[QUOTE=Bull Run;33642]The other thing that you need to think about is how much comfort you've built with this girl. In my opinion, the BIGGEST mistake guys make in PU is that they're too quick close. Take your time. Let her get comfortable with you and your personality. Remember that number closes are virtually meaningless. Girls give their numbers out to guys ALL THE TIME. Seriously, it means nothing.
I learned this dynamic and began to focus more on building comfort and creating rapport and found that although my number closes fell, the quality of those numbers improved dramatically.[/QUOTE]
At a certain point I realized the above, and I just all together stopped asking for numbers. The only way I'm going to get a girl's number is if she asks me for mine first, which is always a pretty strong IOI.
And am I wrong, but isn't the original poster in a college fraternity environment? This means that you're working within a very specific social circle, and you're probably going to run into a lot of the same girls all the time. Meaning numbers are really not that important.
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by Guest » Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:56 pm
[QUOTE=playercool;33644]
As far as venues I would mainly try for either a bar, or my house. In the future though I am going to see about going and shooting guns. I think that would be a kickass venue. [/QUOTE]
Haha, I don't know man. I think I would enjoy shooting guns more than I would the girl if I went with her to a gun range. Yeah, Texas ruined me ;)
I used to hate going to dinner, or having a table between us, because as mentioned above, it was like an interview. Then I started using something like this (credit juggler):
Me: You know ... it's too bad there's a table between us.
Chick: Why?
Me: Because ... ah, never mind.
Chick: No really, why?
Me: Well ... because I could just kiss you right now.
Doesn't work all the time, but enough to make me not mind tables anymore. If she hasn't already thought about it, then she now has an image of us kissing.
My general day2 though is really just to go to this bar near my house - the seating is intimate, and on sundays and the weekdays it's not too crowded, then slip into the next door bookstore a bit and act like a bunch of geeks, and then sit on a bench. Nothing extravagant.
Btw, if I do seed a day2 event in our first interaction, it doesn't mean at all that we will follow the "plan."
[quote]
I would suggest that you leave what you're going to do ambiguous. Say something like: "I'm going to take you out and show you a good time" or "You and I are totally going to hang out." It really is that simple. If you make it clear that the day2 is just you and her, then you don't have to qualify why you want her to be there with you. In my opinion, saying, "I like you, let's hang out" is a little weak and, quite frankly, boring. Be a little more creative. You could say: "you're awesome...we're going to hang out, but the only time I can is when I organize my sock drawer. I know you'd be down to shuffle through my undies...I promise most of them are clean" or "I'm going to take you to dinner, and by dinner I mean McDonald's...I'll even let you get 4 items from the dollar menu."
[/quote]
You know man, that is really fucking playful. That is something I am most definitely not consistent in.
As far as venues I would mainly try for either a bar, or my house. In the future though I am going to see about going and shooting guns. I think that would be a kickass venue. [/QUOTE]
Haha, I don't know man. I think I would enjoy shooting guns more than I would the girl if I went with her to a gun range. Yeah, Texas ruined me ;)
I used to hate going to dinner, or having a table between us, because as mentioned above, it was like an interview. Then I started using something like this (credit juggler):
Me: You know ... it's too bad there's a table between us.
Chick: Why?
Me: Because ... ah, never mind.
Chick: No really, why?
Me: Well ... because I could just kiss you right now.
Doesn't work all the time, but enough to make me not mind tables anymore. If she hasn't already thought about it, then she now has an image of us kissing.
My general day2 though is really just to go to this bar near my house - the seating is intimate, and on sundays and the weekdays it's not too crowded, then slip into the next door bookstore a bit and act like a bunch of geeks, and then sit on a bench. Nothing extravagant.
Btw, if I do seed a day2 event in our first interaction, it doesn't mean at all that we will follow the "plan."
