Revitalizing phone game

[Guest]

I know, I know. Phone game is out. Text game is in. Trust me, I prefer text game. It's more convenient and more effective for all parties involved. But hear me out anyway.

I spend a lot of time driving around for work. I spend hours alone in my car. I get bored and I get lonely. The only thing to do is listen to music or talk on the phone. Today, I was scrambling to think of someone to call to relieve the boredom, and it dawned on me. I never talk to girls on the phone anymore. All this time I spend in a car, and I could be improving my game.

It beats driving and texting. But how do I get this going? It seems almost weird and intrusive in this day and age to call people on the phone unless you have years worth of rapport. Then I realized I had guy friends who I had known for less than a year who I could call and have long conversations with. And I knew some guys for less than that who I could call and have 5-10 minute long conversations with without seeming weird.

With women it's different though. There are some girl whose numbers I've had for a while, but I only ever text them. I never call except to get directions somewhere, or other brief conversations along those lines. Would it make sense to start calling these people and start practicing having regular phone conversations? How about girls who I have yet to number close? Would they be receptive to old school phone game? Would they be receptive to receiving a phone call as opposed to a text? How do I make it possible to call women and have great phone conversations without it seeming creepy or strange?

[Guest]

I wouldn't exactly say that phone game is out. At least not with the late 20's early 30's age group. I don't have much experience with girls <25.
Calling takes a little more confidence than texting. Everybody knows this and there are some girls I've talked to that really appreciated a phone call and I'd say I earned a few points because of it.

Girls shouldn't be any more difficult to talk to than guys. Thats something in your head! :rolleyes: Another thing you might consider is if they work during the day they might not have much time to talk or maybe they are with some guy and can't talk. Perhaps a less obtrusive text is a good way to initiate a phone call.

A few weeks ago, I was watching some boring movie late on a Saturday night. I was going thru my phone and decided that I'd text a girl that I went on one date with 1.5years ago.

She responsded promptly and I started with the whole "guess who" routine. She tried to play it like she didn't know who I was. lol. So I called bullshit and dialed her up.

We talked for an hour about all sorts of random shit. Some of the topics were: Dating, relationships, trips, adventures, parties, crazy ex's.

For practice, start calling up prostitutes listed in the back of the Dallas Observer. Thats always a good time! :D Most of them are pretty social.
I invited one to come eat tacos with us at 2am. She happened to be from Florida so I told her about my recent trip there and ending up having a 15minute convo about Florida while she was probably trying to get some guy off! She told me she had to go and that she would call later. And guess what........that crazy hooker did.........at about 4:30am she's calling me wanting to chat some more and probably looking for her next customer!

[Guest]

I think it hinges on how much rapport you have with the chick. I've never had issues gabbing it up with a girl I have an established relationship with...no matter the type of relationship.

[Guest]

During the workday, it's intrusive to call someone unless you've built a lot of rapport with them. If this is a girl that you just met and haven't gone out with then it would be highly inappropriate if you called her during the day. This, of course, assumes that she works during the day. If she's a bartender or something like that, then calling during the day is fine because she's most likely at home.

I view the phone as one of two things: 1) a mechanism to create comfort with someone that you didn't really get a chance to create comfort with (i.e. short initial meeting, you met her off the net, you're being 'fixed up,' or she lives in a different city) OR 2) a mechanism that you use to create a boyfriend frame .

The only times I've ever used the phone is when she specifically requests for me to do so, I sourced her from the net (I've found your f-close ratio on the 1st/2nd 'date' is much, much better if you call them and chat on the phone first), or I'm calling them to tell them to come over, give them directions, get directions, or some other 'functional' reason.

Some girls are very receptive to phone game, but keep in mind that these girls are generally the type of girl that's a little more old-fashioned and is looking for a man to invest time and effort into her. In other words, they want to see if you're willing to do what it takes to be her boyfriend.

As for actually running phone game, I think UncleHOwie is right. Just talk to her the way you would normally talk to, or game, a woman. It's no different really. Just keep in mind what calling subcommunicates to a woman and ask yourself if that's the frame you want to maneuver in.

