At one time it DID matter but that was when society emphasized the importance of family as a role model and it was accepted that family was intregal in a woman's decision making process regarding love and marriage.

How often have you heard that chivalry is dead? Well, it is. Feminism killed it, there's that 'ism' for you Grimm. Here's what I mean. The idea of chivalry is that you treat your lady better than all other ladies AND that you treat women, in general, with 'gentleness.' But, what was the purpose of said behavior? Most people believe that it was to show the woman that you were courting what a good man you are, but we all know that women do not make romantic decisions based on being put on a pedestal. They don't make romantic decisions based on how nice or well a man treats them. No, they make decisions based on how a man made them feel and women don't feel a whole lot when a man is nice to them (especially during a time when it was expected and common place to treat women very well).

Instead, the purpose of chivalry was to show respect to the woman as a way of proving to the woman's family that you are a viable long-term mate. The idea was that if you prove to the family that you are virtuous and will treat their daughter better than all other women then you would make an acceptable husband. The man was chivalrous towards the woman only because it was required by the family. Remember, the father, mother, and grand parents were the ones that made the decision about who a girl could and could not marry. This arrangement still exists in India. Chivalry is very much alive over there, along with the payment of a dowry from the woman's family to the man's family.

So, at one point, the mother did matter.

Today things are different. Women, generally, do not care what their family thinks of a man. As such, there is no reason for a man to be chivalrous, which led to the death of chivalry.

My point is that having a good mother is one thing, shit I had a great mother and I still ended up becoming a bit of a dog, but in a world where the mother, father, grand parents, etc have little to no say in a woman's, or man's, romantic decisions then their presence is pretty much moot.

The pressure from the family FORCED a woman to ignore her biological desires, which is to fuck as many alpha males as possible, and made her make a rational decision regarding a life partner based on the ability of the man courting her to provide, protect, and care for her and her offspring. Like I said, this type of structure was created to ensure that beta males had women to reproduce with AND to ensure that women did not end up raising her offspring alone. It was a win-win situtation. Sure, it seems like a controlling type of institution. But, when women make decisions based on their emotions, which almost always end up being wrong, then you can understand why it was a necessary institution.

Without the pressure of the family, women are just running around making decisions based off of who makes their pussy the most wet. Simple as that.
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:16 pm

[QUOTE=Bull Run;40527]At one time it DID matter but that was when society emphasized the importance of family as a role model and it was accepted that family was intregal in a woman's decision making process regarding love and marriage.

How often have you heard that chivalry is dead? Well, it is. Feminism killed it, there's that 'ism' for you Grimm. Here's what I mean. The idea of chivalry is that you treat your lady better than all other ladies AND that you treat women, in general, with 'gentleness.' But, what was the purpose of said behavior? Most people believe that it was to show the woman that you were courting what a good man you are, but we all know that women do not make romantic decisions based on being put on a pedestal. They don't make romantic decisions based on how nice or well a man treats them. No, they make decisions based on how a man made them feel and women don't feel a whole lot when a man is nice to them (especially during a time when it was expected and common place to treat women very well).

Instead, the purpose of chivalry was to show respect to the woman as a way of proving to the woman's family that you are a viable long-term mate. The idea was that if you prove to the family that you are virtuous and will treat their daughter better than all other women then you would make an acceptable husband. The man was chivalrous towards the woman only because it was required by the family. Remember, the father, mother, and grand parents were the ones that made the decision about who a girl could and could not marry. This arrangement still exists in India. Chivalry is very much alive over there, along with the payment of a dowry from the woman's family to the man's family.

So, at one point, the mother did matter.

Today things are different. Women, generally, do not care what their family thinks of a man. As such, there is no reason for a man to be chivalrous, which led to the death of chivalry.

My point is that having a good mother is one thing, shit I had a great mother and I still ended up becoming a bit of a dog, but in a world where the mother, father, grand parents, etc have little to no say in a woman's, or man's, romantic decisions then their presence is pretty much moot.