[quote]
I would suggest that you leave what you're going to do ambiguous. Say something like: "I'm going to take you out and show you a good time" or "You and I are totally going to hang out." It really is that simple. If you make it clear that the day2 is just you and her, then you don't have to qualify why you want her to be there with you. In my opinion, saying, "I like you, let's hang out" is a little weak and, quite frankly, boring. Be a little more creative. You could say: "you're awesome...we're going to hang out, but the only time I can is when I organize my sock drawer. I know you'd be down to shuffle through my undies...I promise most of them are clean" or "I'm going to take you to dinner, and by dinner I mean McDonald's...I'll even let you get 4 items from the dollar menu."
[/quote]
You know man, that is really fucking playful. That is something I am most definitely not consistent in.
- Guest
by Guest » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:38 pm
theres alot of gold nuggets in this thread.
how i usually approach a day 2 is after i get the number close, i continue to flirt, be fun, DHV and convey my personality via text. then i would CALL to set up the date. sometimes it can put alot of pressure on the girl, but i feel that if you have created enough attraction and comfort through your initial meeting and text, then she would really appreciate the effort you took to call; i think it really adds a nice personal touch.
my typical date is usually a quick bite and then a bar for drinks. i will always shoot for picking her up as you will HAVE to go back to her place to drop her off, and if your game is tight, she'll ask you in. it also shows that youre 'alpaha' and are leading; women like it when guys drive.
i feel that the dinner should be at some place casual (like village burger bar in uptown, then to social house, for example). this creates a low pressure enviorment and allows you to really get to know each other...
my seating is represented by the image below.
finish off with a few drinks, kino escalating and who knows what will happen at the end of th enight.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/aznsuperman1019/Seating.jpg[/IMG]
how i usually approach a day 2 is after i get the number close, i continue to flirt, be fun, DHV and convey my personality via text. then i would CALL to set up the date. sometimes it can put alot of pressure on the girl, but i feel that if you have created enough attraction and comfort through your initial meeting and text, then she would really appreciate the effort you took to call; i think it really adds a nice personal touch.
my typical date is usually a quick bite and then a bar for drinks. i will always shoot for picking her up as you will HAVE to go back to her place to drop her off, and if your game is tight, she'll ask you in. it also shows that youre 'alpaha' and are leading; women like it when guys drive.
i feel that the dinner should be at some place casual (like village burger bar in uptown, then to social house, for example). this creates a low pressure enviorment and allows you to really get to know each other...
my seating is represented by the image below.
finish off with a few drinks, kino escalating and who knows what will happen at the end of th enight.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/aznsuperman1019/Seating.jpg[/IMG]
- Guest
by Guest » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:06 pm
Hmm, all of you gents have some very interesting day2 ideas. In my prime my entire day2 philosophy was:
A) She comes over to my place, pop in a move, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner.
B) I go over to ger place, pop in a movie, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner, 96 minutes later hit the road.
However, I understand that this may not be feasible for all who dare try so here is a perfect day2 in a nutshell...
Anything.
Anything at all. Just don't make a big deal about it. Movie. Dinner. Dancing. Drinks. Walk in the park. Starbucks. It simply doesn't matter. Just make it practical, not fancy, don't put any pressure on her, just go out with her with the intentions of getting to know her and having fun. And if you tell her you're going out with a group, make sure you go out with a group.
You guys are putting all this pressure on a day2 when there is no need. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen move on to the next one.
A) She comes over to my place, pop in a move, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner.
B) I go over to ger place, pop in a movie, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner, 96 minutes later hit the road.
However, I understand that this may not be feasible for all who dare try so here is a perfect day2 in a nutshell...
Anything.
Anything at all. Just don't make a big deal about it. Movie. Dinner. Dancing. Drinks. Walk in the park. Starbucks. It simply doesn't matter. Just make it practical, not fancy, don't put any pressure on her, just go out with her with the intentions of getting to know her and having fun. And if you tell her you're going out with a group, make sure you go out with a group.
You guys are putting all this pressure on a day2 when there is no need. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen move on to the next one.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:17 am
I got a lot of responses from you guys while I was out. So, for easier reading and reference, I quoted everyone and responded.
I have a lot of things that I want to work on now and more correct approaches to day 2s.
Thanks for everyones responses. There is a lot of knowledge in the posts that can only be found through experience. There is a lot of info that will accelerate my learning rate and help me become my best me.
