The Science of Logistics for Fuck Closing Day Two’s

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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]As most would agree, logistics can be detrimental to your success of getting laid, especially in field (more so on the first meeting than on day two’s). When on a traditional date, logistics are generally in your favor because it’s only you and HB. No mother hens. No drunk friends. Limited obstacles. Though the odds are in your favor, people can still struggle with logistics on day two’s. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]As simple as day two logistics can be, I hope this write up will help some guys out there. I’m am open to criticism and if you have any comments / tips, feel free to chime in! [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][SIZE=2][FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]What inspired me to write this article is the fact that I’ve had some issues with day two logistics that prevented me from fuck closing (I still could’ve pulled, arguably). That got the gears going, the hamster wheel spinning. I thought to myself, what can I do to be more efficient logistically? What will help me maximize the likelihood of fuck closing a girl on a day two (besides tight game)? [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Traditionally, there are three ways to set up logistics for day two’s.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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[*][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]You pick her up at her place and drive (or you go to her place and have her drive [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][SIZE=2][FONT=Wingdings]ß[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial] big no no! Can you say beta?).[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/COLOR]
[*][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]She comes to your place and you drive (or she picks you up [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][SIZE=2][FONT=Wingdings]ß[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial] what the hell are you thinking?!). [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]
[*][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Both meet up at the venue. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Which option do you feel best facilitates an fuck close?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Scenario 2[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Personally, I like scenario 2 the best. This scenario allows you to lead the interaction, DHV (especially if you have a nice clean place with unique furniture or decore, like that Asian umbrella you have from that trip you took to China, or whatever) and escalate at the end of the night in the comfort of your own environment. Not to mention, after sex, she is the one that has to leave! ;)[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I think it’s important that when she first gets to your place, you should invite her in for a drink. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Say something like, “Hey, I’ll be ready in a few minutes, come in and have a drink; check out the place.” [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]When inside, you can pour her a glass of wine and give her a quick tour. What you are trying to do is create a sense of familiarity between her and your place. That way, at the end of the night, she is more comfortable coming in and should offer little resistance (since she’s been there before, even if only a few hours earlier). At the end of the date, with her car at your place, it is a guarantee that the both of you will return to your[/COLOR][COLOR=black] ho[COLOR=navy][COLOR=black]us[/COLOR][COLOR=black]e[/COLOR][/COLOR]. At this point, you can easily invite her in to do something non-sexual[COLOR=navy]. [/COLOR]For maximum efficiency and success, you need to flip the script on the girl earlier in the night. [COLOR=navy]I c[/COLOR]redit BR for this. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]As soon as she gets physica[COLOR=navy]l [COLOR=black]on your date[/COLOR][/COLOR], say, “Don’t get too frisky, I’m not having sex with you tonight[COLOR=navy],” [COLOR=black]and flash a huge smirk.[/COLOR] [/COLOR]What that’ll do is[COLOR=navy] [COLOR=black]disqualify sex, making[/COLOR] [/COLOR]her believe that you are not like other guys[COLOR=navy]; e[/COLOR]ssentially, destroying her anti-slut defense. This will make it much [COLOR=black][COLOR=navy][COLOR=black]more likely[/COLOR][/COLOR] that[/COLOR] she will [COLOR=navy][COLOR=black]accept your invitation into your home at the end of the evening as she rationalizes that nothing will happen.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Please note that flipping the scrip is not necessary if she is already willing to have sex; it should only be used on girls with high resistance to sexual escalation. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Scenario 1[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Scenario 1, which I would argue is the norm, sets some challenges that require “tighter” game. What I mean is that you will be returning to her place so you can drop her off. Here comes the moment of truth. When you are in the car out front, you cannot lead by inviting yourself in (unless you make some lame excuse like, “can I use your restroom?”), so she will be the one that has to invite you in. Unless you gamed her very well, she may or may not ask you to come in. Why give her that power to decide how far you go?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]It is more likely that a girl will comply to your request, rather than make the request that you come in. It [COLOR=navy][COLOR=black]is all[/COLOR][/COLOR] plausible deniability. If she [COLOR=navy][COLOR=black]invited you in, she will be responsible for what happens, afterall, SHE was the one that asked you to come in. Now in scenario 2, you were the one that invited her in and sex just happened. One thing led to another. Everything that happened was your “fault.” She can deny blame and continue to believe that she is not a slut, whatever helps her sleep at night.[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]Scenario 3[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Scenario 3 is the worst of the three scenarios. I think it just creates more “opens” for her to not go home with you. And if she does go home with you, she will have to follow you home (or vice versa). Sure, it’s not a big deal, but why add the complication? Game is already complex enough! [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]There’s no doubt that game trumps all. If she likes you enough, she will go home with you and you will get laid, regardless of logistics (in most cases).[COLOR=navy] [COLOR=black]You just have to have[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]the cajones to take action[/COLOR].[/COLOR] But, I would argue that logistics is a key aspect of your game. Why not make things as simple as possible to achieve the desired outcome?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=navy][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]Your[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]thoughts?[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

