Best Article About Feminism Written By a Woman

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The virgin bit:

When you get married you are (supposedly) making a life commitment.

Say you can only drive one car for the rest of your life. When you get to the dealership are you going to the used side or to the New side?

Are you going to pick a car that was used and abused as a rental car for several years before they decided to sell it. Or are you going to go for the top of the line, brand new, no miles on it, perfect condition, beautiful piece of machinery?

If you're fine with the used and abused car for the rest of your life, great. I'm going for top of the line brand new.

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[QUOTE=Lion;35874]Here we go again..

Let me point out the irony that your wife is exactly the kind of entitled feminist cow that I described. And you put up with it for 12 years. Ouch! Thanks for making my point for me in a roundabout way.[/QUOTE]

You assumed that my marriage failed because she was the kind of independent, feisty woman I was seeking. You assumed poorly. The marriage didn't fail because of her being independent, it failed because I lost interest in her well before that. By the time she got a fire under her ass, I was bored. Her wanting to be independent was just the exit strategy we were both looking for. Today she is remarried and dependent on another man. You would really have to know the relationship we had, who took on responsibility, who dominated in certain areas of the relationship, who was financially responsible, who made the decisions, etc. Since you don't, it would be wise to accept my account rather than making poor assumptions.

Also, this is a woman I loved and the mother of my child. Calling her an entitled feminist cow is really douchey.

[quote]Who said anything about dumbing the girl down? You are just assuming here, guy. Poorly. I simply cannot tolerate stupid people.[/quote]

To answer your question, I said something about dumbing the girl down. There was no assumption there. I said something about MYSELF. Many guys on this board get defensive when I say something true about myself. You automatically assume I'm saying something about you. Stupid people indeed.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;35873]Wait, is it the opposite? When she got that bug up her ass, you were no longer interested right? Once she became more masculine then you decided that she had no place in your life. That's how I read what you wrote.[/QUOTE]

Well, "independent" was really a euphemism for "unmarried." She is not the independent type. It didn't take her long to get remarried and start depending on someone else. What led to our divorce was that we didn't relate to each other, largely because she didn't have any drive. The bug up her ass was the excuse to get divorced. She has no career and no drive.

[quote]I have no desire to have children of any kind. I don't like children, I don't want children, and I will fight as hard as I can to never have any. So, I could give two shits about my wife being a good mom. I'm more concerned with whether or not she satisfies my needs. But, I don't want to marry a woman that doesn't work. Now I don't want her to have a job just to have a job. Instead, I would like for her to spend her days pursuing her passion without regard to how much it pays. I'll take care of the money, I'll make plenty of it, I'll be happy to share it with her. But, I still want her doing something that she finds fulfilling and that makes her happy.

Of course, in return for the standard of living I will provide for her and the freedom I will grant her to pursue whatever it is that she has a passion for I expect for her to provide me with certain things in return: I expect for an orderly household, I expect for her to be supportive when necessary and nuturing when I, albeit rarely, require it, when we're together I expect to be the primary priority in her life (when we're apart she can focus on other things), I expect for her to fight to stay fit and beautiful, I expect for her to satisfy me sexually, I expect for her to be loyal, and I expect for her to respect me as the man that I am.[/quote]

Good response. I relate to a lot of what you say.

The way I look at it, I am pretty happy being by myself. I don't need a woman to cook or clean or fold my clothes. If I ever get married again, it will be because I found someone who challenges me, interests me, but also supports me, respects me, adores me, and fucks me like a porn star.

[quote]As for the virgin statement, in my sarging days I picked up one virgin. She was fresh out of college and had never had sex of any kind. Her decision was based more on her religious views than anything else. We went out 4 or 5 times and I never made a strong sexual move on her because I figured out early on that she still had her V Card. But, I was intrigued by her. Here was an awesome girl that I knew was 100% untainted and pure. At the time, I thought that fact was sad. I thought that she would be horrible in bed. Alas, I never did find out. One night she essentially begged for me to be the one and I refused. I didn't want to take it from her. I suppose I was just scared of what that meant, don't know.

