Totally get you man... I just hit 40 this year and have been in the community for 3 years now and I completely feel your pain. I went through that phase too. And then I discovered wine bars, wine clubs and lunge type of places. These venues draw a 28+ crowd and I find them more mature. I have done many day2s and day 3s and a few lays with attorneys, doctors and professional girls from here and I find that they match up to my intellectual level. The problem is that I find that they don't respond well to a sexual game that the college age or general bar fly girls respond too. So I have had to tone my sexuality down.
Not sure if this is a problem for you, but I find that the girls who can handle my sexuality don't measure up intellectually and the girls who can handle my intellect cant handle my sexuality. Thats the learning phase I am going through right now.
Hope that helps...good luck.
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by Guest » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:02 pm
[QUOTE=knight rose;38396]Totally get you man... I just hit 40 this year and have been in the community for 3 years now and I completely feel your pain. I went through that phase too. And then I discovered wine bars, wine clubs and lunge type of places. These venues draw a 28+ crowd and I find them more mature. I have done many day2s and day 3s and a few lays with attorneys, doctors and professional girls from here and I find that they match up to my intellectual level. The problem is that I find that they don't respond well to a sexual game that the college age or general bar fly girls respond too. So I have had to tone my sexuality down.
Not sure if this is a problem for you, but I find that the girls who can handle my sexuality don't measure up intellectually and the girls who can handle my intellect cant handle my sexuality. Thats the learning phase I am going through right now.
Hope that helps...good luck.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'll never understand why someone would seek out an intellectual equal in the female population. I want women to stimulate my COCKer Spaniel...not my mind.
Not sure if this is a problem for you, but I find that the girls who can handle my sexuality don't measure up intellectually and the girls who can handle my intellect cant handle my sexuality. Thats the learning phase I am going through right now.
Hope that helps...good luck.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'll never understand why someone would seek out an intellectual equal in the female population. I want women to stimulate my COCKer Spaniel...not my mind.
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by Guest » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:08 am
[QUOTE=Bull Run]I guess I'll never understand why someone would seek out an intellectual equal in the female population. I want women to stimulate my COCKer Spaniel...not my mind. [/QUOTE]
I suppose it all boils down to wants. My father once told me that...If you date a smart girl, tell her she is pretty. If you date a pretty girl, tell her she is smart. If you date a smart and pretty girl.. well son, your screwed!
I guess I am a masochist.
Now back to the main thread. I have read everything posted here, and I really appreciate you guys giving me feedback on this. There are some really great insights and suggestions. I am glad that I am not the only one that is feeling this and trying to work my way through it. About the self improvement aspects that you guys brought up, I agree. I look better, and present better to others now then at any other part of my life. Mainly because of what I have learned in the community this past 9 months. It's my hope that I continue to get better.
So I have learned a few things on my own as well. Some truths that I have established if you will. One of these truths governs what makes me want to approach a woman and overcome AA. For me physical attraction is only part of the equation for really wanting to approach. What a man (I) feels for a woman when he sees her and wants to approach is really a combination of emotions. Curiosity is the main thing I feel when I really want to approach, and the other is physical. I never understood this about myself until recently.
Now all that was to say this, in my life, I have never had problems approaching when I have physical attraction and I am really curious about someone. The issue is, frankly that I am just not that curious about most women. Sure, alot of women dress flamboyantly to create physical attraction, but there is something... ethereal about a woman who can also generate curiosity within me. Before my pick-up days, I have been really truly attracted enough (curious and physical) to approach 2 women. I can remember each one distinctly. Now I had approached others, but mainly that was about sex, both in my AFC days, and now in my PU learning.
I guess what is really bothering me is that I just can't seem to find women who make me curious as well as horny. In my daily meanderings what I want is to find the women who inspire me to want to get off my ass and approach them! To generate inside of me curiosity as well as lust. This is what I am having problems with.
The mental sewage part of this is that I am just not sure if this is my problem or theirs. Seduction and Pickup teaches that when something in an interaction goes wrong, it is your fault and you need to deal with it. That's what a man does, he deals with problems. However, before there is an interaction, is it my fault for not finding 95% of women out there stimulating beyond their pussy? Or is it their fault for not working on themselves enough to engage my curiosity? Thanks to you guys, I have the mental clarity to be able to ask this question now.
So the options opened to me are to bide my time and make the most of it that I can. Use the skills I have learned, and continually sharpen the saw for that hopeful day when I do see that ethereal creature.