Tomorrow, I'm going to post a field report with as many details as I can remember and also my text msg logs. Please read and comment on it. Maybe I am consistently doing something to ruin day 2 setups.
[QUOTE=Lazarus]How you get her on the day2 may depend on your style.
Try the "I like you, let's meet up." It may not be the best way to get the day2 for you, but if there is something you feel you can't do, then you should do it at least once.
...
I suspect she may be confused as to why you want to see her.
[/QUOTE]
That makes a lot of sense. I am still in the process of discovering my method. But, I know that I want to go more direct. I like your idea of trying something new.
Both you and Bull Run mention that she may be confused on my intentions. I have had that feeling, and the girls I've been with have responded that way too. That's the reason why I want to ask girls on 1on1's instead :-)
[QUOTE=Bull Run]
Understand, that the worst thing you can be with a woman is BORING. It's better to be fun and exciting and interesting and to take risks than it is to play it safe. Now, this doesn't mean you have to show her your cards. Just be a little bit more fun with her. Tell her: "I don't think my mom will approve of my relationship with you, so we're going to have to run off and elope...we can honeymoon at The Super 8 in McKinney...you know, the one with the magic fingers beds."
...
The other thing that you need to think about is how much comfort you've built with this girl. In my opinion, the BIGGEST mistake guys make in PU is that they're too quick close.
...
I learned this dynamic and began to focus more on building comfort and creating rapport and found that although my number closes fell, the quality of those numbers improved dramatically.
...
It's not linear, it doesn't go number close, kiss close, fuck close. Keep that in mind.
[/QUOTE]
I think I mix up "have fun" and "do fun things". I'm not tense or anything when I ask them on a day 2. I casually mention them hanging out with me and my friends to do something fun. But, I can definitely see how it would be different to "have fun" while asking. I smiled when I read your playful teases and could instantly imagine myself using them congruently and her having fun agreeing.
Recently, I have been making sure that I do have comfort before asking them. My PUA friends showed me some videos of some guy named Jenson or Jackson or something...and all he did was go for numbers immediately. I recognized how many of the girls that seemed interested in him probably did not pick up or respond when he called.
I think you read my mind on the linearity. When I started learning game again, I started with MM which is very linear. Thanks for the insight because I find myself trying to pass every single checklist before even attempting to move forward.
[QUOTE=Smirks]
The point of that whole schpeel was that you need to focus less on the prize and more on the journey to it. I'd rather find out then and there if she's worth investing time in to than doing it later via text or whatever. If you get her to invest more of herself when interacting with you, setting up a day 2 will be no problem.
...
[regarding day 2 activities] it comes off as fun and goofy to my dates...which is very congruent with my personality. Don't worry so much about what you do...the game I made up has us doing crap like going to a random bar by a university on a random night and seeing whatever random ass band is playing (I'm big in to music, so that's big for me), going to a park and playing laser tag (I've done this since high school and it always ends with me chasing, catching, and kissing), causing trouble at Target or Walmart, people watching at a known 30k millionaire or cougar hang out, etc.
[/QUOTE]
Could you elaborate on her "investing in you"? My interpretation of that is time, and her wanting to know more about you (asking questions, keeping convo going, etc). How did you get her to invest? Was it by DHV'ing and being fun?
I like your day 2 activities. The conclusion I've come to is it should be something that allows you to convey your personality to her and vice versa. Whether it is mundane or spontaneous activities, your personality is always coming through.
[QUOTE=playercool]
I really like where this thread has gone.
You have some very experienced guys dishing out their methods here Sooner. One thing you should realize is they are all different. The differences are what is congruent with each persons personality. So keep that in mind when you are figuring out who you are and what you think is right or wrong on a date.
...
As far as setting up a Day2 I was always pretty confident and direct in my approach. I would chat/flirt via text and at some point just let her know I was taking her out(would never make it sexual)(Unless I had already fucked her)(And then nothing applies as you have already conquered her). 90% of the time this was over text(Most confusing sentence ever). On occasion, depending on the girl, I would call and ask her. Some girls although very rare these days are still old fashioned and appreciate the call. These girl I would view as girlfriend material and thus acted accordingly.