Today, when I wake up next to a girl that I've probably only known for a few short, drunken hours I ask myself how many men have been in this position? How many men have slept in this same spot? How many men has she recieved? Does she even know my last name? That's when I think of the virgin. I knew what I was getting with her: a clean, untainted slate. And, I would have had a great chance to sexually liberate her and craft her into the sexual partner that I require. Technique be damned. Experienced or not. In time, with practice, she'll learn to please me and only me. There's something to be said for that...[/quote]

I don't want a complete whore. However, whoever she fucked before she met me has nothing to do with me. I am who I am independent of the men she knew before me. I am absolute.

That's how I feel about feminism too. Whether women are becoming more masculine or indpendnet, I don't care. Whether other men become more feminine, I don't care. That doesn't have anything to do with me. As a man, I am absolute. I do not define my masculinity relative to other men or women.

I try to apply that perspective to all areas of my life. I do not define who I am relative to other people. I do not define my success in my career relative to my coworkers. I do not define my physical fitness relative to people on TV. I do not experience happiness dependent upon the angry guy who cut me off on the tollway. I had to work at it, but this is a perspective that has helped me quite a bit.

As for sexually liberating a woman and crafting her into the sexual being I desire, I don't know if I want that responsibility. It seems like you didn't want that responsibility either. If you are willing to take that on now, then I admire you. They say women are like snowflakes. I don't want to make a snowflake. There are plenty of them out there, and many of them fit what I'm looking for.

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[QUOTE=Rhody;35876]You assumed that my marriage failed because she was the kind of independent, feisty woman I was seeking. You assumed poorly. The marriage didn't fail because of her being independent, it failed because I lost interest in her well before that. By the time she got a fire under her ass, I was bored. Her wanting to be independent was just the exit strategy we were both looking for. Today she is remarried and dependent on another man. You would really have to know the relationship we had, who took on responsibility, who dominated in certain areas of the relationship, who was financially responsible, who made the decisions, etc. Since you don't, it would be wise to accept my account rather than making poor assumptions.

Also, this is a woman I loved and the mother of my child. Calling her an entitled feminist cow is really douchey.



To answer your question, I said something about dumbing the girl down. There was no assumption there. I said something about MYSELF. Many guys on this board get defensive when I say something true about myself. You automatically assume I'm saying something about you. Stupid people indeed.[/QUOTE]

I don't assume your marriage failed because she was independent. I assume it failed because she was lazy and entitled and didn't do anything. Which is the exact opposite of what I said a wife should be and fits under the feminist mindset.

I take back the cow part. I'm sure your ex has many terrific qualities and I mean no offense.

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[QUOTE=Lion;35878]I don't assume your marriage failed because she was independent. I assume it failed because she was lazy and entitled and didn't do anything. Which is the exact opposite of what I said a wife should be and fits under the feminist mindset.

I take back the cow part. I'm sure your ex has many terrific qualities and I mean no offense.[/QUOTE]

Now "lazy and entitled" is an accurate description. I won't argue with that. However, I wonder why you say that fits under the feminist mindset.

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[QUOTE=Rhody;35879]Now "lazy and entitled" is an accurate description. I won't argue with that. However, I wonder why you say that fits under the feminist mindset.[/QUOTE]

The feminist mindset is one of entitlement. In all shapes and forms. The thought that she shouldn't have to do anything and she will be taken care of simply because she has a vagina.

There are really 2 versions of the feminist mindset. The ones on one side think that working some job they don't actually like instead of having a family will fulfill them. The other side feels that women shouldn't have to do anything, including housework or taking care of children, and they should just be provided for. It's an ugly double edged sword.

If it isn't her husband who is taking care of her then it is child support. If it isn't child support and no other guy is footing the bill then the state will take care of her via welfare.

The best example (worst) I can show you is the black community. 90% of their children are born illegitimate. Black women have no respect for their men, they keep shitting out kids and expecting the state to take care of them. The state is all too happy to take care of them. In fact, the state has brainwashed them into thinking they don't need men at all and they can get all their needs met by the state. And it is destroying their community. This is an extreme examply of how roles have been reversed. Feminism at it's finest.

