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winning over groups
by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 12:42 am
When it comes to this I a pretty much new. I have managed to number close and pick up a girl out of a two-set or a three-set but when I try to approach a larger set (say a group of 6 or 7 girls for instance) I of course have a harder time trying to win the group over and isolate one girl. Is it possible to fragment the group and only win over a few of the girls to still come out on top? Since I just moved to Dallas I dont have to many people to go out with now, let alone a wingman to help ease my burden, so most of the time I am stuck trying to do pickup myself.
Off the subject a little bit I would like to ask one more question. A girl I have been talking to invited me out to a gay bar called S4. At first I was a little apprehensive about going in. All together it was four girls there along with three straight guys. What I did see a first did not suprise me; lots of gay guys. The thing I kept talking to one of the other guys about when my date and her girlfriends were out dancing was all of the hot straight girls in the club, without a doubt some of the best looking girls I have ever seen in Dallas. The other thing that blew me away about this club was the layout and atomosphere which is awesome. After chatting around for a bit I found out that most of the girls go there to check out the guys and to not get hit on. The big question I have is what would someone think of sarging in this type of venue? I would think about trying it once I get a little more experience. Am I crazy or what?
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by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 2:33 am
[quote1242804526=Constantine]
When it comes to this I a pretty much new. I have managed to number close and pick up a girl out of a two-set or a three-set but when I try to approach a larger set (say a group of 6 or 7 girls for instance) I of course have a harder time trying to win the group over and isolate one girl. Is it possible to fragment the group and only win over a few of the girls to still come out on top? Since I just moved to Dallas I dont have to many people to go out with now, let alone a wingman to help ease my burden, so most of the time I am stuck trying to do pickup myself.
Off the subject a little bit I would like to ask one more question. A girl I have been talking to invited me out to a gay bar called S4. At first I was a little apprehensive about going in. All together it was four girls there along with three straight guys. What I did see a first did not suprise me; lots of gay guys. The thing I kept talking to one of the other guys about when my date and her girlfriends were out dancing was all of the hot straight girls in the club, without a doubt some of the best looking girls I have ever seen in Dallas. The other thing that blew me away about this club was the layout and atomosphere which is awesome. After chatting around for a bit I found out that most of the girls go there to check out the guys and to not get hit on. The big question I have is what would someone think of sarging in this type of venue? I would think about trying it once I get a little more experience. Am I crazy or what?
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If you ever sit back and really watch a group of girls 5+ you will see they are almost always broken into smaller groups. Groups of 2-3-4 whatever inside the GROUP. The great thing about bigger groups like this is it is actually much easier than say a 2 set. One thing I like about it is say you are successful, the other girls still have someone to go hang with if you pull your target. In a 2 set you basically have no choice but to entertain both girls. Your target isn't going to ditch her friend. But with these big sets it is common for a girl to ditch her group and go elsewhere since the other girls have other girls to keep them company.
As far as S4 I have never been. But what you say is pretty much spot on. Girls who want to go out and dance hate when dudes come up and annoy them. They are plenty happy dancing with their girlfriends. So what better place than a gay club. I would imagine running game in a venue like this would be slightly easier since their bitch shields are more than likely a bit lower. You could say it would be similar to if they are just walking around during the day. So with that said you are not crazy. In fact you might be crazy if you don't take advantage of it.
When it comes to this I a pretty much new. I have managed to number close and pick up a girl out of a two-set or a three-set but when I try to approach a larger set (say a group of 6 or 7 girls for instance) I of course have a harder time trying to win the group over and isolate one girl. Is it possible to fragment the group and only win over a few of the girls to still come out on top? Since I just moved to Dallas I dont have to many people to go out with now, let alone a wingman to help ease my burden, so most of the time I am stuck trying to do pickup myself.
Off the subject a little bit I would like to ask one more question. A girl I have been talking to invited me out to a gay bar called S4. At first I was a little apprehensive about going in. All together it was four girls there along with three straight guys. What I did see a first did not suprise me; lots of gay guys. The thing I kept talking to one of the other guys about when my date and her girlfriends were out dancing was all of the hot straight girls in the club, without a doubt some of the best looking girls I have ever seen in Dallas. The other thing that blew me away about this club was the layout and atomosphere which is awesome. After chatting around for a bit I found out that most of the girls go there to check out the guys and to not get hit on. The big question I have is what would someone think of sarging in this type of venue? I would think about trying it once I get a little more experience. Am I crazy or what?
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If you ever sit back and really watch a group of girls 5+ you will see they are almost always broken into smaller groups. Groups of 2-3-4 whatever inside the GROUP. The great thing about bigger groups like this is it is actually much easier than say a 2 set. One thing I like about it is say you are successful, the other girls still have someone to go hang with if you pull your target. In a 2 set you basically have no choice but to entertain both girls. Your target isn't going to ditch her friend. But with these big sets it is common for a girl to ditch her group and go elsewhere since the other girls have other girls to keep them company.