As far as venues I would mainly try for either a bar, or my house. In the future though I am going to see about going and shooting guns. I think that would be a kickass venue. Also don't rule out something very simple and short like meeting up for coffee or hot chocolate at starbucks. This can be like a 1 hour or less meet up and then part ways or venue change if you have the game. I would set this up during the initial meet up with the girl. I only use this venue in the winter though and I tell the girl she is going to buy me a cup of hot chocolate. It has a high success ratio as the girl has never heard it before. If she complies reward her for following through and footing the bill. If you are like me it will feel weird having her pay. I reward her by taking her out for drinks or dinner at a later point in time.
[/QUOTE]
I agree! I am learning a lot and gaining a lot of insight from everyone. Many of my limiting beliefs are being challenged!
I have been taking the same approach as you have for the setting up day 2s. I text at first to get more attraction and comfort, and then I either ask her in person or call her to set it up. I prime the day 2 by mentioning her "tagging along" and then getting her number (but my method WILL change to something more direct and most likely not group activities)
Shooting guns would be really unique. She'll think of you every time she shoots something/someone, haha. I'm making a list of things I'd like to do on day 2s from everyone's post. Starbucks and hot chocolate added :-)
[QUOTE=Fuzz]
At a certain point I realized the above, and I just all together stopped asking for numbers. The only way I'm going to get a girl's number is if she asks me for mine first, which is always a pretty strong IOI.
And am I wrong, but isn't the original poster in a college fraternity environment? This means that you're working within a very specific social circle, and you're probably going to run into a lot of the same girls all the time. Meaning numbers are really not that important.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree that her asking for your number is definitely a strong IOI. But, I prefer to ask because she may just be shy.
I do hang around with some frat guys. I'm not in one, though. Hell, I'm not even in a Texas college (TUCK FEXAS). HB7 cowgirl I met at the party. HB8 asian I met at dimsum with friends. HB7 british I met through a warm approach. I pretty much get all my numbers while doing random things (except at bars...my night game is pretty shitty. still have AA).
[QUOTE=Prodigy]
how i usually approach a day 2 is after i get the number close, i continue to flirt, be fun, DHV and convey my personality via text. then i would CALL to set up the date. sometimes it can put alot of pressure on the girl, but i feel that if you have created enough attraction and comfort through your initial meeting and text, then she would really appreciate the effort you took to call; i think it really adds a nice personal touch.
my typical date is usually a quick bite and then a bar for drinks. i will always shoot for picking her up as you will HAVE to go back to her place to drop her off, and if your game is tight, she'll ask you in. it also shows that youre 'alpaha' and are leading; women like it when guys drive.
[/QUOTE]
Yep, that's what I do too. Does that make me a Prodigy :-)
I like the picking her up as it does make it better logistically. I'll have to experiment with this and see what kind of responses I get from women.
[QUOTE=Lion]
Hmm, all of you gents have some very interesting day2 ideas. In my prime my entire day2 philosophy was:
A) She comes over to my place, pop in a move, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner.
B) I go over to ger place, pop in a movie, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner, 96 minutes later hit the road.
However, I understand that this may not be feasible for all who dare try so here is a perfect day2 in a nutshell...Anything.
Anything at all. Just don't make a big deal about it. Movie. Dinner. Dancing. Drinks. Walk in the park. Starbucks. It simply doesn't matter. Just make it practical, not fancy, don't put any pressure on her, just go out with her with the intentions of getting to know her and having fun. And if you tell her you're going out with a group, make sure you go out with a group.
[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a good day 2. I haven't been in that situation yet...but it's something to shoot for! I came to a similar conclusion as you after getting feedback from everyone.
I have a lot of things that I want to work on now and more correct approaches to day 2s.
Thanks for everyones responses. There is a lot of knowledge in the posts that can only be found through experience. There is a lot of info that will accelerate my learning rate and help me become my best me.
Tomorrow, I'm going to post a field report with as many details as I can remember and also my text msg logs. Please read and comment on it. Maybe I am consistently doing something to ruin day 2 setups.
