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by Guest » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:06 am
[blockquote]What are you talking about? The mainstream media has barely covered the Fargo flooding, barely. But, Katrina was all over the fucking news for MONTHS on end. It spawned movies of the social injustice that occurred there. It put a black eye on the Bush Administration when the real blame lay at the local level (run by Dems by the way).[/blockquote]
and that's not focusing on the negative? I saw plenty of fargo flooding and it was nowhere near the disaster that katrina was.
I gotta say there's a part of me who agrees with you. I think there was plenty of fucked up shit that happened in new orleans, but I also don't think that's the part I should focus on. Ahhh everyones a taker it's war... wow. They honestly not taking much from me. A few bucks in my pay check is something I really don't care to part with because I know that I'm successful through my own means. If you really want to escape this then either vote against it or go live in a forest and don't pay your taxes as thoreau did.
[blockquote]You're right, but what you're pointing out is just an obvious flaw in human nature, it has nothing to do with our government or left or right or any one group of people in any one city.
The #1 biggest predictor of success in any system is a proactive mentality.
90% of the people on this planet are going to be sheep, no matter how many freedoms they have. Those people just need somebody to tell them what to do. Human nature. That's all they're comfortable with. Tell them they live in a great nation that gives them the freedom to achieve anything they want (and I firmly believe that they do), and they'll smile, but somewhere inside they're telling themselves "no thanks." All they want to do is go home, sit on their couch, watch TV, and watch the world go by in their non-confrontational shells.
The other 10% take responsibility for themselves (and for the other 90%, incidentally). They rise to the top like cream, in any society, under any system.
It's just the way of the jungle.
If you're part of the 10%, don't be pissed about the fact, be happy about it. It means you're a leader, which means you're in charge. You can easily put the other 90% to work for you and make way more money than you think.
I don't think that makes the 10% better than the 90 in any way. I just think that's the way social systems naturally set themselves up.[/blockquote]
A good indicator of who will be a leader is ambition, but it is not that simple. Most science now supports that the situation is one of the largest factors of who will be the leader. Take a man who has made bread all his life and put him in a group of lawyers and he will obviously be a shitty lawyer and will have almost no choice but to follow the other lawyers decisions. Take the lawyers and put them at the bread company and they will almost have no choice but to be followers. The other thing that is very important to be a leader is a specific set of traits. When you put both the trait approach and the situational approach together it is called the interactionist approach, and that is what most of psychology is currently accepting on how leaders come about these days. Ambition is a small part of the trait approach.
[blockquote]The individual.[/blockquote]
Agreed and I think that this is where this arguement should be fought. We should not complain and blame all the new orleans people for being stupid. They have just been trained to follow a stupid system. A system that only on the surface seems to benefit them, but does not reward them for hard work. I don't believe in handouts, but I do believe in rewarding people for having actually done something useful. I will agree that welfare is a piece of shit most the time. One of the biggest problems is that these people can't seem to see outside of the welfare box. However, if you went up to one and told him hes a failure and doesn't work at all then you would just be reinforcing his own view of himself as someone who needs government handouts to live. We need to be helping them to gain the self confidence to become producers instead of takers. Look up marva collins if you want to see what I mean. She threw out what the school system wanted her to teach in a ghetto chicago school and instead taught them self confidence and believing in themselves. The school system in new orleans has ghetto education for gods sake, where they teach the kids how to better understand ghetto language and activities. We are teaching these kids how to accept their life in the ghetto instead of find a way out of it. I think we should teach them self confidence and believing in themselves and it would greatly help their situation. They wouldn't believe they need welfare anymore. I really think that we of all people should know and respect the power that comes with gaining a little self confidence.
and that's not focusing on the negative? I saw plenty of fargo flooding and it was nowhere near the disaster that katrina was.
I gotta say there's a part of me who agrees with you. I think there was plenty of fucked up shit that happened in new orleans, but I also don't think that's the part I should focus on. Ahhh everyones a taker it's war... wow. They honestly not taking much from me. A few bucks in my pay check is something I really don't care to part with because I know that I'm successful through my own means. If you really want to escape this then either vote against it or go live in a forest and don't pay your taxes as thoreau did.
