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Train with Kosmo and Joe D. VH1 Pickup Artist
When: MLK Weekend Jan 15-17 / Meet and Greet Jan 14 Evening to learn the lay of the land
Where: Raleigh, North Carolina
Who: Gurus: Kosmo (Venusian Arts) and Joe D. (Stylelife) from VH1 Pickup Artist plus Coaches Technoslaughter, Dionysus, BigWin, Mighty Baron from Area51Lifestyle plus Pivots
Cost: 300 Dollars to cover cost of conference room and transportation of Gurus
Contact: PM me on Facebook for more details - Wil Raguro / I will also be on the next Meetup on Monday 23Nov09 if you want to learn more
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Train with Kosmo and Joe D. VH1 Pickup Artist
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by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:37 am
Even though I really don't like adverts posted w/o permission of the Head of the board, I'll leave this as I think it can and will spark up some conversation.
My opinion: Those in VA (and from the little I've read of the recent Stylelife material) is still deeply rooted in an archaic methodology. Mystery Method and the slight variations "created" by these two institutes barely passes for a BAREBONE low-level framework now a days. Spending money on a lecture/seminar you can easily learn from reading posts or a 10 dollar book doesn't seem smart to me.
It's a different time now in the pickup community. It's widely known. Tactics, lines, and the canned "persona" are easy to spot...even by those not in the community.
I reiterate that this is MY opinion, and others here may have different views on this...but there are many that I know personally here that will share my view.
My opinion: Those in VA (and from the little I've read of the recent Stylelife material) is still deeply rooted in an archaic methodology. Mystery Method and the slight variations "created" by these two institutes barely passes for a BAREBONE low-level framework now a days. Spending money on a lecture/seminar you can easily learn from reading posts or a 10 dollar book doesn't seem smart to me.
It's a different time now in the pickup community. It's widely known. Tactics, lines, and the canned "persona" are easy to spot...even by those not in the community.
I reiterate that this is MY opinion, and others here may have different views on this...but there are many that I know personally here that will share my view.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:19 am
Is this a seminar or a bootcamp?
I would never pay for a seminar. I have seen, heard and read enough material that I could teach a seminar. It's easy to stand up there and regurgitate material. The real deal is the bootcamp. I went to a RSD bootcamp and it was well worth the money. It was 3 students and 1 instructor. It was almost all sarging with preparation, prompting, coaching, feedback, and debriefing. I also prefer RSD, because it's less structure and more vibe, playfulness, and attitude.
Now, if this "training" includes sarging where they split you up into small groups and coach you in the field, then $300 is a bargain.
I would never pay for a seminar. I have seen, heard and read enough material that I could teach a seminar. It's easy to stand up there and regurgitate material. The real deal is the bootcamp. I went to a RSD bootcamp and it was well worth the money. It was 3 students and 1 instructor. It was almost all sarging with preparation, prompting, coaching, feedback, and debriefing. I also prefer RSD, because it's less structure and more vibe, playfulness, and attitude.
Now, if this "training" includes sarging where they split you up into small groups and coach you in the field, then $300 is a bargain.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:02 pm
[QUOTE]Cost: 300 Dollars to cover cost of conference room[/QUOTE]
They're expecting a large crowd lecture, I'd wager. Putting these two together is also very gimmicky. It's obvious they're wanting to use their "fame" (and I use that term VERY loosely) to fill the seats.
They're expecting a large crowd lecture, I'd wager. Putting these two together is also very gimmicky. It's obvious they're wanting to use their "fame" (and I use that term VERY loosely) to fill the seats.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:06 pm
[QUOTE=Smirks;33657]Even though I really don't like adverts posted w/o permission of the Head of the board, I'll leave this as I think it can and will spark up some conversation.
My opinion: Those in VA (and from the little I've read of the recent Stylelife material) is still deeply rooted in an archaic methodology. Mystery Method and the slight variations "created" by these two institutes barely passes for a BAREBONE low-level framework now a days. Spending money on a lecture/seminar you can easily learn from reading posts or a 10 dollar book doesn't seem smart to me.
It's a different time now in the pickup community. It's widely known. Tactics, lines, and the canned "persona" are easy to spot...even by those not in the community.
