Train with Kosmo and Joe D. VH1 Pickup Artist

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Not a keyboard jockey and trust me I am willing to look at anyones insight and opinions because they can only strengthen my beliefs or help to improve me in new areas. I could care less about the who has the biggest dick theory.

I just think there are to schools of thought which is cool. There is nothing wrong with opinions that differ. I think anyone who reads this will just have two ways of looking at it to make up there own mind. Which to me, is helpfull for everybody. To me it's a question of, if you were setting at a bar and you saw. 1. a guy that was no better looking than you with a swimsuit model for a GF and a whole circle of really cool friends or 2. a guy with a HB7 that 50% of the guys there could have as well as you or 50% of the chicks there are as hot. Who would you rather be? I think both are achievable if you are willing to put in the work. You can be rich,muscular,powerful if you want, the rest of it is up to what you want out of it. I say HB7 or what I would call slighty above average looking girls take very little extra effort if any to PU. and it's not pushing yourself to be better than just slightly average. But, That's my opinion.

BTW, I am not having a pissing contest with BR as some might think. I actually respect that you share your thoughts and have learned alot from your typings.

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Kaisen, I wasn't calling you out in particular. There are many aspiring pua's that spend a lot of time reading all they can about MysteryMan, TylerBoy, etc, thinking all they have to do is regurgitate that jargon and panties start dropping!

If you are busy memorizing everything these pua super hero's have to say, then you have missed the point. Get out there and figure out what works for you. Confidence is the number one "thing" you can have in your arsenal if you want to be succesful in this game. You can't learn confidence from some stupid book written by some pompous ass parading around in a long coat and furry pimp hat.

You gain confidence by doing! Only then will you begin to realize what the pua journey is truly about. Its so NOT what is portrayed to the masses. Thats all media/marketing hype designed to make a buck.

It just irritates me when I see someone who pukes out everything he could read from these pua super hero's, yet never writes a field report or asks questions.

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You left out scenario 3. What if you were in a bar and saw a guy with a swimsuit model for a GF and a whole circle of really cool friends and thought: "good for him, everyone deserves to be happy just like me." To me, that's what PU is all about: feeling as if you are just as good as anyone else, being secure with who you are and what you're about, and projecting that feeling to the world.

Or scenario 4, you're with an HB7 that has so much value outside of her looks that she's really NOT in anyone's league in the venue. I know it's hard to imagine, but it can, and does, happen. I've experienced that many, many times and I suspect that feels just as if she were an HB10. The difference is that it's not something that is immediately evident based on appearance. But, I know that she's higher value than virtually everyone there so I'm cool with that. She belongs to me, I get to enjoy her, I don't give two fucks if no one ever knows her value. She's my little secret and if no one ever finds out her value then that's fine, I'm 100% secure in myself as to not care if anyone else knows.

I used to be that guy that would see a really hot girl with a really unattractive guy and think: "WTF!!! I'm better than that guy, I'll never understand why she's with HIM." Now, I barely notice those situations because now it just doesn't mean that much to me. I understand now that this girl could, and probably does, have a million things that are very ugly about her.

People are funny in that they tend to try to pair themselves up with others that they think have the same relative value as themselves. On a scale of 10, 5s generally stick around and interact with 5s. 10s stick around and interact with 10s. So, what gives you that value? In my opinion, two things: 1) the idea that you 100% believe that you're a 10 and 2) that you can project that idea to the world and have the world believe you.

I think that you're really beginning to confuse attractiveness with value. Just because a girl is an HB10 doesn't mean she's a 10 as a person. So, when you see that guy that's with that girl that's an HB10 and he "looks just like you," then I would contend that you could probably have her too. Because she's either lacking in several areas of her life OR she perceives him to be higher value OR perceives herself to be lower value.

I noticed that you keep saying that if you have HB9 Game then you should be with HB9s. But, I don't think Game has anything to do with being with an HB9. In my opinion, Game (as it is traditionally known as, i.e., openers, negs, and other tactics) is only really applied in attraction and early, early in comfort AND it only comprises like 10% - 15% of the actual work that's being done with a girl. The rest of the interaction is about value. It's about projecting value, showing her your worth, and, probably most importantly, determining her worth to you. So, when you say you better have HB9 game, I'd say that you better have HB9 VALUE.

The reason HB7s fall so hard for guys with HB9 'Game,' as you state it, is because you have so much more value to her than most other men. As such, she's going to want to be around you as much as possible. She's going to be a Smitten Kitten. She's going to want to meet your friends and be a part of your life. I used to be completely and totally annoyed by these kinds of girls, but I've grown up to understand that I should be flattered and if I feel like her value is comparable to mine then I like to try to help them understand that their value is higher than they give themselves credit for. I kind of liken it to rewarding her. It's an awesome feeling to know that you've got a Smitten Kitten on your hands...so, I try to reward them by helping them realize their value.

