Question about eye contact

[Guest]

I was talking to a girl and I was asking her about guys hitting on her and how often it happens. She said she gets hit on all the time, even places where alcohol isn't served.

So I asked her if she could tell when a guy wants to approach her but doesn't have the guts to approach. She said she can always tell. So I immediately assumed it must be eye contact.

I asked her about eye contact and sure enough, that was how she could tell if a guy wanted to talk to her. She said if a guy does that but doesn't come over and talk to her, she immediately writes them off as cowards, or something to that effect.

I realize that what women say they want and what they actually respond to are often WAY different, so I wanted to ask the fellow PUA's here. Is this true? Are we better off NOT making eye contact with a woman at all than to eye fuck from a distance and not approach?

I have been working on my eye-fuck game, which, by the way, does NOT come natural at all for me, but seldom, if ever, do I follow it up with an approach. Am I making a terrible mistake? I have found strong eye contact with drunk girls later at night often gets them approaching me (that is, to order a drink, and then they "accidentally" rub against me and then I open.)

Is it a really bad idea to initiate strong eye contact if you don't follow it up with an approach?

[Guest]

As an avid user of the technique, allow me to assure you that 'eye fucking' is certainly not detrimental to game.

Of course, as with anything else, context is easily one of the most important aspects of any piece of advice or generalization.
(i.e. don't eye fuck a chick while she tells you about her bed-ridden grandfather who is dieing of cancer. Ain't you're best option...)

But back to the point:
Why would you assume that it is JUST eye contact that indicates to a girl whether a guy does or doesn't have the guts to approach? I think that is a huge over-simplification.
People (human beings...guys AND girls) have extremely complex social structures and interaction methods, and things just aren't that simple.

Body language, perceived interaction with others, HOW you make eye contact...they all play a part in how she sizes up your 'probable' personality in her mind.

Example:
PussyMan (who, lets say, is decently attractive) stares creepily (<-- defined by body language...or perhaps that he's been sitting at the bar alone all night not talking to anyone...the list goes on) at a girl. Every time she looks over his way, though, he quickly averts his stare.
She writes this guy off pretty quickly. Even if he does approach later, unless he's done alot to change her perception, he's going to be at a huge disadvantage.

ConMan is talking to friends, while a girl in the background catches his attention. He likes what he sees...and she notices him staring at him. When she looks back at him, he gives her a little smile...or, better, the ole' eye-fuck...and returns to his conversation.
He might approach her later if he feels like it, but right now he's busy.
If/when he does approach later, he probably already has a fairly decent pre-judgment of himself planted in her mind to start things off with.

[Guest]

I agree with alpha mo.

My general rule is do not make eye contact with a girl until you are ready to approach. There are always exceptions. mine are :

in a non-longe/bar/club setting; I will do so just to recognize the other person and pass my god vibes on to them, generally getting a smile and eye contact in return

2) im playing the room in a similar method Alphamo described Conman to b in.

3: I want her to approach me..

im sure t here are more I have but the fact that it is 5am and i've yet to go to bed is killing me!

[Guest]

I think there's a good and bad way to eye fuck. The easiest way I can describe them is the two different ways you can fuck: Sub and Dom.

Sub eye fucking is like puppy dog eyes longing for her attention from across the room. This makes you the bitch, basically.

Dom eye fucking is quickly showing with a few seconds of eye contact that you're metaphorically pushing her up against the wall and sexually ravaging her...

That's how I look at it...like they said above, you can be sexy or you can be creepy. The line is fine here...tread lightly. : )

[Guest]

When I first got into the game I studied some naturals. I was lucky to have a few friends who pulled more than anyone else I knew. I was privy to some of their tactics.

I have this one friend who does not give a shit about anyone or anything. Now this mentality is a little fucked up but when it comes to getting girls it worked like a charm.

He would eye fuck a girl better than anyone. Now this didn't always work for him but it did work a lot. I asked him about this tactic because I found it very interesting. At first I thought it was actually a bit creepy. But as I ventured more into the game I figured out that it wasn't creepy at all. The girl actually welcomed the eye fucking <-------- Or just badass dominant eye contact is how I like to look at it. So as you can imagine I started incorporating this into my game. Plus I think of this as a more direct type game and that is what I would say I ended up doing more of.

Eye fucking or dominant eye contact can be used in two ways. One is you get the girl to open you in some manner. Which these days I would actually say happens quite a bit if you are viewed as a high value male. The other is once you establish the correct eye contact back from the female it is your duty to open her. I promise you if you just walk right up to her after said eye contact she will think highly of you that you had the balls to approach when she gave the approach invitation. Just like your girl said Alphagame.