I suppose it all boils down to wants. My father once told me that...If you date a smart girl, tell her she is pretty. If you date a pretty girl, tell her she is smart. If you date a smart and pretty girl.. well son, your screwed!
I guess I am a masochist.
Now back to the main thread. I have read everything posted here, and I really appreciate you guys giving me feedback on this. There are some really great insights and suggestions. I am glad that I am not the only one that is feeling this and trying to work my way through it. About the self improvement aspects that you guys brought up, I agree. I look better, and present better to others now then at any other part of my life. Mainly because of what I have learned in the community this past 9 months. It's my hope that I continue to get better.
So I have learned a few things on my own as well. Some truths that I have established if you will. One of these truths governs what makes me want to approach a woman and overcome AA. For me physical attraction is only part of the equation for really wanting to approach. What a man (I) feels for a woman when he sees her and wants to approach is really a combination of emotions. Curiosity is the main thing I feel when I really want to approach, and the other is physical. I never understood this about myself until recently.
Now all that was to say this, in my life, I have never had problems approaching when I have physical attraction and I am really curious about someone. The issue is, frankly that I am just not that curious about most women. Sure, alot of women dress flamboyantly to create physical attraction, but there is something... ethereal about a woman who can also generate curiosity within me. Before my pick-up days, I have been really truly attracted enough (curious and physical) to approach 2 women. I can remember each one distinctly. Now I had approached others, but mainly that was about sex, both in my AFC days, and now in my PU learning.
I guess what is really bothering me is that I just can't seem to find women who make me curious as well as horny. In my daily meanderings what I want is to find the women who inspire me to want to get off my ass and approach them! To generate inside of me curiosity as well as lust. This is what I am having problems with.
The mental sewage part of this is that I am just not sure if this is my problem or theirs. Seduction and Pickup teaches that when something in an interaction goes wrong, it is your fault and you need to deal with it. That's what a man does, he deals with problems. However, before there is an interaction, is it my fault for not finding 95% of women out there stimulating beyond their pussy? Or is it their fault for not working on themselves enough to engage my curiosity? Thanks to you guys, I have the mental clarity to be able to ask this question now.
So the options opened to me are to bide my time and make the most of it that I can. Use the skills I have learned, and continually sharpen the saw for that hopeful day when I do see that ethereal creature.
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by Guest » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:31 am
[QUOTE=traxxus;38399]So the options opened to me are to bide my time and make the most of it that I can. Use the skills I have learned, and continually sharpen the saw for that hopeful day when I do see that ethereal creature.[/QUOTE]
I'm drunk, tired, and high on coke...caine that is.
But, this is the problem my friend. And, I want you to understand that what I'm saying is coming from the very depths of my mind. This is from the core of me. Being drunk, tired, and high will do that to you ;)
Re-read that sentence.
"Make the most of it that I can" - on the surface, that's strong. But, the I can part cuts of it into being insecure. You will make the most of it. Period. Nothing more to say.
"That hopeful day" - do not let Fate be the one that decides the outcome of your life my friend. She is a cruel mistress and should never be trusted to serve your best interests. As a man, that is your job. The only Fate is that which we create.
"Ethereal creature" - When you live is THIS world, why would you ever search for some thing that is not of THIS world? This makes zero sense.
Happiness comes from within my friend. When I read what you just wrote, I can only come to the conclusion that you are searching for your savior, you muse, your motivation, your purpose. Sadly, you will never find such a thing outside of the world of YOU.
If you want to find your purpose, your muse, your motivation, your savior look no further than in the mirror. When you understand that life is meant to be lived by you, for you, then and only then, will you have opened yourself to true opportunities for happiness.
Women, children, friends, foes, strangers, dogs (but not cats), and family are drawn to a person that has reached the pinnacle of personal development:
Self-actualization
"What a man can be, he must be." - Abraham Maslow
Pick-up teaches us very valuable lessons. Unfortunately, it takes engaging the outside world to understand the importance of those lessons. To understand that we are worthy of all of the things that we believe that we are worth of attaining. To understand that we have value, a purpose, a meaning to our lives.
But, at some point, you have to take those lessons with a grain of salt. Validation is important. We see it every day on the Internet, in the bars from women that pretty themselves up so that we approach them. A number close, kiss close, fuck close provide us with the same validation that women receive when a man shows them any level of romantic interest. Pick-up teaches us how to find that validation. Pick-up teaches us how to prove to OURSELVES that we are worthy of love, affection, attention, and intimacy.
The fact is that pick-up builds the base. It teaches an entire generation of men that their life is worth living.
