Assume Attraction ---> Go Direct??

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One of the biggest hurdles in my journey to becoming a great PUA is my approach anxiety. I have to be able to consistently open to continue to grow and develop my game; to be GREAT!

I know why I dont open and am currently working on it...my goal for the next several outings (until i can open anyone, anytime, anywhere) is to approach, approach, approach! Hot chicks, ugly chicks, fat chicks, you name it! Okay, well maybe not ugly or fat chicks, but any girl that is decent and fuckable (i'd say 6+)...

Having said that, the foundation of my gaming style is Mystery's M3 model. I have never read any of Tyler Durden's RSD, David DeAngelo nor Asian Playboy's ABC's of Attraction (my other goal is to read more material once things in life settle down a bit). One of the key elements of the Mystery Method is the Indirect Opener; you should wait until A3 to show Male-to-female interest. Showing lack of interest will lower her sheild and the female should consistently open.

Most would agree (and I believe) that I am an attractive guy. I have even heard others from this board state my ability to generate attraction. For the most part, the opposite sex finds me attractive. With that being said, some of the old timers on this board have said to assume attraction. If she's talking to you, she's attracted. If you're a good looking guy, assume attraction.

This made me think.

If you're attractive, women see value in you.

So, if you follow the philsophy of assuming attraction, should you go direct rather than indirect? Essentially, you're starting the game in A3.

Would this give her too much value by you showing interest too early?

What have been your experience in going direct?

Should I only go direct on HB6-7's and go indirect for 9 and 10's?

Of course I understand that its best to utilize both types of openers as each work effectively on different types of women...

Please discuss...!

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Haha, yes, you are an attractive guy :)

I actually don't use indirect. I opened the two set on friday with "What's up guys - you look fun, had to come say hi." (people call that social direct.) This may not be the type of direct you're asking about though.

I've only done super direct (hey, you look sexy / cute /adorable / etc) a couple of times at nights - most times I chicken out. I do it all the time during the day though, and on average, the hotter the girl, the better super direct works.

Offtopic: do you have a stack? I ask because having a 2-3 minute opening / attraction stack has GREATLY improved my ability to overcome AA. Even when I'm damn nervous, I slap on a smile and recite from memory.

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If you go direct, and she hasn't told you to get lost (nicely of course, because what bitch would tell you to "fuck off" after you just complimented them?) then you are in the clear, try and break into comfort because you have already established attraction.

Direct if you are attractive, but not creepy "westfall" direct. (i know most of you wont get that.)

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Direct if you are attractive, but not creepy "westfall" direct. (i know most of you wont get that.)

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I get it, and it's a good analogy. too bad no one will get it.

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Prodigy- go ahead an approach those ugly fatties! I like to find my way to the dancer floor and starting giving attention to a fatty right in front of a group of hotties. These hotties always get this look on their face like..........why is that cute guy dancing with that fat girl?? whats wrong with me?? here I am half bored hoping some cute guy will come along and dance with me and then a fatty gets picked over me???? wtf?

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Direct if you are attractive, but not creepy "westfall" direct. (i know most of you wont get that.)

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stolen

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This made me think.

If you're attractive, women see value in you.

[b] [i]For the most part yes this is correct. This is the main reason a guy of VALUE can open direct. The girl has already said to herself if that guy right there that I think is attractive isn't a douche bag I would go out with him. So if you start talking to her you can give her value. She thinks highly of you from the start. If this girl is a 7 you should definitely give value to her because she will feel below you from the start.[/i] [/b]

So, if you follow the philsophy of assuming attraction, should you go direct rather than indirect? Essentially, you're starting the game in A3.

[b] [i]This is something with time you will get better at. You can't go direct with everyone and think you will always have success. [/i] [/b]

Would this give her too much value by you showing interest too early?

[b] [i]If she thinks of you as a super high value person not at all. In most instances I feel like I am 2 levels above her. So I have to give her value for her to think I am seriously into her. Just start having that mentality. [/i] [/b]

What have been your experience in going direct?

[b] [i]I fucked a lot of girls and had many SNL's. Is that what you meant by that question?[/i] [/b]

Should I only go direct on HB6-7's and go indirect for 9 and 10's?

[b] [i]Nah. It is less about their HBrating. I can't explain what exactly it is that makes me decide to go indirect rather than direct. It is something other than that though. It is more about the way she carries herself.[/i] [/b]

Of course I understand that its best to utilize both types of openers as each work effectively on different types of women...

[b] [i] [u]I think you are a swell guy![/u] [/i] [/b]

Please discuss...!


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Direct or Indirect?

At some point you will start to pick and choose who you go direct with and who you go indirect with. I don't know if it is a 6th sense or you are just reading the situation. I mix it up big time and have results both ways.

For the most part though I would say I do go direct. I hate beating around the bush and that is why I mainly go direct.

Hi, I like you, I am taking you out.

I told her how I felt and I told her I am taking her out. I didn't ask for permission.

Hey can I take you out sometime? Hey can I get your number?

Fuck that gay homo shit. Girls don't like that. They want a man to step up and tell them how it is going to be.

Of course that is all well and good until she tells you to fuck off. Or I have a boyfriend. Or I am washing my hair. Understand going direct can really slam your foot in the door. You will get shot down. You will get shot down hard.

If you are going direct you better make sure you feel like a badass. If you think there is a chance for rejection just back away and go home. You really need to be almost over confident. Not in some cocky way though that she will pick up on. Just in a way that yes you ASSUME ATTRACTION and you believe she will say yes she wants to grab a margarita at Gloria's with you Sunday night.




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Basically, PC, you need to be outcome independent...

If she likes me, she likes me...if not, she doesn't. The fact is that you like her and you want her...that's all that really needs to matter in your head. The outcome is a different part of the equation.

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Basically, PC, you need to be outcome independent...

If she likes me, she likes me...if not, she doesn't. The fact is that you like her and you want her...that's all that really needs to matter in your head. The outcome is a different part of the equation.
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I get the impression that your mentality is: If it doesn't work or click the first time or VERY quickly...then she ain't worth it and its time to move on.

Whereas for me, if things don't seem to be working right away, it only intrigues me further to find a way to reel her in. Classic 'want-what-you-cant-have' syndrome I guess...

So unless she's just completely smokin 8.5 material, I tend to lose interest in a girl that just falls right into my lap. The girl that doesn't fall for the easy game is more likely to have her shit together...and a girl who's putty in my hands really just bores me.

So, when running "direct", a little bit of outcome dependence is what drives me to keep going while she shit-tests and I hold my ground and work my way in. I'm competitive in general, so I want to win.

The trick is to not let it get the best of you as, I'll admit, does happen to me sometimes. But I know from experience that it's possible to overcome that...and its a small price to pay for a little more (of what I consider) quality in the girl.

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And to put things back a little more on topic:

Assuming attraction doesn't inherently mean that you have to go direct. It just means that you don't have to worry about trying to spark her interest...and can focus on other things.

Because you act in such a way that you already assume she's interested, she will likely begin to make the same assumption and follow suit. Your "assumption" is just a subtle form of confidence.

Its like telling a story...then giving a pertinent side-note in the middle really quick....then continuing the story.
People generally aren't going to stop and question the validity of the side-note, they're likely to just accept it quickly and move forward since the story is the more important part of the situation.