Avoiding the Creep Vibe

[Guest]

So I had lunch today with a girl I met and executed some pickup stuff on. Specifically, during our first meeting I ran strawberry fields on her and ran a few other things that are not really important. I have since revised my pickup to be more of a surgical strike, get in, get the number/email, eject. This has actually started to work really well for me.

Anyway, it (the lunch) went well and I built some pretty serious comfort and had a good d2. However, she told me something interesting during lunch. I don't know if it was just a shit test or not, but she told me that when she first met me she got a creep vibe specifically when I ran strawberry fields, (she mentioned strawberries specifically), and that was the only time I spoke about them.

Anyway, it occurs to me that the number one thing I had done wrong was to not build enough comfort initially before running something as deep delving as strawberry fields. I tend to be okay at reading body language and so I can tell if she has attraction, but then I find that I start to ask deeper questions that sometimes come off wrong when I should be keeping things lite. I also know that with her I definitely left out disqualification and went direct. Im thinking that disqualification and building more comfort would be the way to go from here on out.

I'm just looking for a little confirmation that this is something others have experienced. Also, I wanted some feedback on how to focus on building comfort without coming off like a creep.

[Guest]

Sounds like you didn't build enough comfort and that made her uneasy when you asked too deep of questions.

I quit worrying about all the trick pua gimmicks a long time ago. I just roll up, be myself, tell a few stories, and give them a glimpse of the person I am.

[Guest]

I don't know what the strawberry fields gimmick is so I can't help you there. But by the context of your post, it appears that you ask her questions, some of which may make women uncomfortable.

Imagine a girl you just met at a bar begins asking really personal questions, how would that make you feel? Honestly, to me, shed come off as a creeper, even if she was hot...!

One thing that I do that helps prevent me from presenting myself negatively to women (being needy, clingy, creeper, etc) is to imaginarily (is that even a word?) flip the roles. I imagine that the girl does what I was thinking about doing then I would See how I feel about it. If it comes off as a bad thing, then I won't do it.

For example, you text a girl at 1100am saying, "let's do lunch." 1230 rolls around and she hasn't returned your text and you want to call her to ask if she wants to do lunch. Should you? Well the obvious answer is no.

But if the answer wasn't obvious, imagine a girl texting you at 11 and then calling you at 1230. does it make her seem needy? Clingy? How would that make you feel?

Now if you get turned off, more than likely, so will the girl. This is merely a guideline and it works in most scenarios. Hope that helps...

[Guest]

Strawberry fields is sexual. Without more information, it's hard to tell what gave her the creep vibe. The first thing that came to mind is where you met her. If you met her in a book store and ran strawberry fields, then that would be creepy. You have to keep things non-threatening in day game. Give her space, don't push kino, and don't get too sexual too fast.

If you ran it at night in a bar, then strawberry fields is fine. But if you were worried or anxious about bringing up something sexual, then that would show up as a creepy vibe. Strawberry fields not a great cold read routine, because you don't actually learn anything significant about her. I have found that there are two main reasons to do something like strawberry fields: 1) to get her talking about and visualizing sex, and 2) to show that you are totally nonchallant about and unaffected by the topic of sex. If you fail in the second one, then you come off as creepy.

Then again, it could be something else altogether. Maybe you did something different with your voice. Maybe your eyes got shifty. Maybe you licked your lips or got a twitch in your eye. Who knows?

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[QUOTE=Rhody;37356]

Then again, it could be something else altogether. Maybe you did something different with your voice. Maybe your eyes got shifty. Maybe you licked your lips or got a twitch in your eye. Who knows?[/QUOTE]

Maybe you started salivating and drooling? Lol haha jk

[Guest]

Well, the drool, I just can't help it man! Jeeees! LOL

I met her at a pool hall. I remember when I ran it that it didn't really go over all that well with her. She was like, I'm only going to eat 1 strawberry and she wouldn't be daring and jump the fence (part of the routine, look it up if your confused.) Anyway, I think I will eliminate it.

Prodigy, as always man, your advice is right on. I should think to myself, would that creep me out, would I be whatever with it, or would it impress me/flatter me.

My main challenge is still in gaining rapport, but I'm getting there. I still struggle alot with just rolling up to someone with an opener and going chit/chat on them. I do not have the gift of gab? Anyone know where I can get it? LOL. My number closes have picked up alot, but so has the flake rate. Which I kinda expected given I am not building alot of comfort on the initial pickup. I'm saving it for D2.

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If you like the routine and use it successfully, I wouldn't drop it just because one girl was a little uptight about sex.

Also, I think when a girl gives you good feedback and tells you how to seduce her, that's a great sign.

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[QUOTE=traxxus;37358]Well, the drool, I just can't help it man! Jeeees! LOL

I met her at a pool hall. I remember when I ran it that it didn't really go over all that well with her. She was like, I'm only going to eat 1 strawberry and she wouldn't be daring and jump the fence (part of the routine, look it up if your confused.) Anyway, I think I will eliminate it.

Prodigy, as always man, your advice is right on. I should think to myself, would that creep me out, would I be whatever with it, or would it impress me/flatter me.

My main challenge is still in gaining rapport, but I'm getting there. I still struggle alot with just rolling up to someone with an opener and going chit/chat on them. I do not have the gift of gab? Anyone know where I can get it? LOL. My number closes have picked up alot, but so has the flake rate. Which I kinda expected given I am not building alot of comfort on the initial pickup. I'm saving it for D2.[/QUOTE]

I think maybe an improv class might be beneficial. I've never taken one because Im a pretty good conversationalist, but I can see how an improv class can teach you how to respond on your feet and just go with the flow...

[Guest]

I agree with Grimm and Rhody.

If it worked, don't stop using it. You may need to calibrate it a little better, but don't stop using it.

And, it was a shit test. Girls don't go out with guys that creep them out...they walk away.

It's possible she did feel like it was kind of creepy, but everything you did was good enough to overcome that. So, focus on the good. Understand that this one 'mistake' can be fixed and calibrated better. Further, keep in mind that we always fuck something up in every set. It's normal, no one is perfect and women are very forgiving if they like you.