"We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives." - Tyler Durden, Fight Club
That's us man. That's our life. But, we're fighting the good fight. We're pushing back against our culture and saying: "No!!!! I demand to be treated like the Man that I am!!! Suck it!!!"
Stay the path my friend. Fight through the bitterness. Forge that solid, steel foundation of the man you want to be, and, then, you'll never have to worry about women ever again.
It all starts with you...don't concern yourself with silly, little girls...
I'm drunk, tired, and high on coke...caine that is.
But, this is the problem my friend. And, I want you to understand that what I'm saying is coming from the very depths of my mind. This is from the core of me. Being drunk, tired, and high will do that to you ;)
Re-read that sentence.
"Make the most of it that I can" - on the surface, that's strong. But, the I can part cuts of it into being insecure. You will make the most of it. Period. Nothing more to say.
"That hopeful day" - do not let Fate be the one that decides the outcome of your life my friend. She is a cruel mistress and should never be trusted to serve your best interests. As a man, that is your job. The only Fate is that which we create.
"Ethereal creature" - When you live is THIS world, why would you ever search for some thing that is not of THIS world? This makes zero sense.
Happiness comes from within my friend. When I read what you just wrote, I can only come to the conclusion that you are searching for your savior, you muse, your motivation, your purpose. Sadly, you will never find such a thing outside of the world of YOU.
If you want to find your purpose, your muse, your motivation, your savior look no further than in the mirror. When you understand that life is meant to be lived by you, for you, then and only then, will you have opened yourself to true opportunities for happiness.
Women, children, friends, foes, strangers, dogs (but not cats), and family are drawn to a person that has reached the pinnacle of personal development:
Self-actualization
"What a man can be, he must be." - Abraham Maslow
Pick-up teaches us very valuable lessons. Unfortunately, it takes engaging the outside world to understand the importance of those lessons. To understand that we are worthy of all of the things that we believe that we are worth of attaining. To understand that we have value, a purpose, a meaning to our lives.
But, at some point, you have to take those lessons with a grain of salt. Validation is important. We see it every day on the Internet, in the bars from women that pretty themselves up so that we approach them. A number close, kiss close, fuck close provide us with the same validation that women receive when a man shows them any level of romantic interest. Pick-up teaches us how to find that validation. Pick-up teaches us how to prove to OURSELVES that we are worthy of love, affection, attention, and intimacy.
The fact is that pick-up builds the base. It teaches an entire generation of men that their life is worth living.
"We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives." - Tyler Durden, Fight Club
That's us man. That's our life. But, we're fighting the good fight. We're pushing back against our culture and saying: "No!!!! I demand to be treated like the Man that I am!!! Suck it!!!"
Stay the path my friend. Fight through the bitterness. Forge that solid, steel foundation of the man you want to be, and, then, you'll never have to worry about women ever again.
It all starts with you...don't concern yourself with silly, little girls...
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by Guest » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:48 am
[QUOTE=traxxus;38399]The mental sewage part of this is that I am just not sure if this is my problem or theirs. Seduction and Pickup teaches that when something in an interaction goes wrong, it is your fault and you need to deal with it. That's what a man does, he deals with problems. However, before there is an interaction, is it my fault for not finding 95% of women out there stimulating beyond their pussy? Or is it their fault for not working on themselves enough to engage my curiosity? Thanks to you guys, I have the mental clarity to be able to ask this question now.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why you call that a "problem."
I'm curious to know if you and Knight Rose have children. I have a teenager, and I also had a vasectomy about 9 years ago. I'm done with having children. Something changed in the circuitry of my brain. I still respond to a nice ass, tight waist, and firm breasts, but I do find myself becoming more attracted to women who have qualities of a good companion and annoyed with girls who are vapid. My theory is that many men change the qualities they're looking for after they've had children or when they're done having children. It's similar to how women will fuck a bunch of alpha guys and then one day decide to settle down. That's nature. It's not a "problem" [I]per se[/I].
I don't see why you call that a "problem."
I'm curious to know if you and Knight Rose have children. I have a teenager, and I also had a vasectomy about 9 years ago. I'm done with having children. Something changed in the circuitry of my brain. I still respond to a nice ass, tight waist, and firm breasts, but I do find myself becoming more attracted to women who have qualities of a good companion and annoyed with girls who are vapid. My theory is that many men change the qualities they're looking for after they've had children or when they're done having children. It's similar to how women will fuck a bunch of alpha guys and then one day decide to settle down. That's nature. It's not a "problem" [I]per se[/I].