The pressure from the family FORCED a woman to ignore her biological desires, which is to fuck as many alpha males as possible, and made her make a rational decision regarding a life partner based on the ability of the man courting her to provide, protect, and care for her and her offspring. Like I said, this type of structure was created to ensure that beta males had women to reproduce with AND to ensure that women did not end up raising her offspring alone. It was a win-win situtation. Sure, it seems like a controlling type of institution. But, when women make decisions based on their emotions, which almost always end up being wrong, then you can understand why it was a necessary institution.

Without the pressure of the family, women are just running around making decisions based off of who makes their pussy the most wet. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
By my above statement I specifically meant "good mother" as in somebody you would want to trust with raising your own child. I read so much on these boards about the quest for the "perfect 10" blonde barbie, which is pretty immature and definitely short sighted IMO. I mean sure - MAYBE she is good for a quick hitter. Those girls worth a study on the psycological front re. game. And I suppose that sells methods/books to the lesser brained types but ultimately we grow up a bit and move on from this thinking.

Some (classy) women choose on more than the BS douchy criteria seen in many bar scenarios. If the girl is hitting you up for coke does that scream "perfect 10" to you? Who cares how she looks and what she is willing to do. Hookers will do the same thing. Surely there is scope for "turning the tables" here and expecting no less than normal, cool behaviour from a partner at all times and irrespective of her looks. Otherwise it's sayonara beyotch! A real man can stamp his authority over any trash whore with looks by dismissing her on other criteria (which she deep down knows she should be dismissed on. Why else is she turned off by supplication to her looks?).

Anyway good to hear from you BR hope you are well. Sometimes I wonder that over exposure to the bad tends to cloud the fact some worthy ones do exist, if you look hard enough..
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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:02 pm

[QUOTE=Bull Run;40527]Feminism killed it, there's that 'ism' for you Grimm. Here's what I mean.... [/QUOTE]

It's OK dude. So are robots going to take over the world next?

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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:16 pm

Here's another example. So I was just now at Whole Foods, I went there for groceries obviously and since I've been bedridden and sick for the last couple days, I look like absolute crap with my hair uncombed, unshowered, haven't brushed my teeth, probably stink, etc. and I've still got a fever.

I notice this hottie in the aisle. Why not. I walk up and I'm like "where's the peanut butter in this joint?" I sound like the crypt keeper from tales from the crypt...great show btw they never should have canceled it.

At first she looks confused that some bum is talking to her, then she smiles, then I get her laughing. She's all "I was just over there, here I'll walk you over there." And we started chatting about this and that for a few minutes. I got her number.

Now this girl in the checkout is watching all of this. When I go to check out, first I pretend like I'm not going to that lane, but then I do my Lebron James fadeaway move and kick it back to her lane. She started some conversation about the bread I was buying, IDK, but she was turning beat red and looking down and I could just tell this girl wanted my nuts so I was just like "hey let's grab a coffee this week." And I got her # too.

That's a two-fer. At the whole foods, while sick, looking like crap, etc etc.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:47 am

[QUOTE=grimm1111;40531]It's OK dude. So are robots going to take over the world next?[/QUOTE]


I know you're just busting my balls here brother but I'm not a kook or conspiracy theorist or any of that bullshit. The way I see it, life is a game. There are rules, moves or plays, and outcomes. There are winners and losers. All I'm doing is identifying MACRO level dynamics that impact MICRO outcomes.

To turn a blind eye to the broader environment in which we live is to not acknowledge the rules of the game we're playing. How can one win a game if they do not understand the rules and how to manipulate, get around, or subvert them? The short answer is that you cannot.

Simply sitting around and worrying only about your micro world is not enough, it's important to understand how the broader social structures are putting pressure on your life and your life's outcomes.

When one crafts a theory one starts broad and tapers it down to the specific. By studying the dynamics that are occurring throughout our society I am better educated and prepared to live my life in the best way possible.

I'm not complaining, bitching, moaning, or groaning about the broader dynamics in our society. I'm not trying to convince someone that my perspective is correct. I'm not trying to extort money or push an agenda. I'm definitely NOT bored. I'm simply trying to understand what's going on in our world in the hopes that by doing so I can create a game plan that will give me the greatest chance at success given the direction I wish to take my life.