[blockquote]You're right, but what you're pointing out is just an obvious flaw in human nature, it has nothing to do with our government or left or right or any one group of people in any one city.
The #1 biggest predictor of success in any system is a proactive mentality.
90% of the people on this planet are going to be sheep, no matter how many freedoms they have. Those people just need somebody to tell them what to do. Human nature. That's all they're comfortable with. Tell them they live in a great nation that gives them the freedom to achieve anything they want (and I firmly believe that they do), and they'll smile, but somewhere inside they're telling themselves "no thanks." All they want to do is go home, sit on their couch, watch TV, and watch the world go by in their non-confrontational shells.
The other 10% take responsibility for themselves (and for the other 90%, incidentally). They rise to the top like cream, in any society, under any system.
It's just the way of the jungle.
If you're part of the 10%, don't be pissed about the fact, be happy about it. It means you're a leader, which means you're in charge. You can easily put the other 90% to work for you and make way more money than you think.
I don't think that makes the 10% better than the 90 in any way. I just think that's the way social systems naturally set themselves up.[/blockquote]
A good indicator of who will be a leader is ambition, but it is not that simple. Most science now supports that the situation is one of the largest factors of who will be the leader. Take a man who has made bread all his life and put him in a group of lawyers and he will obviously be a shitty lawyer and will have almost no choice but to follow the other lawyers decisions. Take the lawyers and put them at the bread company and they will almost have no choice but to be followers. The other thing that is very important to be a leader is a specific set of traits. When you put both the trait approach and the situational approach together it is called the interactionist approach, and that is what most of psychology is currently accepting on how leaders come about these days. Ambition is a small part of the trait approach.
[blockquote]The individual.[/blockquote]
Agreed and I think that this is where this arguement should be fought. We should not complain and blame all the new orleans people for being stupid. They have just been trained to follow a stupid system. A system that only on the surface seems to benefit them, but does not reward them for hard work. I don't believe in handouts, but I do believe in rewarding people for having actually done something useful. I will agree that welfare is a piece of shit most the time. One of the biggest problems is that these people can't seem to see outside of the welfare box. However, if you went up to one and told him hes a failure and doesn't work at all then you would just be reinforcing his own view of himself as someone who needs government handouts to live. We need to be helping them to gain the self confidence to become producers instead of takers. Look up marva collins if you want to see what I mean. She threw out what the school system wanted her to teach in a ghetto chicago school and instead taught them self confidence and believing in themselves. The school system in new orleans has ghetto education for gods sake, where they teach the kids how to better understand ghetto language and activities. We are teaching these kids how to accept their life in the ghetto instead of find a way out of it. I think we should teach them self confidence and believing in themselves and it would greatly help their situation. They wouldn't believe they need welfare anymore. I really think that we of all people should know and respect the power that comes with gaining a little self confidence.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:11 pm
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A good indicator of who will be a leader is ambition, but it is not that simple. Most science now supports that the situation is one of the largest factors of who will be the leader. Take a man who has made bread all his life and put him in a group of lawyers and he will obviously be a shitty lawyer and will have almost no choice but to follow the other lawyers decisions. Take the lawyers and put them at the bread company and they will almost have no choice but to be followers. The other thing that is very important to be a leader is a specific set of traits. When you put both the trait approach and the situational approach together it is called the interactionist approach, and that is what most of psychology is currently accepting on how leaders come about these days. Ambition is a small part of the trait approach.
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I didn't say it was the only thing, I said it was the most important thing. And I didn't say ambition, I said being proactive, which is almost the same thing but not quite. Being proactive is the trait of taking responsibility for situations as they arise, rather than assigning responsibility to fate, someone else, society, or any other external cause. It's the belief that you make yourself, and you're in control over your lot in life.
A good indicator of who will be a leader is ambition, but it is not that simple. Most science now supports that the situation is one of the largest factors of who will be the leader. Take a man who has made bread all his life and put him in a group of lawyers and he will obviously be a shitty lawyer and will have almost no choice but to follow the other lawyers decisions. Take the lawyers and put them at the bread company and they will almost have no choice but to be followers. The other thing that is very important to be a leader is a specific set of traits. When you put both the trait approach and the situational approach together it is called the interactionist approach, and that is what most of psychology is currently accepting on how leaders come about these days. Ambition is a small part of the trait approach.
