The bible says that, with whatever measure you judge others, that same measure will be used to judge you.
Not, thou shalt not judge.
The bible also says, not to be lazy, the lazy farmer doesn't bring in a crop, etc...
“The sluggard's craving will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work” (21:25); he loves sleep: “As a door turns on its hinges, so a sluggard turns on his bed” (26:14); he gives excuses: “The sluggard says, ‘There is a lion in the road, a fierce lion roaming the streets’” (26:13); he wastes time and energy: “He who is slothful in his work is a brother to him who is a great waster” (18:9 KJV); he believes he is wise, but is a fool: “The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven men who answer discreetly” (26:16).
Proverbs also tells us the end in store for the lazy: A lazy person becomes a servant (or debtor): “Diligent hands will rule, but laziness ends in slave labor” (12:24); his future is bleak: “A sluggard does not plow in season; so at harvest time he looks but finds nothing” (20:4); he may come to poverty: “The soul of the lazy man desires and has nothing; but the soul of the diligent shall be made rich” (13:4 KJV).
(copied from some googled page)
I think on the face, you "know". what you believe, but quite frankly I don't think you've really gotten to the crux of it. I'm not saying to judge or not, I'm saying I'm sick of these lazy people living off my fathers, mine, and others like me's hard work. What happens when Atlas shrugs?
On a side note:
Ten commandments, "you shall not bare false witness against your neighbor".. this implies we should judge. But whatever man. believe what you want.. I'll be judging you and them in the process, and I am considering Matthew 7:1. I fully expect others to judge me how I am judging them. In fact I welcome it because unlike others I do not want to be a drain on society.
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:05 pm
[QUOTE=Prodigy;37771]why is it wrong to judge people?[/QUOTE]
In order to judge someone else, you have to pre-suppose that you're worthy to do that. All I'm saying is that I'm well aware of my own screw-ups, and I'm not stupid enough to throw that first stone at anyone else.
In order to judge someone else, you have to pre-suppose that you're worthy to do that. All I'm saying is that I'm well aware of my own screw-ups, and I'm not stupid enough to throw that first stone at anyone else.
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:09 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111;37773]In order to judge someone else, you have to pre-suppose that you're worthy to do that. All I'm saying is that I'm well aware of my own screw-ups, and I'm not stupid enough to throw that first stone at anyone else.[/QUOTE]
So, you admit then, it's not a question whether it's right or wrong, rather it's a questions of it being the wise choice.
There will always be someone who works harder than myself. ALWAYS. I see nothing wrong with those people judging me. They've earned that right by working their asses off. Hopefully it will irritate me enough to aspire to be like them. If not, I expect no pity from them... unlike the people we are talking about...
So, you admit then, it's not a question whether it's right or wrong, rather it's a questions of it being the wise choice.
There will always be someone who works harder than myself. ALWAYS. I see nothing wrong with those people judging me. They've earned that right by working their asses off. Hopefully it will irritate me enough to aspire to be like them. If not, I expect no pity from them... unlike the people we are talking about...
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:30 pm
[QUOTE=Finesse;37774]So, you admit then, it's not a question whether it's right or wrong, rather it's a questions of it being the wise choice.
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I didn't say that.
[QUOTE=Finesse;37774]
There will always be someone who works harder than myself. ALWAYS. I see nothing wrong with those people judging me. They've earned that right by working their asses off. Hopefully it will irritate me enough to aspire to be like them. If not, I expect no pity from them... unlike the people we are talking about..
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I wonder if you're being completely honest with yourself here. If so, that's awesome. I respect and admire that trait.
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I didn't say that.
[QUOTE=Finesse;37774]
There will always be someone who works harder than myself. ALWAYS. I see nothing wrong with those people judging me. They've earned that right by working their asses off. Hopefully it will irritate me enough to aspire to be like them. If not, I expect no pity from them... unlike the people we are talking about..
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I wonder if you're being completely honest with yourself here. If so, that's awesome. I respect and admire that trait.
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:31 pm
I have absolutely no problem judging people, as I am also being judged 24/7.
The reality is that fat people were not born fat (fat gene and other health reasons that cause obesity are arguable). They made a concious choice to eat that extra donut and to supersize their meal. Being fat is a consequence of their actions, and as such, they should be accountable.
Do not complain if you have to pay double air fare if you take up two seats on the plane. You and you alone had control over your weight. Not to mention, if fat people only paid the price of one ticket, the rest of the people will absorb the cost of the other ticket.