It's that simple.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:32 am

[QUOTE=Welsh_Dragon;40529]By my above statement I specifically meant "good mother" as in somebody you would want to trust with raising your own child. I read so much on these boards about the quest for the "perfect 10" blonde barbie, which is pretty immature and definitely short sighted IMO. I mean sure - MAYBE she is good for a quick hitter. Those girls worth a study on the psycological front re. game. And I suppose that sells methods/books to the lesser brained types but ultimately we grow up a bit and move on from this thinking.

Some (classy) women choose on more than the BS douchy criteria seen in many bar scenarios. If the girl is hitting you up for coke does that scream "perfect 10" to you? Who cares how she looks and what she is willing to do. Hookers will do the same thing. Surely there is scope for "turning the tables" here and expecting no less than normal, cool behaviour from a partner at all times and irrespective of her looks. Otherwise it's sayonara beyotch! A real man can stamp his authority over any trash whore with looks by dismissing her on other criteria (which she deep down knows she should be dismissed on. Why else is she turned off by supplication to her looks?).

Anyway good to hear from you BR hope you are well. Sometimes I wonder that over exposure to the bad tends to cloud the fact some worthy ones do exist, if you look hard enough..[/QUOTE]


Oh, I misread what you meant by good mother.

Sure, that comes into play but I think being a woman and being a mother go hand in hand. If you find a good woman then chances are you'll find a good potential mother as well.

I, on the other hand, could care less if she's cut out to be a good mother. I don't want to have children so that's just a moot point for me.

I think it's interesting how a few on here intrepret what I write as me being jaded. I'm not, not in the least. I know that there are a few good ones out there and I spend a lot of time sifting through the mud to find the gold. Do I think there is more mud and less gold today than say 60 years ago? Maybe you could argue that, maybe you can't. I don't know nor do I care. I live in the now, pining for the days of old is counter productive.

For me, there's a very clear line of demarcation. I understand the dynamics at work in our society regarding men and women. I get it. There is blame to be cast all around. This is a macro level trend and I have little to no impact on this social wave. The key is for me to understand it and to use it to my advantage the best way I possibly can. One can understand the negative pressures at work WITHOUT allowing those pressures to blacken one's soul and outlook. It's a fine line but it can be walked and that's what I'm doing.

I always like your perspective Welsh, but that goes without saying. Hope things are good brother.
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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:35 pm

I'm having a little fun at your expense. But if you seriously think about it Bull Run, you can't affect any of these "macro" trends. I have delusions of grandeur sometimes, but hell I'm just one man working in this pie stand. The best strategy is to focus your efforts on what you can affect - YOU. Now sure, understanding the big picture helps make sense of the practical stuff, I don't disagree with that. But there's a fine line that's easy to cross.

It's easy to go thru the world with goggles. It's easy to see the world thru a lens of expectation, and that lens actually distorts reality, and blinds you to possibilities you might have experienced otherwise. I'm glad to hear you haven't given up on all American women. I realize there's a lot of shit to sift through to get to the good ones. We all need to screen. That's a hallmark trait of a man of value.

[QUOTE=Bull Run;40540]I know you're just busting my balls here brother but I'm not a kook or conspiracy theorist or any of that bullshit. The way I see it, life is a game. There are rules, moves or plays, and outcomes. There are winners and losers. All I'm doing is identifying MACRO level dynamics that impact MICRO outcomes.

To turn a blind eye to the broader environment in which we live is to not acknowledge the rules of the game we're playing. How can one win a game if they do not understand the rules and how to manipulate, get around, or subvert them? The short answer is that you cannot.

Simply sitting around and worrying only about your micro world is not enough, it's important to understand how the broader social structures are putting pressure on your life and your life's outcomes.

When one crafts a theory one starts broad and tapers it down to the specific. By studying the dynamics that are occurring throughout our society I am better educated and prepared to live my life in the best way possible.

I'm not complaining, bitching, moaning, or groaning about the broader dynamics in our society. I'm not trying to convince someone that my perspective is correct. I'm not trying to extort money or push an agenda. I'm definitely NOT bored. I'm simply trying to understand what's going on in our world in the hopes that by doing so I can create a game plan that will give me the greatest chance at success given the direction I wish to take my life.

It's that simple.[/QUOTE]
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