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There is only one rule for a day 2 F Close. Get her in the hot tub.

Making a girl drive over to your house seems odd but it is amazing how many will comply with this. In fact I think all girls will comply with this for some reason as I can't recall one ever saying no. Even the girls I closed from far away lands like Denton and Ft. Worth. It is almost as if they prefer this.

Now take the girl to a drinking location. Read BR's post on day twos as it is pretty pimp if you need suggestions. Anywhere that you guys can booze it up a bit is highly suggested. If she is fun at all she will partake in some tipsiness with you which just makes things easier on both of you. If she isn't willing to booze it up I would just end the date. It would just be gay IMO and has been on the rare occasion I ran into a girl who had one drink.

At some point the date needs to end...well not really end but end in the sense that you return to your house. There needs to be a good reason to get back to your house. Maybe it is an old school nintendo, maybe the hot tub which has about a 100% close rate, guitar hero works pretty well too. You just need an excuse like Prodigy says that isn't sex.

Once back home I highly recommend busting out wine, or at lease some mixers. Shots if she is a super party girl. You don't want that awesome buzz going away and leading to boringness(rationalization).

Some other tips. While I don't like to kiss a girl the night I meet her I think at one of the venues on a Day2 it is important. Nothing major like a make out but something that lingers in her mind making her want more. You should do this a little before you think you will be bouncing back to your place. Remember nothing major as you want the girl wanting more but you don't want her thinking you are only about sex.

Lead: If you follow BR's advice on a Day2 or any Day2 lead the entire interaction. Grab her hand, or put your hand on the small of her back, etc and take her wherever you wanna go. "You know what...lets get out of here and go here."

Downside: Girl almost always stays the night. They might be too tipsy to drive, or they are just female so they usually stay the night as a way to remove their sluttiness from their mind. So this can and is super annoying unless you are pass out drunk.

Upside: You can usually get another round of sex in the morning if you want it.

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She comes to your place and you drive, for sure. Well done. IMO, the #1 most important thing when it comes to logistics is RESPONSIBILITY. She can't feel responsible for sex or any steps that lead her on that road, so good logistics are such that don't make her feel that responsibility.

If she has to come back to your place to get her car, then she's not responsible for ending up at your place. So I agree with you, that's very good.

Inviting her in before you go out is money. Sometimes it helps to pre-empt her with some kind of disqualifier before she comes in, so you don't fuck yourself up before even spending any time with her.

Flipping the script on the date the way you described is good because you're taking the high value frame, on the other hand if she's really interested already, then you're beating a dead horse. What I mean is if she's escalating things with you because you've done everything right, then reward that, don't bust her for it.

Don't meet at the venue if you want something to happen. Much harder to get her home without making her feel responsible for what's going on.

If you pick her up at her place, that's not terrible. You can always use the tried and true "I have to use your bathroom" when you get to her front door. I think on some level she knows this is bullshit but it works regardless about 100%.

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[QUOTE=Prodigy;36038]]you cannot lead by inviting yourself in (unless you make some lame excuse like, “can I use your restroom?”), so she will be the one that has to invite you in. [/QUOTE]

That's funny I didn't see that you wrote this before, it works dude.

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Having her come to your place and then going from there is by far the best option. She's on your turf now and you the upper hand. Before you go out, always, always, always have her come in for a drink or for a minute. Whatever.

This is when having a fully stocked bar comes into play. Make sure you can offer her a drink, most likely, she'll always say yes to at least one. If she doesn't say yes, then you've got a lameo on your hands.

Also, set the mood. Make sure your place is clean and presentable. And, I always have some of my favorite music playing in the background. Also, the lighting is important. My place has a dimmer on virtually every switch, use them, set the mood.

Let us not forget, that it is not unheard of to fuck the girl before you ever even go on the day2. It's shocking how often that occurs. Obviously, that's more of a function of the comfort you built when you met, but it can and does happen.