I reiterate that this is MY opinion, and others here may have different views on this...but there are many that I know personally here that will share my view.[/QUOTE]
Seconded.
If you're still using Mystery's framework then you're a dinosaur. As a matter of fact, if you use any person's style and material in excessive amounts then you're just a copy cat with little or no real personality or creativity other than what you saw on a DVD or read in a book.
My opinion: Those in VA (and from the little I've read of the recent Stylelife material) is still deeply rooted in an archaic methodology. Mystery Method and the slight variations "created" by these two institutes barely passes for a BAREBONE low-level framework now a days. Spending money on a lecture/seminar you can easily learn from reading posts or a 10 dollar book doesn't seem smart to me.
It's a different time now in the pickup community. It's widely known. Tactics, lines, and the canned "persona" are easy to spot...even by those not in the community.
I reiterate that this is MY opinion, and others here may have different views on this...but there are many that I know personally here that will share my view.[/QUOTE]
Seconded.
If you're still using Mystery's framework then you're a dinosaur. As a matter of fact, if you use any person's style and material in excessive amounts then you're just a copy cat with little or no real personality or creativity other than what you saw on a DVD or read in a book.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:27 pm
[QUOTE=Bull Run;33661]Seconded.
If you're still using Mystery's framework then you're a dinosaur. As a matter of fact, if you use any person's style and material in excessive amounts then you're just a copy cat with little or no real personality or creativity other than what you saw on a DVD or read in a book.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you in principal. However, for the absolute newbie I think it's important to know the MM structure. Someone who comes into the community with extreme AA and no experience with cold approaches will have to small-chunk it, and the MM structure allows him to first work on approaching then opening and hooking then work on isolating and comfort, and so on.
Once you internalize all that, it's best to completely drop it and let your instincts take over. Newbies get that instinct from experience, itnernalization, and calibration.
If you're still using Mystery's framework then you're a dinosaur. As a matter of fact, if you use any person's style and material in excessive amounts then you're just a copy cat with little or no real personality or creativity other than what you saw on a DVD or read in a book.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you in principal. However, for the absolute newbie I think it's important to know the MM structure. Someone who comes into the community with extreme AA and no experience with cold approaches will have to small-chunk it, and the MM structure allows him to first work on approaching then opening and hooking then work on isolating and comfort, and so on.
Once you internalize all that, it's best to completely drop it and let your instincts take over. Newbies get that instinct from experience, itnernalization, and calibration.
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by Guest » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:44 pm
other than Peacocking like Mystery which I wouldn't recommend, everything I have ever read seems like a knock off of the MM to me. except for Ross Jefferies stuff but he is a creepy MF. I think most guy's just word it a little different or have a few more spins on the same stuff. I'm curious, what do you guy's see different than MM/Neil Strauss methods with other methods out there? Maybe I haven't been introduced to them yet.
On the other hand how many of us could look like Mystery,Neil, and especially Ross and pull the kinda girls they have? I would like to eventually meet all you guy's but so far including myself. I have yet to meet anyone in this regional community that can pull chicks that far out of their league. Not trying to sound like a ass cause I don't know most of you guys and you might be amazing and can do this. But, The guy's i have sarged with so far including myself cannot come close to pulling the quality of women these guy's can/did. And i haven't sarged with anyone i would consider less attractive than these guys.
On the other hand how many of us could look like Mystery,Neil, and especially Ross and pull the kinda girls they have? I would like to eventually meet all you guy's but so far including myself. I have yet to meet anyone in this regional community that can pull chicks that far out of their league. Not trying to sound like a ass cause I don't know most of you guys and you might be amazing and can do this. But, The guy's i have sarged with so far including myself cannot come close to pulling the quality of women these guy's can/did. And i haven't sarged with anyone i would consider less attractive than these guys.
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by Guest » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:04 am
[QUOTE=Kaisen;34161]other than Peacocking like Mystery which I wouldn't recommend, everything I have ever read seems like a knock off of the MM to me. except for Ross Jefferies stuff but he is a creepy MF. I think most guy's just word it a little different or have a few more spins on the same stuff. I'm curious, what do you guy's see different than MM/Neil Strauss methods with other methods out there? Maybe I haven't been introduced to them yet.