[QUOTE=Lazarus]How you get her on the day2 may depend on your style.
Try the "I like you, let's meet up." It may not be the best way to get the day2 for you, but if there is something you feel you can't do, then you should do it at least once.
...
I suspect she may be confused as to why you want to see her.
[/QUOTE]
That makes a lot of sense. I am still in the process of discovering my method. But, I know that I want to go more direct. I like your idea of trying something new.
Both you and Bull Run mention that she may be confused on my intentions. I have had that feeling, and the girls I've been with have responded that way too. That's the reason why I want to ask girls on 1on1's instead :-)
[QUOTE=Bull Run]
Understand, that the worst thing you can be with a woman is BORING. It's better to be fun and exciting and interesting and to take risks than it is to play it safe. Now, this doesn't mean you have to show her your cards. Just be a little bit more fun with her. Tell her: "I don't think my mom will approve of my relationship with you, so we're going to have to run off and elope...we can honeymoon at The Super 8 in McKinney...you know, the one with the magic fingers beds."
...
The other thing that you need to think about is how much comfort you've built with this girl. In my opinion, the BIGGEST mistake guys make in PU is that they're too quick close.
...
I learned this dynamic and began to focus more on building comfort and creating rapport and found that although my number closes fell, the quality of those numbers improved dramatically.
...
It's not linear, it doesn't go number close, kiss close, fuck close. Keep that in mind.
[/QUOTE]
I think I mix up "have fun" and "do fun things". I'm not tense or anything when I ask them on a day 2. I casually mention them hanging out with me and my friends to do something fun. But, I can definitely see how it would be different to "have fun" while asking. I smiled when I read your playful teases and could instantly imagine myself using them congruently and her having fun agreeing.
Recently, I have been making sure that I do have comfort before asking them. My PUA friends showed me some videos of some guy named Jenson or Jackson or something...and all he did was go for numbers immediately. I recognized how many of the girls that seemed interested in him probably did not pick up or respond when he called.
I think you read my mind on the linearity. When I started learning game again, I started with MM which is very linear. Thanks for the insight because I find myself trying to pass every single checklist before even attempting to move forward.
[QUOTE=Smirks]
The point of that whole schpeel was that you need to focus less on the prize and more on the journey to it. I'd rather find out then and there if she's worth investing time in to than doing it later via text or whatever. If you get her to invest more of herself when interacting with you, setting up a day 2 will be no problem.
...
[regarding day 2 activities] it comes off as fun and goofy to my dates...which is very congruent with my personality. Don't worry so much about what you do...the game I made up has us doing crap like going to a random bar by a university on a random night and seeing whatever random ass band is playing (I'm big in to music, so that's big for me), going to a park and playing laser tag (I've done this since high school and it always ends with me chasing, catching, and kissing), causing trouble at Target or Walmart, people watching at a known 30k millionaire or cougar hang out, etc.
[/QUOTE]
Could you elaborate on her "investing in you"? My interpretation of that is time, and her wanting to know more about you (asking questions, keeping convo going, etc). How did you get her to invest? Was it by DHV'ing and being fun?
I like your day 2 activities. The conclusion I've come to is it should be something that allows you to convey your personality to her and vice versa. Whether it is mundane or spontaneous activities, your personality is always coming through.
[QUOTE=playercool]
I really like where this thread has gone.
You have some very experienced guys dishing out their methods here Sooner. One thing you should realize is they are all different. The differences are what is congruent with each persons personality. So keep that in mind when you are figuring out who you are and what you think is right or wrong on a date.
...
As far as setting up a Day2 I was always pretty confident and direct in my approach. I would chat/flirt via text and at some point just let her know I was taking her out(would never make it sexual)(Unless I had already fucked her)(And then nothing applies as you have already conquered her). 90% of the time this was over text(Most confusing sentence ever). On occasion, depending on the girl, I would call and ask her. Some girls although very rare these days are still old fashioned and appreciate the call. These girl I would view as girlfriend material and thus acted accordingly.