I personally don't want a wife who works because the ugly reality is that careers absolutely do not fulfill women like a family will. That is a fact of human nature. Women are not well suited to the stresses of a real job anyway and often complain about all kinds of stuff a man wouldn't have trouble with. If she wants to do something on the side, like grow bonzai trees, because it makes her happy then fantastic. Or if she wants to help with my business then fantastic.

I will happily take care of all financial burden as long as shit is done at my house. Cooking and cleaning is a waste of my ass-kicking time.

You can't have two breadwinners in a family. It won't work and will always be a competition and end in divorce. You also can't have a lazy, do-nothing wife or husband in a happy marriage.

A man is suited for hunting down the buffalo and the woman is suited for cooking it and cleaning the house. When the roles are reversed anarchy follows and neither side know where they fit in.

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[QUOTE=Lion;35880]The best example (worst) I can show you is the black community. 90% of their children are born illegitimate. Black women have no respect for their men, they keep shitting out kids and expecting the state to take care of them. The state is all too happy to take care of them. In fact, the state has brainwashed them into thinking they don't need men at all and they can get all their needs met by the state. And it is destroying their community. This is an extreme examply of how roles have been reversed. Feminism at it's finest.[/QUOTE]



This is a great example of the horrors of entitlement in general. The Great Society and the expansion of the welfare state has completely destroyed the black community in the U.S. The black community has the highest illegitimacy, incarceration, illiteracy, crime, and poverty rates of any other ethnic group in the U.S. They also are the group receives the most welfare and government assistance.

Add to that the mentality of women in the community and the roles that men play in the family and you'll see that the State is now the man, while the woman has her hand out waiting to be fed by someone else's hard work. Ancedotally, just look at how the women treat their men in that culture...like a piece of trash. The women are dominant because the man provides nothing to her, he has been demasculated by the State. As such, he has no incentive to act like a man and he is not required to do so. This is why most black men act so childish. That's what they are, overgrown children that have no purpose in this world.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;35884]This is a great example of the horrors of entitlement in general. The Great Society and the expansion of the welfare state has completely destroyed the black community in the U.S. The black community has the highest illegitimacy, incarceration, illiteracy, crime, and poverty rates of any other ethnic group in the U.S. They also are the group receives the most welfare and government assistance.

Add to that the mentality of women in the community and the roles that men play in the family and you'll see that the State is now the man, while the woman has her hand out waiting to be fed by someone else's hard work. Ancedotally, just look at how the women treat their men in that culture...like a piece of trash. The women are dominant because the man provides nothing to her, he has been demasculated by the State. As such, he has no incentive to act like a man and he is not required to do so. This is why most black men act so childish. That's what they are, overgrown children that have no purpose in this world.[/QUOTE]

Wow... you know, my girlfriend and I were just talking about this the other night.

We were sitting there eating and watching the 4 different couples, one was older(think our parents age) and the other 3 were around our age and had kids.

With the exception of the older couple, the women all walked in first, without waiting for the men, and without minding the kids that were tagging along behind them, instead the man was doing it and the women were dressed like they had been lounging around the house all day while the men look like they just got off work. In all of the younger couples the women ordered the food for the ENTIRE table, including the man, and drinks included.

When one couple was walking in, the woman actually bumped the guy out of the way to be first, and not in a playful way.. the man even looked at her like "WTF". Coincidentally this same couple, when they first entered the resturaunt, were standing opposite... meaning the women was standing arms crossed like a stoic man would and the man was cowaring much like you'd expect a female to when she was cold. Another couple, one of the children burned themselves and the man took care of the child. When the child had to go to the restroom, the man took them. All the while the woman never stopped to even check on the child.

Now to the older couple, The women was latched onto the man's arm, and was walking slightly behind him to the side. He waited for her to pick a seat and then he positioned himself next to her. He ordered the appetizer and she told him what she wanted to drink and to eat. He ordered everything. When there was a correction to be made, she told him and he then told the waiter who was standing right there, when she could have just said it herself. A couple with a strong sense of masculine/feminine if you ask me.

We also were talking about the black community... but B R, that is a damn good explaination. Damn good sir.

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And they wonder why all the black men (with any value) are hunting down the whities (well...more accurately any race other than black chicks)