As far as S4 I have never been. But what you say is pretty much spot on. Girls who want to go out and dance hate when dudes come up and annoy them. They are plenty happy dancing with their girlfriends. So what better place than a gay club. I would imagine running game in a venue like this would be slightly easier since their bitch shields are more than likely a bit lower. You could say it would be similar to if they are just walking around during the day. So with that said you are not crazy. In fact you might be crazy if you don't take advantage of it.
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by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 9:20 am
just like PC said, group dynamics, its hard to keep a group that big together. what you will have though are external interupts, where the members of her group will come in, once youve opened, and try and blow you out. It really is no different than a 2 or 3 set where you just have to win the immediate surrounding ones admiration.
S4, several have done that in which you speak as far as picking up goes. As far as the girls taking you guys to S4, i hope, for your sake, you nailed her right after you left there.
S4, several have done that in which you speak as far as picking up goes. As far as the girls taking you guys to S4, i hope, for your sake, you nailed her right after you left there.
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by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 9:39 am
PC is right. Larger groups tend to fragment into 3s and 4s. It's virtually impossible for a group of people to continue to engage each other in conversation when the group is larger than say 4 because people just tend to talk over each other. The easiest set is a 3 set, no question.
S4 is a pimpin place, no doubt. Actually MOST of the gay clubs are much, much cooler than straight clubs. I know that sounds weird, but it's true. Funny thing is that this is generally universally true. If you look at different pockets of the city over the years, you'll see that artists and gays tend to create trendy little pockets in the city. These pockets become popular, then real estate values and rents increase, which prices the gays and artists out of the market. They move somewhere else, and that cool part of the city is left to the rest of the world that can afford it. In time, those that moved there for the culture leave because it's full of rich douchebags. This happens in every city in America.
So, it's not at all surprising that their clubs tend to be much, much cooler. Same goes for the artsy people. Their bars and hang outs are substantially cooler than anything you'd find in Uptown.
I've got an LTR that's bi-curious, so we go to the gay bars relatively frequently so she can work her magic. But, I've sarged the gay clubs a few times out of curiosity and my experiences were generally very positive. You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that. But, that's no biggie if you learn to be-friend them (which takes some time to figure out). More often than not when they figure out you're gay, they're with a friend that's a girl and they'll want to introduce you to her, which is all kinds of mass social proof because he's going to talk you up to her because he already likes you. That, and gay men are whores. If you think about it, this makes all the sense in the world. Anyway, in that frame, the girl is going to be much more likely to get sexual with you than she otherwise would be...the fear of being a slut is diminished in a venue where guys are sucking each other off in the bathrooms and dancing half naked. So, you don't have to worry too much about trying to be subtle. I've literally had a girl's gay friends call us a cab and tell us to go home and fuck.
There are a handful of guys on here that sarge the gay clubs relatively frequently...I'm sure they can offer a lot more insight.
S4 is a pimpin place, no doubt. Actually MOST of the gay clubs are much, much cooler than straight clubs. I know that sounds weird, but it's true. Funny thing is that this is generally universally true. If you look at different pockets of the city over the years, you'll see that artists and gays tend to create trendy little pockets in the city. These pockets become popular, then real estate values and rents increase, which prices the gays and artists out of the market. They move somewhere else, and that cool part of the city is left to the rest of the world that can afford it. In time, those that moved there for the culture leave because it's full of rich douchebags. This happens in every city in America.
So, it's not at all surprising that their clubs tend to be much, much cooler. Same goes for the artsy people. Their bars and hang outs are substantially cooler than anything you'd find in Uptown.
I've got an LTR that's bi-curious, so we go to the gay bars relatively frequently so she can work her magic. But, I've sarged the gay clubs a few times out of curiosity and my experiences were generally very positive. You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that. But, that's no biggie if you learn to be-friend them (which takes some time to figure out). More often than not when they figure out you're gay, they're with a friend that's a girl and they'll want to introduce you to her, which is all kinds of mass social proof because he's going to talk you up to her because he already likes you. That, and gay men are whores. If you think about it, this makes all the sense in the world. Anyway, in that frame, the girl is going to be much more likely to get sexual with you than she otherwise would be...the fear of being a slut is diminished in a venue where guys are sucking each other off in the bathrooms and dancing half naked. So, you don't have to worry too much about trying to be subtle. I've literally had a girl's gay friends call us a cab and tell us to go home and fuck.
There are a handful of guys on here that sarge the gay clubs relatively frequently...I'm sure they can offer a lot more insight.
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by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 10:46 am
[quote1242834127=Bull Run]
You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that. [/quote1242834127]
[quote1242834127=Bull Run]
That, and gay men are whores.