Yes, Prodigy is totally right, using the "Whoa, slow it down there...I'm not a piece of meat. I'm not going to have sex with you tonight..." line after she touches you (usually I wait for a touch that is a little out of the way and on my leg) is cash money fellas, cash money. Even if she does want to have sex with you and those are her intentions, you can say it at least once regardless. The key to whether or not you say it again is purely based on her response.

As for getting her back in your place, or you in hers, you shouldn't need a reason at all. It should be implied. Don't ask to come in, don't ask her to come in, just go to the door. The decision for her to let you in or for her to come in should have been made well before you ever left the last venue. There should have been a make out session in the car, in the corner of the venue, or on the street during the evening that raised the temperature to the point where she's ready.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;36042]
This is when having a fully stocked bar comes into play....

Also, set the mood. Make sure your place is clean and presentable. And, I always have some of my favorite music playing in the background. Also, the lighting is important. My place has a dimmer on virtually every switch, use them, set the mood.[/QUOTE]

That's great advice man, nobody remembers that shit these days but it is so key. You're a rock in the wind, my friend. The bathroom line is money by the way. That's not debatable, it's a scientific fact.

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I question your motive behind wanting to f close a girl on a day2. Why not get to know each other better and generate some sexual tension over time until they are practically begging for it? Sex is a pretty emotional thing with women. It tends to draw them closer. So why have sex with a girl you are not even sure you want to have a relationship with? Why break some girls heart? Do you really want to convince somebody to engage in an activity that most likely she will regret the next day?

Do you really want a chic that puts out that easily? What happens when you aren't around? If she put out for you that easily with no emotional connection, she'll put out for every other Tom, Dick, and Harry she meets. So how will you like the taste of that? You really aren't that special now are you?

Its no wonder why PUA doesn't have the best image. Its no wonder why girls throw out shit tests, have friends that are cock blockers, and put their guard up so high. Theres little doubt why girls say "men only want one thing"! They are vulnerable creatures and easily fall victim to their own emotions. Add in some alcohol and a guy that knows what he's doing and its really not that hard.

A few days ago we had a thread where a few of you mentioned you didn't want a slut! Now some of the same ones are here giving tips on how to create a slut on a day2. So which is it.......do you want a slut or not?

If all you want is sex, then go buy it. Theres little to no emotional investment.

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UH, i'm surprised by your post.

You of all people have absolutely no room to criticize any of us for givng tips on how to f close day twos. I've read many of your posts and you call women hookers, whores and a whole other list of derogatory terms, and now you want to us to be respectful to women and not hurt them? Give me a fuckin' break.

Youve posted of your conquests and your sexcapades, and you now you jump on us for trying to help guys out?

Ultimately, my post is intended to help whoever wishes to use the information in whichever way they want. In the end, each and every PUA has a choice to have sex with a girl or not (and vice versa). If that's what they want to do, who am I to criticize? It's their life and their decisions.

Not to mention, you sit there and say women are vulnerable creatures and portray them as little angels. In reality, women have been gaming and manipulating men for centuries! Even you have said so yourself in previous posts!!!

I have absolutely no problem fucking a girl on a day two. Some may end up being loving relationships and some won't.

And you're just being naive uh for believing that girls don't have multiple sexual partners, it's just ridiculous to believe that. Girls who have less than 5 partners are the exception nowadays.

So the next time your fucking a stripper, just think about this post, and I guess your not so special either huh?

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For the record, I have nothing against you uh, we've never met and from your posts you seem like a cool guy, but your post above, I did not agree with...

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[QUOTE]A few days ago we had a thread where a few of you mentioned you didn't want a slut! Now some of the same ones are here giving tips on how to create a slut on a day2. So which is it.......do you want a slut or not? [/QUOTE]Prodigy, I agree with you that UH's post seems to be a contradiction to the rest of his posts, but he has a point here.

Day 2's reek of "boyfriend". It's a bit in-congruent.

[QUOTE]"I'm not a piece of meat. I'm not going to have sex with you tonight"[/QUOTE]Think about what the sub-context to this is saying. I feel, it says something along the lines of "I like you, I can wait until later in our relationship." In order to leave the frame open instead of saying that and possibly conveying mixed signals maybe, "Whoa, slow down, I'm not a piece of meat."

I think it be best to make sure you know what the context of the relationship is going to be. Fuck buddy v. girlfriend because with high value women this in-congruence turns them off sometimes. They want you to know what you want.