As far as venues I would mainly try for either a bar, or my house. In the future though I am going to see about going and shooting guns. I think that would be a kickass venue. Also don't rule out something very simple and short like meeting up for coffee or hot chocolate at starbucks. This can be like a 1 hour or less meet up and then part ways or venue change if you have the game. I would set this up during the initial meet up with the girl. I only use this venue in the winter though and I tell the girl she is going to buy me a cup of hot chocolate. It has a high success ratio as the girl has never heard it before. If she complies reward her for following through and footing the bill. If you are like me it will feel weird having her pay. I reward her by taking her out for drinks or dinner at a later point in time.
[/QUOTE]
I agree! I am learning a lot and gaining a lot of insight from everyone. Many of my limiting beliefs are being challenged!
I have been taking the same approach as you have for the setting up day 2s. I text at first to get more attraction and comfort, and then I either ask her in person or call her to set it up. I prime the day 2 by mentioning her "tagging along" and then getting her number (but my method WILL change to something more direct and most likely not group activities)
Shooting guns would be really unique. She'll think of you every time she shoots something/someone, haha. I'm making a list of things I'd like to do on day 2s from everyone's post. Starbucks and hot chocolate added :-)
[QUOTE=Fuzz]
At a certain point I realized the above, and I just all together stopped asking for numbers. The only way I'm going to get a girl's number is if she asks me for mine first, which is always a pretty strong IOI.
And am I wrong, but isn't the original poster in a college fraternity environment? This means that you're working within a very specific social circle, and you're probably going to run into a lot of the same girls all the time. Meaning numbers are really not that important.
[/QUOTE]
I do agree that her asking for your number is definitely a strong IOI. But, I prefer to ask because she may just be shy.
I do hang around with some frat guys. I'm not in one, though. Hell, I'm not even in a Texas college (TUCK FEXAS). HB7 cowgirl I met at the party. HB8 asian I met at dimsum with friends. HB7 british I met through a warm approach. I pretty much get all my numbers while doing random things (except at bars...my night game is pretty shitty. still have AA).
[QUOTE=Prodigy]
how i usually approach a day 2 is after i get the number close, i continue to flirt, be fun, DHV and convey my personality via text. then i would CALL to set up the date. sometimes it can put alot of pressure on the girl, but i feel that if you have created enough attraction and comfort through your initial meeting and text, then she would really appreciate the effort you took to call; i think it really adds a nice personal touch.
my typical date is usually a quick bite and then a bar for drinks. i will always shoot for picking her up as you will HAVE to go back to her place to drop her off, and if your game is tight, she'll ask you in. it also shows that youre 'alpaha' and are leading; women like it when guys drive.
[/QUOTE]
Yep, that's what I do too. Does that make me a Prodigy :-)
I like the picking her up as it does make it better logistically. I'll have to experiment with this and see what kind of responses I get from women.
[QUOTE=Lion]
Hmm, all of you gents have some very interesting day2 ideas. In my prime my entire day2 philosophy was:
A) She comes over to my place, pop in a move, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner.
B) I go over to ger place, pop in a movie, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner, 96 minutes later hit the road.
However, I understand that this may not be feasible for all who dare try so here is a perfect day2 in a nutshell...Anything.
Anything at all. Just don't make a big deal about it. Movie. Dinner. Dancing. Drinks. Walk in the park. Starbucks. It simply doesn't matter. Just make it practical, not fancy, don't put any pressure on her, just go out with her with the intentions of getting to know her and having fun. And if you tell her you're going out with a group, make sure you go out with a group.
[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a good day 2. I haven't been in that situation yet...but it's something to shoot for! I came to a similar conclusion as you after getting feedback from everyone.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:41 am
[QUOTE=Lion;33649]Hmm, all of you gents have some very interesting day2 ideas. In my prime my entire day2 philosophy was:
A) She comes over to my place, pop in a move, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner.