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It's been my experience that you can get hit on pretty aggressively at these places. I think this is something valuble for every guy here to go through. It really shows you what women have to go through everytime they go to a regular club or bar.
At least you'll get a lot of free drinks out of it. ;)
You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that. [/quote1242834127]
[quote1242834127=Bull Run]
That, and gay men are whores.
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It's been my experience that you can get hit on pretty aggressively at these places. I think this is something valuble for every guy here to go through. It really shows you what women have to go through everytime they go to a regular club or bar.
At least you'll get a lot of free drinks out of it. ;)
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by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 11:07 am
[quote1242835637=Fuzz][quote1242834127=Bull Run]You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that. [/quote1242834127]
[quote1242834127=Bull Run]That, and gay men are whores. [/quote1242834127]
It's been my experience that you can get hit on pretty aggressively at these places. I think this is something valuble for every guy here to go through. It really shows you what women have to go through everytime they go to a regular club or bar.
At least you'll get a lot of free drinks out of it. ;)[/quote1242835637]
Damn skippy my friend!!
[quote1242834127=Bull Run]That, and gay men are whores. [/quote1242834127]
It's been my experience that you can get hit on pretty aggressively at these places. I think this is something valuble for every guy here to go through. It really shows you what women have to go through everytime they go to a regular club or bar.
At least you'll get a lot of free drinks out of it. ;)[/quote1242835637]
Damn skippy my friend!!
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by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 2:12 pm
[quote1242846620=Fuzz]
You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that.
It's been my experience that you can get hit on pretty aggressively at these places. I think this is something valuble for every guy here to go through. It really shows you what women have to go through everytime they go to a regular club or bar.
At least you'll get a lot of free drinks out of it. ;)
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I was at ZaZa one night and had 3 guys hit on me............the first one I kind of laughed it off, the second one I was like okay this isn't exactly funny, and the third one I told him to get the fuck out of my face. But it did turn a light on for me as to what it must be like for girls to constantly get hit on. Definitely some valuable insight.
You will get hit on by gay guys though, so be prepared for that.
It's been my experience that you can get hit on pretty aggressively at these places. I think this is something valuble for every guy here to go through. It really shows you what women have to go through everytime they go to a regular club or bar.
At least you'll get a lot of free drinks out of it. ;)
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I was at ZaZa one night and had 3 guys hit on me............the first one I kind of laughed it off, the second one I was like okay this isn't exactly funny, and the third one I told him to get the fuck out of my face. But it did turn a light on for me as to what it must be like for girls to constantly get hit on. Definitely some valuable insight.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed May 20, 2009 5:06 pm
[quote1242856996=Bull Run]
More often than not when they figure out you're gay, they're with a friend that's a girl and they'll want to introduce you to her, which is all kinds of mass social proof because he's going to talk you up to her because he already likes you.
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I think you meant NOT gay.
But this is an extremely good point. There is no doubt if the gay dude likes you he will prop you up big time for the girl.
One thing I want to mention here if you are going for this tactic. REMEMBER the gay guys name. When you are introduced to him or whatever make a mental note to remember his name. You won't believe how much the gay dude will freak out when you remember his name. And bam he will pump you up even more.
More often than not when they figure out you're gay, they're with a friend that's a girl and they'll want to introduce you to her, which is all kinds of mass social proof because he's going to talk you up to her because he already likes you.
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I think you meant NOT gay.
But this is an extremely good point. There is no doubt if the gay dude likes you he will prop you up big time for the girl.
One thing I want to mention here if you are going for this tactic. REMEMBER the gay guys name. When you are introduced to him or whatever make a mental note to remember his name. You won't believe how much the gay dude will freak out when you remember his name. And bam he will pump you up even more.
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by Guest » Thu May 21, 2009 3:22 am
SweetPure, AfterLife and myself go there every Sunday. We have a lot of status up there, we have friends who are excited to see us there, we meet and dance with new girls every time we go. It is a good experience for anyone to get over certain problems they might be having. Yes, if you are hot, guys will hit on you. It is a learning experience. Dealing with the guys can help you deal with the girls. Also, the gay guys usually come with their straight girls so if your able to make friends with them they will bring you into their crowd but also help you on the dance floor or the smoking area to meet new people that they might know. Come with us on sundays and see what we can do, we usually end up working the whole club and a lot of people know who we are when we leave. We utilize dance game a lot at S4, it is the perfect place to learn new dance moves and practice ones you already know to perfect them.
Sets there sometimes can be tough because yes, they do go there not to get hit on. But it usually ends up they dont mind getting hit on because your at a gay club, they might think your gay till you turn it around on them and start making out on the dance floor.
Sets there sometimes can be tough because yes, they do go there not to get hit on. But it usually ends up they dont mind getting hit on because your at a gay club, they might think your gay till you turn it around on them and start making out on the dance floor.
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