Why are fat people considered disabled? Why should they get a closer parking spot? Because they ate themselves to a fat pig?
Other examples are out there. Fat people expect to be treated differently when they shouldn't be.
I applaud those that have taken control, lost weight and continue to manage it. These people understood that it is their life and what actions they take (or do not take) display their character. They had the heart, the desire, the motivation, determination to get the job done.
The majority of the American fat public doesn't even have the dedication to lose 10 lbs. It's sad really.
Yes, I am a weightist!
The reality is that fat people were not born fat (fat gene and other health reasons that cause obesity are arguable). They made a concious choice to eat that extra donut and to supersize their meal. Being fat is a consequence of their actions, and as such, they should be accountable.
Do not complain if you have to pay double air fare if you take up two seats on the plane. You and you alone had control over your weight. Not to mention, if fat people only paid the price of one ticket, the rest of the people will absorb the cost of the other ticket.
Why are fat people considered disabled? Why should they get a closer parking spot? Because they ate themselves to a fat pig?
Other examples are out there. Fat people expect to be treated differently when they shouldn't be.
I applaud those that have taken control, lost weight and continue to manage it. These people understood that it is their life and what actions they take (or do not take) display their character. They had the heart, the desire, the motivation, determination to get the job done.
The majority of the American fat public doesn't even have the dedication to lose 10 lbs. It's sad really.
Yes, I am a weightist!
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:43 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111;37775]I didn't say that.
I wonder if you're being completely honest with yourself here. If so, that's awesome. I respect and admire that trait.[/QUOTE]
You're right, you didn't say that. You said basically, [you aren't perfect so you can't judge] according to your own standards.
What I'm saying Grimm is that the first stone has already been thrown. It's up to you to respond now.
The fat asses and ignorant people out there are saying that you are selfish and an elitist, if you don't support them and put up with them and "help" them. They are judging you regardless of whether you have done any judging of your own. Not only are they judging me, which I can live with... but they are STEALING and violating my FREEDOM. That I will not tolerate.
I wonder if you're being completely honest with yourself here. If so, that's awesome. I respect and admire that trait.[/QUOTE]
You're right, you didn't say that. You said basically, [you aren't perfect so you can't judge] according to your own standards.
What I'm saying Grimm is that the first stone has already been thrown. It's up to you to respond now.
The fat asses and ignorant people out there are saying that you are selfish and an elitist, if you don't support them and put up with them and "help" them. They are judging you regardless of whether you have done any judging of your own. Not only are they judging me, which I can live with... but they are STEALING and violating my FREEDOM. That I will not tolerate.
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:58 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111]Haha well, I guess it's me against the world as usual then. Fine, that's cool. Agree to disagree. I'm going to go listen to "Jesus Take the Wheel" now.
You people need Jesus. [/QUOTE]
I happen to agree with you Grimm, but the point of the post was to demonstrate what we can learn from the biggest looser. It wasn't to debate whether fat people should or should not be judged.
What I can learn from the biggest looser:
1) Always take responsibility for my own actions
2) Women will talk a good game, but when they are held accountable for their actions, they come apart.
You people need Jesus. [/QUOTE]
I happen to agree with you Grimm, but the point of the post was to demonstrate what we can learn from the biggest looser. It wasn't to debate whether fat people should or should not be judged.
What I can learn from the biggest looser:
1) Always take responsibility for my own actions
2) Women will talk a good game, but when they are held accountable for their actions, they come apart.
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by Guest » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:12 pm
[QUOTE=traxxus;37781]I happen to agree with you Grimm, but the point of the post was to demonstrate what we can learn from the biggest looser. It wasn't to debate whether fat people should or should not be judged.
What I can learn from the biggest looser:
1) Always take responsibility for my own actions
2) Women will talk a good game, but when they are held accountable for their actions, they come apart.[/QUOTE]
Finally, sanity comes back to the post.
But, for #2 I would say something more like this:
Women, much like children, are incapable of taking responsibilty for their own actions.
What I can learn from the biggest looser:
1) Always take responsibility for my own actions
2) Women will talk a good game, but when they are held accountable for their actions, they come apart.[/QUOTE]
Finally, sanity comes back to the post.
But, for #2 I would say something more like this:
Women, much like children, are incapable of taking responsibilty for their own actions.
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