On the other hand how many of us could look like Mystery,Neil, and especially Ross and pull the kinda girls they have? I would like to eventually meet all you guy's but so far including myself. I have yet to meet anyone in this regional community that can pull chicks that far out of their league. Not trying to sound like a ass cause I don't know most of you guys and you might be amazing and can do this. But, The guy's i have sarged with so far including myself cannot come close to pulling the quality of women these guy's can/did. And i haven't sarged with anyone i would consider less attractive than these guys.[/QUOTE]
As far as I can tell, the biggest difference is the use of canned material, that and the "don't show interest" idea. The newest info says that you do show interest and just go direct most of the time. I don't know, I opened a girl the other day with a situational opener about her hat. It went ok. I think it's just going out and having fun with them as opposed to trying to hit certain buttons. But that's just my opinion.
On the other hand how many of us could look like Mystery,Neil, and especially Ross and pull the kinda girls they have? I would like to eventually meet all you guy's but so far including myself. I have yet to meet anyone in this regional community that can pull chicks that far out of their league. Not trying to sound like a ass cause I don't know most of you guys and you might be amazing and can do this. But, The guy's i have sarged with so far including myself cannot come close to pulling the quality of women these guy's can/did. And i haven't sarged with anyone i would consider less attractive than these guys.[/QUOTE]
As far as I can tell, the biggest difference is the use of canned material, that and the "don't show interest" idea. The newest info says that you do show interest and just go direct most of the time. I don't know, I opened a girl the other day with a situational opener about her hat. It went ok. I think it's just going out and having fun with them as opposed to trying to hit certain buttons. But that's just my opinion.
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by Guest » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:32 am
[QUOTE=Kaisen;34161]On the other hand how many of us could look like Mystery,Neil, and especially Ross and pull the kinda girls they have? I would like to eventually meet all you guy's but so far including myself. I have yet to meet anyone in this regional community that can pull chicks that far out of their league. Not trying to sound like a ass cause I don't know most of you guys and you might be amazing and can do this. But, The guy's i have sarged with so far including myself cannot come close to pulling the quality of women these guy's can/did. And i haven't sarged with anyone i would consider less attractive than these guys.[/QUOTE]
And, there is the biggest fallacy of the Community. These guys might pull chicks substantially hotter than them but what about the other aspects of the girl? What about her intelligence, sense of humor, sexuality, etc, etc? We have absolutely no idea how high quality these women really are/were. Maybe they were uber hot but had the personality of a box of rocks. Maybe they were uber hot but never wanted to have sex or, more accurately, sucked at sex. We simply don't know.
I, personally, would say that the highest quality girls I've ever dated were virtually never the hottest girls I've ever dated. A woman's attractiveness does not equal her quality. It's just another trait that adds, or detracts, from the person's total quality.
Having said that. I've seen plenty of guys pull girls that were much better looking than them. Sometimes these girls turn out to be pretty cool...generally though, these girls are lacking in more than one area other than their physical appearance.
In all honesty, I'd rather have an HB7 that's fucking cool, funny, smart, and loves to fuck (and get crazy doing so) than an HB9 that's just an HB9. One is pretty to look at, the other is fun to be with. There is a huge difference.
And, there is the biggest fallacy of the Community. These guys might pull chicks substantially hotter than them but what about the other aspects of the girl? What about her intelligence, sense of humor, sexuality, etc, etc? We have absolutely no idea how high quality these women really are/were. Maybe they were uber hot but had the personality of a box of rocks. Maybe they were uber hot but never wanted to have sex or, more accurately, sucked at sex. We simply don't know.
I, personally, would say that the highest quality girls I've ever dated were virtually never the hottest girls I've ever dated. A woman's attractiveness does not equal her quality. It's just another trait that adds, or detracts, from the person's total quality.
Having said that. I've seen plenty of guys pull girls that were much better looking than them. Sometimes these girls turn out to be pretty cool...generally though, these girls are lacking in more than one area other than their physical appearance.
In all honesty, I'd rather have an HB7 that's fucking cool, funny, smart, and loves to fuck (and get crazy doing so) than an HB9 that's just an HB9. One is pretty to look at, the other is fun to be with. There is a huge difference.
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