Don't worry... there's a subsidy for that..

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[QUOTE=Prodigy;35928]I see your point and agree, my perception is not freedom vs slavery, but rather, contentment vs misery.

What I mean is that most of the american public are content with their situation; so why force change of the status quo?

For example, Im not exactly happy that I pay a shit load of taxes, BUT, overall, I love my life. Why would I be compelled to put forth so much effort into (social, gov't) reform? I pay taxes, but hey, I still get to eat at nice restaurants and do things I enjoy...

Every revolution (and I would consider rights movements as a social revolution) is driven by public unrest. The American Revolutionary war. The French Revolution. Abolition of slavery. The civil rights movement. Each of these revoltions were driven by people who were unhappy, they were motivated by misery.

Some americans think theyre pissed off, but in reality, they just are not upset enough to drive change...[/QUOTE]

It is more like contentment in slavery. The slave who thinks he is free brings in more money for his owner just like the chickens who are free to roam around produce more eggs.

I loathe paying the illegal income tax. The private corporation known as the IRS extorts money from average citizens to pay a "voluntary" and unconstitutional income tax. In the old days this was called the Mafia. This Mafia works on behalf of the largest private corporation in the world, the Federal Reserve Bank. The Federal Reserve is about as federal as Federal Express. Through the Federal Reserve act of 1913 (The biggest crime in American history) the federal reserve prints counterfeit money with no backing whatsoever. They LOAN this money to the government and THEY CHARGE INTEREST. That means we pay all of this money BACK TO THIS PRIVATE COMPANY AND WE PAY THEM INTEREST. Well how do we pay interest if they create the money? They create more and more money and we pay them back more and more and more money.

Your income tax dollars go directly to interest payment to the Federal Reserve bank. Every cent goes to line the pockets of the richest few families in the world. Not a cent if your illegal income tax dollars go to any social programs.

The funny thing is congress has the power to create it's own money backed by gold. Interest free. So why don't they? Tricky question indeed.

[CENTER]"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
Mayer Amstel Rothschild


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[QUOTE=Prodigy;35928]For example, Im not exactly happy that I pay a shit load of taxes, BUT, overall, I love my life. Why would I be compelled to put forth so much effort into (social, gov't) reform? I pay taxes, but hey, I still get to eat at nice restaurants and do things I enjoy...[/QUOTE]



And, that right there is the problem. You're content in your chains. As long as your master lets you keep some of the fruits of your labor, then you'll gladly keep working.

Personally, I would be willing to trade my lifestyle in for the opportunity to be a free man, truly free. I would take a deep, deep pay cut and would be willing to live a lessor lifestyle if I could keep 100% of the fruits of my labor.

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Personally, I would be willing to trade my lifestyle in for the opportunity to be a free man, truly free. I would take a deep, deep pay cut and would be willing to live a lessor lifestyle if I could keep 100% of the fruits of my labor.[/QUOTE]

I will have to disagree with you on that, but that's my personal opinion.

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[QUOTE=Prodigy;35931]I will have to disagree with you on that, but that's my personal opinion.[/QUOTE]

How are you able to be complacent with the current situation? What gives you that power and ability? Is it the inability to change the situation? It's like taking the red pill and then staying in wonderland. Physically and mentally, how do you cope with knowing the situation and not want to change it?

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[QUOTE=Finesse;35932]How are you able to be complacent with the current situation? What gives you that power and ability? Is it the inability to change the situation? It's like taking the red pill and then staying in wonderland. Physically and mentally, how do you cope with knowing the situation and not want to change it?[/QUOTE]

There's no doubt that I get upset when I think of where my tax money goes or for what social program it funds.

Here's the way I see it. I can either do nothing and continue to live as I do now, or do something.

Unfortunately, I'm not willing to stop my life, quit my job and move to a country that has no income tax (or better allocate tax money). What allows me to not be outraged is the fact that I love living in America and I really do enjoy my life. I am happy (even if I am a 'slave').

I don't think a tax free American gov't will come to power within my lifetime, If ever. just not going to happen. That leaves you with gov't/social reform. And to be completely honest, I just don't care enough, or more accurately, I'm not outraged enough to organize a movement. If there was a said movement that I can relate to, then maybe I'll get more involved. Until then, I try not to get too bent out of shape; I'd much rather focus my energies on living life, more importantly enjoying life...

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While I don't think a truly tax free system is what should be implement, I can see your point. I don't think a tax free system would even really be a good thing. However, I respect your opinion and your point of view.

There was a statement made during WW2 regarding the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

[QUOTE="Pastor Martin Niemoller"]

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."[/QUOTE]

The one question I have though is: What happens when the government comes to take away your freedoms and rights that you do care about?