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[B][I]The reason HB7s fall so hard for guys with HB9 'Game,' as you state it, is because you have so much more value to her than most other men. As such, she's going to want to be around you as much as possible. She's going to be a Smitten Kitten. She's going to want to meet your friends and be a part of your life. I used to be completely and totally annoyed by these kinds of girls[/I][/B],

BR- thanks for pointing this out. I've had this happen with 3 different girls and never thought of it in this manner. I usually passed their desire to be around me so much as simple "neediness". But, after reading this I think I was wrong in my assessment. Looking back on it I know now what they meant by some of the things they were trying to tell me.

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[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;34182][B][I]The reason HB7s fall so hard for guys with HB9 'Game,' as you state it, is because you have so much more value to her than most other men. As such, she's going to want to be around you as much as possible. She's going to be a Smitten Kitten. She's going to want to meet your friends and be a part of your life. I used to be completely and totally annoyed by these kinds of girls[/I][/B],

BR- thanks for pointing this out. I've had this happen with 3 different girls and never thought of it in this manner. I usually passed their desire to be around me so much as simple "neediness". But, after reading this I think I was wrong in my assessment. Looking back on it I know now what they meant by some of the things they were trying to tell me.[/QUOTE]


Don't rule out the neediness factor. It really could have been that they were indeed needy ladies.

HB rating.

You have the initial I see a girl and she is a HBX. Everyone is going to rate her a little different. So if she is a HB7 in my eyes she might have a range of about HB6-HB8 depending on the rater.

I start dating HB7. Over time I realize she is super awesome, a freak in bed, shares my values, etc. Her HB rating increases over time because of these things. She is now an HB9 to me although no one else would share that rating with me. I am the only one who knows the true rating.

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Ratings suck.

I've been out and been with with HB9-10s that can stop a bar and they have been the "ugliest" women i've met once i got to know them.

Life's short. Go get the girl you want and makes you happy. That's what PU is about.

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[QUOTE=TopDog;34184]Ratings suck.

I've been out and been with with HB9-10s that can stop a bar and they have been the "ugliest" women i've met once i got to know them.

Life's short. Go get the girl you want and makes you happy. That's what PU is about.[/QUOTE]

Great post TD.

If the girl makes you happy, does it matter what anyone else thinks...?

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[QUOTE=Prodigy;34185]Great post TD.

If the girl makes you happy, does it matter what anyone else thinks...?[/QUOTE]

Yes an no. If all your friends and family hate your girlfriend, they probably see something you don't see. How many times have you had a friend who was madly in love with some cow who wasn't worth his time and effort? I've seen that a bunch. Everyone sees it but him, he is blinded by love.

Now if it's some sort of preppy guy meets poor girl from across the tracks 80's movie type of relationship then it doesn't matter what anyone thinks.

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[QUOTE=playercool;34183]Don't rule out the neediness factor. It really could have been that they were indeed needy ladies.[/QUOTE]



I've often wondered about neediness with women. I've certainly run into a lot of girls that are or seem to be very needy. Women simply want to be with a guy if they like them. Period. There is definitely no disputing that. As a matter of fact, I would say all women have some minimal level of neediness, which is due primarily to the yearning to feel secure.

But, I've noticed that the higher value they ascribe to you (which if you watch for it is incredibly obvious) the more needy they appear to become. I'm reminded by two past relationships that were completely opposite. One of the girls was very smart and very successful. The other wasn't really that smart (no college degree), and wasn't all that successful (worked as a waitress). Both were attractive and I wouldn't say one was prettier than the other. I think about these two because they were literally 180 degrees different from each other.

The first girl seemed very aloof with me. She sort of came and went as she pleased, which I thought was interesting. She liked me and we saw each other for like two months, but I'd see her maybe once every 3 days or so. The second girl latched on very quickly and wouldn't let go. On our first day2, she talked about how excited she was for me to meet her friend that was going to be in town like 4 months later. We only saw each other for like 2 weeks but every single day she wanted to come over or meet for drinks or go to dinner. The first girl was more concerned with pleasing herself, while the second girl would have done virtually anything to please me.

Sure, it could have been that they were just wired that way. But, I've always seemed to notice that trend with women. The more value they possess, the less clingy and needy they tend to be. The more value they ascribe to you the more they want to be around you. I think this has to do with how much they enjoy you but also how insecure they are that you'll find someone else that's 'better' than her, so they try to stay in front of your eyes for as long as they possibly can.

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This is the weirdest thread. It started out talking about some MM seminar and it turned into something completely different. You guys don't know this, but you're talking me into getting into a LTR with this girl I have been seeing. HB7 tops (very pretty face, but short and a few extra pounds), but the coolest, funniest girl I have ever been with. I completely understand what you guys are talking about. I have been with hotter women who are total duds, get sloppy drunk, have severe emotional problems, etc.