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by Guest » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:50 pm
[QUOTE=Rhody]I don't see why you call that a "problem."
I'm curious to know if you and Knight Rose have children. I have a teenager, and I also had a vasectomy about 9 years ago. I'm done with having children. Something changed in the circuitry of my brain. I still respond to a nice ass, tight waist, and firm breasts, but I do find myself becoming more attracted to women who have qualities of a good companion and annoyed with girls who are vapid. My theory is that many men change the qualities they're looking for after they've had children or when they're done having children. It's similar to how women will fuck a bunch of alpha guys and then one day decide to settle down. That's nature. It's not a "problem" per se. [/QUOTE]
I have two children (6 and 3) and I am COMPLETELY done with the more kids thing. I've done my bit for the continuation of the species. Im 100% with you that I see myself drawn more to the women who are more seeking a companion as opposed to someone to fuck. I see this as a problem simply because I am not sure if it's me having a hard time finding these women, or them just being scarce.
BR: You write the most inspiring stuff when your high. Thanks man.
I'm curious to know if you and Knight Rose have children. I have a teenager, and I also had a vasectomy about 9 years ago. I'm done with having children. Something changed in the circuitry of my brain. I still respond to a nice ass, tight waist, and firm breasts, but I do find myself becoming more attracted to women who have qualities of a good companion and annoyed with girls who are vapid. My theory is that many men change the qualities they're looking for after they've had children or when they're done having children. It's similar to how women will fuck a bunch of alpha guys and then one day decide to settle down. That's nature. It's not a "problem" per se. [/QUOTE]
I have two children (6 and 3) and I am COMPLETELY done with the more kids thing. I've done my bit for the continuation of the species. Im 100% with you that I see myself drawn more to the women who are more seeking a companion as opposed to someone to fuck. I see this as a problem simply because I am not sure if it's me having a hard time finding these women, or them just being scarce.
BR: You write the most inspiring stuff when your high. Thanks man.
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by Guest » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:16 pm
Not to highjack the thread, but I love math...
800ml's of Crown + 750ml's of vodka + 6 bags of coke...caine that is + 2 girls that are long-time high school friends + sexual tension + an alpha male = an amazing show at 6:30am.
I'll have to post a field report detailing things a little better because, in hindsight, even being high and drunk I realize now how much I facilitated the aforementioned interaction.
800ml's of Crown + 750ml's of vodka + 6 bags of coke...caine that is + 2 girls that are long-time high school friends + sexual tension + an alpha male = an amazing show at 6:30am.
I'll have to post a field report detailing things a little better because, in hindsight, even being high and drunk I realize now how much I facilitated the aforementioned interaction.
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by Guest » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:25 pm
[QUOTE=traxxus;38402]I have two children (6 and 3) and I am COMPLETELY done with the more kids thing. I've done my bit for the continuation of the species. Im 100% with you that I see myself drawn more to the women who are more seeking a companion as opposed to someone to fuck. I see this as a problem simply because I am not sure if it's me having a hard time finding these women, or them just being scarce.
BR: You write the most inspiring stuff when your high. Thanks man.[/QUOTE]
traxxus, they are just scarce. Society has allowed women the opportunity to be OK with relegating themselves to being nothing but mere cum-dumpsters. Society has taught them that daddy's aren't important and that women should seek affection from men in the form of nights of meaningless sex and how attractive they are.
If you think men are rapidly becoming void of any morals or integrity, you should note that women lost both of those and then some somewhere around the 60's.
Not you knock you B R, but take his post.. would any self respecting woman do the stuff, I'm assuming, they did?
[QUOTE][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]"I'll give you a hint. Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction check your premise's. You'll find that one of them is wrong." - d'Arconia, Atlas Shrugged
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BR: You write the most inspiring stuff when your high. Thanks man.[/QUOTE]
traxxus, they are just scarce. Society has allowed women the opportunity to be OK with relegating themselves to being nothing but mere cum-dumpsters. Society has taught them that daddy's aren't important and that women should seek affection from men in the form of nights of meaningless sex and how attractive they are.
If you think men are rapidly becoming void of any morals or integrity, you should note that women lost both of those and then some somewhere around the 60's.
Not you knock you B R, but take his post.. would any self respecting woman do the stuff, I'm assuming, they did?
[QUOTE][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]"I'll give you a hint. Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction check your premise's. You'll find that one of them is wrong." - d'Arconia, Atlas Shrugged
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[/QUOTE]
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