Not Carrying a Condom

[Guest]

This is terrible for SNL's, but it works in the long run. The idea came from watching this old film noir about a botched diamond heist. The mastermind behind the whole thing is trying to flee to Mexico, but first he's got to make it across town without being caught by all the cops looking for him, and his wanted mugshot in every newspaper. Someone offers him a gun, and he declines. His logic is that if you carry a gun, you're more likely to shot someone -- a cop maybe -- then you're up for murder. And if you shoot a cop, chances are they'll kill you.

There's a similar mentality behind my tactic of never carrying a condom. If you carry a condom, you obviously intend to fuck someone. I'm not sure about everyone here, but I always try to practice safe sex, and I always try to use a condom the first time I'm with a woman at least. Because I never carry a condom, in the final stages of seduction, I can always say, "I don't want to have sex because I don't have a condom," then I continue plowing through. This is pretty great form of plausible deniability, escpecially if you actually mean it. Every time I've done it, it allowed me to go pretty far with the girl just without any actual penis/vagina intercourse. The last time I did it, the girl asked me why I didn't bring a condom (note hours earlier she was telling me she wasn't going to have sex, because it would be weird fucking on the first date). I told her I didn't think we were going to have sex. It makes it seem as if the whole thing "just happened." The next time you see the girl, she's sure to want to have sex. Or if you go to her place and she keeps condoms herself, she might break them out and offer them to you.

I was curious what you guys thought. I've tried it a bunch of times and it has always worked for me. It is the long way of going about things (usually calls for a day 2 or even 3) but it's been a sure way for me.

[Guest]

thats a damn good way of flying in under the radar, and building that much needed sexual tension that is sure to set any girls pantys a flame. I'll keep that line in mind the next time i'm out.

[Guest]

I think you're missing out.

Safe sex is a must for me, even when the chick is so caught up in the moment she can't wait those few seconds for me to wrap it up.

I disagree with your premise that "if you carry a condom, you intend to fuck someone."

I carry a condom because I am open to the possibility of fucking someone.

I also carry money with me because I am open to the possibility of buying something. Doesn't mean I intend to buy something.

There are other ways of building up this sexual tension.

[Guest]

My mentality is that I don't care one way or another if I have sex that night or not. Which, is pretty much honest.

[Guest]

Brilliant.

Refusing to never have unprotected sex by not carrying a condom. The genius is in the simplicity.

I won't have unprotected sex - therefore I won't carry a condom - therefore insuring my safety.

[Guest]

Guess you guys hate it, but it's worked for me. Oh, well....

[Guest]

I've actually experienced the opposite effect. The nights I brought a condom I felt more sexual energy. I was thinking of sex all night and putting myself in a position to have said sex. I felt more aggressive and assertive.

But, I do see the premise here.

If you're 100% hellbent on having completely protected sex all the time and it's one of your deal breakers then not bringing a condom can have a powerful psychological impact on you. If stripping out the quest for sex makes you feel more indifferent and less outcome dependent then I think this is a great tactic.

Fuck guys, we say this all the time. Don't focus on fucking her, focus on x, y, and z. Don't invest too much. Don't seek approval. Etc. We rarely say you need to focus on this or that, just a shit ton of theory and generalities. The Devil's in the details you know?

This is a detail. And, it has value.

This works for someone out there, so it will probably work for others. It won't work for everyone. We're all different. We all have different styles and we all do different things that we think gives us an edge. So, if you believe it works, then continue to doing this until you are proven otherwise.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Bull Run;33338]If you're 100% hellbent on having completely protected sex all the time and it's one of your deal breakers then not bringing a condom can have a powerful psychological impact on you.
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If you're completely hellbent on not having unprotected sex wouldn't it make a tad more sense to bring condoms? You can use the "I don't have a condom" routine to work her up and right when she's at the point, "guess what, I found a condom!".

If you're goal is to not have sex then sure, it makes sense to not bring a condom. If you're goal is to have sex (what PUA doesn't want to fuck?) then why the hell would you shoot yourself in the foot and not bring a condom?

In OP's fist post he mentioned the gun story. " His logic is that if you carry a gun, you're more likely to shot someone -- a cop maybe -- then you're up for murder." Well, if you bring condoms you're more likely to use them. Sure. Why the fuck not use them? Is getting laid the first night instead of having to drag it out equal to murder?

I want to go out for the evening. If I bring my ID I'll surely order drinks and have fun. If I order drinks I'll probably order too many. I'll just leave my ID at home. Now I'm hanging out outside the bar while everyone else is inside having fun.

[Guest]

I agree with Lion. Bring them, and deny that you have it. You're not lying, you just forgot about it... I really don't think it matters that much. As long as you have your frame right and your game on lock, you should be good to go.

[Guest]

You guys are focusing on the wrong aspect of this.

I'm speaking of the idea that this technique may provide some guys with a mental edge. Being completely, 100% unprepared for sex may provide some guys with a better ability to interact with a woman and not be outcome dependent.

I guess the thinking is as such, "if she doesn't like me that's fine, I can't fuck her tonight anyway."

I'm not sure he's trying to penalize himself by not bringing a condom, I just think that he's trying to take sex out of the equation thereby making it easier for him to run Game.
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