B) I go over to ger place, pop in a movie, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner, 96 minutes later hit the road.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, this is a matter of style. I've always focused on day2s for a very specific reason: comfort. I have certain sexual requirements that I need women to meet. I won't elaborate, but if she's not getting fucking filthy then I'm not interested. In my experience, the best sex you ever have with women are when you invest a little time and get them in a fucking sexual frenzy. That's always been the goal of my day2s, to get them frothing at the fucking mouth for me to gag the fuck out of them with my cock...generally, you can't create this type of dynamic for an SNL or without some time investment. Don't get me wrong, it can happen but I'll say that 90% of my SNLs were the most boring lays ever and if I ever fucked them again they never got any better.
[QUOTE=Lion;33649]However, I understand that this may not be feasible for all who dare try so here is a perfect day2 in a nutshell...
Anything.
Anything at all. Just don't make a big deal about it. Movie. Dinner. Dancing. Drinks. Walk in the park. Starbucks. It simply doesn't matter. Just make it practical, not fancy, don't put any pressure on her, just go out with her with the intentions of getting to know her and having fun. And if you tell her you're going out with a group, make sure you go out with a group.
You guys are putting all this pressure on a day2 when there is no need. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen move on to the next one.[/QUOTE]
You're right on. There are some small details that I recommend everyone nail down, like seating positions as mentioned by Smirks and Prodigy. And, being familiar with YOUR part of town. The small, unique places you can take her. Things like that. But, in the end you can really do just about anything. No need to put undo pressure on yourself.
A) She comes over to my place, pop in a move, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner.
B) I go over to ger place, pop in a movie, 90 minutes later pop in a weiner, 96 minutes later hit the road.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, this is a matter of style. I've always focused on day2s for a very specific reason: comfort. I have certain sexual requirements that I need women to meet. I won't elaborate, but if she's not getting fucking filthy then I'm not interested. In my experience, the best sex you ever have with women are when you invest a little time and get them in a fucking sexual frenzy. That's always been the goal of my day2s, to get them frothing at the fucking mouth for me to gag the fuck out of them with my cock...generally, you can't create this type of dynamic for an SNL or without some time investment. Don't get me wrong, it can happen but I'll say that 90% of my SNLs were the most boring lays ever and if I ever fucked them again they never got any better.
[QUOTE=Lion;33649]However, I understand that this may not be feasible for all who dare try so here is a perfect day2 in a nutshell...
Anything.
Anything at all. Just don't make a big deal about it. Movie. Dinner. Dancing. Drinks. Walk in the park. Starbucks. It simply doesn't matter. Just make it practical, not fancy, don't put any pressure on her, just go out with her with the intentions of getting to know her and having fun. And if you tell her you're going out with a group, make sure you go out with a group.
You guys are putting all this pressure on a day2 when there is no need. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen move on to the next one.[/QUOTE]
You're right on. There are some small details that I recommend everyone nail down, like seating positions as mentioned by Smirks and Prodigy. And, being familiar with YOUR part of town. The small, unique places you can take her. Things like that. But, in the end you can really do just about anything. No need to put undo pressure on yourself.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:17 pm
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Could you elaborate on her "investing in you"? My interpretation of that is time, and her wanting to know more about you (asking questions, keeping convo going, etc). How did you get her to invest? Was it by DHV'ing and being fun?
I like your day 2 activities. The conclusion I've come to is it should be something that allows you to convey your personality to her and vice versa. Whether it is mundane or spontaneous activities, your personality is always coming through.
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I think the common factor in everything I do to get a girl to invest in me and the conversation is to never really give/tell all. For instance, the first thing that comes up (90% of the time) that I start this is the, "So, what do you do?" question. I always answer with some variant of, "I make the internet work." What I really do is write web applications for school districts, mainly Special Education Departments, integrating any and all technologies they rely on. Which answer leaves the mind wondering? I also stole, "I work for Facebook" from AlphaMo...and since I can talk tech it actually worked when her techy gay bff beat me down with questions in disbelief...but my default answer seems to work better.
One of the underlying themes of every post here is keeping things congruent with your personality. If you're energetic and playful like I am, be coy with your answers...tell half of a fun interesting story and throw, "you'll hear about the rest of that later" or "I'd tell you the rest, but I'm not sure you can handle it. Oh, you can? Prove it." Now she's telling you about HER...and it's not going to be some interview-like answer, either.