[Guest]

Fuzz,

Just start calling these girls. That's the way you'll get good. Don't worry about getting approval to call. Just do it. There's no rule against calling just for the sake of talking.

I would make them laugh right off the bat to get the conversation going. I would personally say something like..

Hi, I'm driving around for work and I'm getting lonely and I just thought of your bright smile and wanted to say hi...this is Rebecca right? No, oh, hey Julie. You have a nice smile too...

or..

I was just thinking about your big, bright, shining eyes and how handsome my reflection looked in them.

The key is to make it match your personality and make them laugh right away. Then they will be putty in your hands.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Lion;35648]Fuzz,

Just start calling these girls. That's the way you'll get good. Don't worry about getting approval to call. Just do it. There's no rule against calling just for the sake of talking.

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Nothing wrong with that approach, but if you call me during the day just because you are bored and want to bullshit, don't be surprised if I blow you off and you hang up thinking what a real asshole I must be.

If I have time to talk I will, if I don't and you insist on consuming my time you will feel like I gave you the cold shoulder. Is that the effect you really want to achieve here?

Why do you think salesmen try to schedule their visits at appropriate times?

You'll be more successful when you show someone courtesy and they will be more open to what you have to offer! You can't deny that. Being sensitive to others goes a long way.

[Guest]

I think phone can be a great addition to your game.

It's widely understood that the phone is not the primary form of electronic communication anymore (vs 10 years ago). Today, there are so many different (and easier) modes of communication to stay connected. Facebook. Myspace. Email. Text.

Having said that, there are many times that I've called up a girl just to chat. My goal is to build comfort, rapport and a connection. I typically use this as a substitute for an actual date. Be sure to make your topics interesting, intriguing and engaging because girls have girlfriends to chat with if they wanted to talk about shoes, clothes or the hot neighbor. Talking on the phone takes more effort and investment from both parties. I do feel that if a girl likes you, she would welcome a call from you.

Like UH said, timing is critical. Call a girl around dinner time or during work hours and shell likely blow you off.

I would use phone just to chat sparingly. I think that it's different (as it is no longer the norm) and can add value to your game. I genuinely believe that most girls like recieving calls from a guy they like.

For example* no one uses snail mail anymore, but If one day, out of the blue, she received a romantic letter from you in the mail, it'll definitely make her feel warm and gooey inside. It'll boost her ego and make her feel good about herself.

(I know this example sounds beta, but most Women would appreciate a sweet gesture like that)

[Guest]

[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;35664]Nothing wrong with that approach, but if you call me during the day just because you are bored and want to bullshit, don't be surprised if I blow you off and you hang up thinking what a real asshole I must be.

If I have time to talk I will, if I don't and you insist on consuming my time you will feel like I gave you the cold shoulder. Is that the effect you really want to achieve here?

Why do you think salesmen try to schedule their visits at appropriate times?

You'll be more successful when you show someone courtesy and they will be more open to you have to offer! You can't deny that. Being sensitive to others goes a long way.[/QUOTE]

It's a good thing he won't be calling you, UH.

Even if the girl is an a-hole who gives a shit? Sine when do we cater to them? You do what YOU want to do, not what you think some chicken-head [I]might[/I] want. Not everybody works 9-5 anyway. Maybe they are students with the afternoon free. Maybe they are unemployed. Maybe they would like an afternoon phone call to get them out of their 9-5 grind.

It sound like he isn't calling to game, he's calling because he is bored and he WANTS to. Fuzz, if you want to call then just call. It can't possibly be any worse then driving around with no one to talk to.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Lion;35669]It sound like he isn't calling to game, he's calling because he is bored and he WANTS to. Fuzz, if you want to call then just call. It can't possibly be any worse then driving around with no one to talk to.[/QUOTE]


I think he's calling precisely because he's trying to Game them. The fact that he's alone in his car is just providing him with the opportunity to call them, but the end goal is to Game them.

Having said that though, I agree with you. If he wants to call, then he should. I just think he needs to understand that people are busy during the day and may not be receptive to a phone call. If he's cool with that, then by all means start dialing.