I also like to do the whole cold read thing. Make assumptions about her or even something in your general area that might be of interest and see what she thinks about it. She'll try to prove you wrong, or inquire on why you think that...and if you're correct, how you knew that. For instance, last Friday one of the girls wanted a cigarette. I picked a guy out and said, "he smokes, but doesn't have them...but he'll bum one from his friend for you without you even needing to say anything more than, "Can I bum a cigarette from you?" It worked. Now, I simply came in the bar behind this guy and saw him bum one from that friend, so it's kind of cheating, but still...
The Emotional Rollercoaster. This is how I refer to how I used my ADHD to my advantage in set. I bounce from topic to topic, and I try my best to vary the emotion in each story. I'll use it to tone general conversation too, not just stories. If I went all full blast, I'd seem like a coke head. If I went all mellow, I'd seem emo. I use happy mediums on each side of that spectrum and bounce it around. Why do I do this? Taking women on a rollercoaster ride through all of their emotions will subconsciously confuse them about what they're feeling toward you. She'll have to consciously think about it. If she's comfortable around you, you're fun but also show that you have social awareness and intelligence, my bet is she's going to view you positively. Throw in the kino you've been introducing occasionally throughout the interaction, the teasing/flirting with sexual undertones you've been tossing here way (push/pull comments are an example for you methodology whores)...and you, my friend, have a recipe for a attraction/crush.
Could you elaborate on her "investing in you"? My interpretation of that is time, and her wanting to know more about you (asking questions, keeping convo going, etc). How did you get her to invest? Was it by DHV'ing and being fun?
I like your day 2 activities. The conclusion I've come to is it should be something that allows you to convey your personality to her and vice versa. Whether it is mundane or spontaneous activities, your personality is always coming through.
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I think the common factor in everything I do to get a girl to invest in me and the conversation is to never really give/tell all. For instance, the first thing that comes up (90% of the time) that I start this is the, "So, what do you do?" question. I always answer with some variant of, "I make the internet work." What I really do is write web applications for school districts, mainly Special Education Departments, integrating any and all technologies they rely on. Which answer leaves the mind wondering? I also stole, "I work for Facebook" from AlphaMo...and since I can talk tech it actually worked when her techy gay bff beat me down with questions in disbelief...but my default answer seems to work better.
One of the underlying themes of every post here is keeping things congruent with your personality. If you're energetic and playful like I am, be coy with your answers...tell half of a fun interesting story and throw, "you'll hear about the rest of that later" or "I'd tell you the rest, but I'm not sure you can handle it. Oh, you can? Prove it." Now she's telling you about HER...and it's not going to be some interview-like answer, either.
I also like to do the whole cold read thing. Make assumptions about her or even something in your general area that might be of interest and see what she thinks about it. She'll try to prove you wrong, or inquire on why you think that...and if you're correct, how you knew that. For instance, last Friday one of the girls wanted a cigarette. I picked a guy out and said, "he smokes, but doesn't have them...but he'll bum one from his friend for you without you even needing to say anything more than, "Can I bum a cigarette from you?" It worked. Now, I simply came in the bar behind this guy and saw him bum one from that friend, so it's kind of cheating, but still...
The Emotional Rollercoaster. This is how I refer to how I used my ADHD to my advantage in set. I bounce from topic to topic, and I try my best to vary the emotion in each story. I'll use it to tone general conversation too, not just stories. If I went all full blast, I'd seem like a coke head. If I went all mellow, I'd seem emo. I use happy mediums on each side of that spectrum and bounce it around. Why do I do this? Taking women on a rollercoaster ride through all of their emotions will subconsciously confuse them about what they're feeling toward you. She'll have to consciously think about it. If she's comfortable around you, you're fun but also show that you have social awareness and intelligence, my bet is she's going to view you positively. Throw in the kino you've been introducing occasionally throughout the interaction, the teasing/flirting with sexual undertones you've been tossing here way (push/pull comments are an example for you methodology whores)...and you, my friend, have a recipe for a attraction/crush.
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