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I didn't say it was the only thing, I said it was the most important thing. And I didn't say ambition, I said being proactive, which is almost the same thing but not quite. Being proactive is the trait of taking responsibility for situations as they arise, rather than assigning responsibility to fate, someone else, society, or any other external cause. It's the belief that you make yourself, and you're in control over your lot in life.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:15 pm
[quote1239127988=Bull Run]
I dunno Grimm.
I don't necessarily buy into the concept that most people are waiting to be told what to do by nature. I think they become that because society has created a structure that alters the way people think.
I pose this question to you guys:
What is the largest minority in the world?
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I'm sure they'd agree with you, because people like that don't want to take any responsibility for their lot and would love to blame "society."
It's the same reason that most people are fat and lazy. It's easier to be that way. Working out is hard. Dieting sucks. Taking responsibility for yourself is more effort and pain than blaming someone else.
But as we all know, more work usually means more rewards.
I dunno Grimm.
I don't necessarily buy into the concept that most people are waiting to be told what to do by nature. I think they become that because society has created a structure that alters the way people think.
I pose this question to you guys:
What is the largest minority in the world?
[/quote1239127988]
I'm sure they'd agree with you, because people like that don't want to take any responsibility for their lot and would love to blame "society."
It's the same reason that most people are fat and lazy. It's easier to be that way. Working out is hard. Dieting sucks. Taking responsibility for yourself is more effort and pain than blaming someone else.
But as we all know, more work usually means more rewards.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:19 pm
[quote1239128158=Finesse]
So what happens when the "leaders" lose control and are told what to do by the "sheep"? (Which is what is happening)
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Haha right on! :)
But seriously, the left has natural leaders too. Nobody can say Obama isn't a natural leader. Doesn't mean he's a good or a bad one, it just means he's one to lead people rather than follow the herd. There have always been people who prey on the lazy. You want to win an election in Europe? Promise people free handouts. That will buy you some votes. Luckily, we haven't sunk to that level yet. It does worry me though.
People like that aren't bad leaders or sheep, they're like the witch in the story hanzel and gretel, they feed the kids candy until they're fat and then they bake them in the oven and eat them up.
So what happens when the "leaders" lose control and are told what to do by the "sheep"? (Which is what is happening)
[/quote1239128158]
Haha right on! :)
But seriously, the left has natural leaders too. Nobody can say Obama isn't a natural leader. Doesn't mean he's a good or a bad one, it just means he's one to lead people rather than follow the herd. There have always been people who prey on the lazy. You want to win an election in Europe? Promise people free handouts. That will buy you some votes. Luckily, we haven't sunk to that level yet. It does worry me though.
People like that aren't bad leaders or sheep, they're like the witch in the story hanzel and gretel, they feed the kids candy until they're fat and then they bake them in the oven and eat them up.
- Guest
by Guest » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:10 pm
[quote1239130799=zine]I gotta say there's a part of me who agrees with you. I think there was plenty of fucked up shit that happened in new orleans, but I also don't think that's the part I should focus on. Ahhh everyones a taker it's war... wow. They honestly not taking much from me. A few bucks in my pay check is something I really don't care to part with because I know that I'm successful through my own means. If you really want to escape this then either vote against it or go live in a forest and don't pay your taxes as thoreau did.[/quote1239130799]
They take a whole lot more than you know. An example, corporate taxes are some of the highest in the entire world in the U.S. Who do you think pays those taxes? Not the company, but the consumer, the individual. If our society is built on our backs, then guess what? We pay for everything. And, our payments are disproportionate based on our relative success.
[quote1239130799=zine]Agreed and I think that this is where this arguement should be fought. We should not complain and blame all the new orleans people for being stupid. They have just been trained to follow a stupid system. A system that only on the surface seems to benefit them, but does not reward them for hard work. I don't believe in handouts, but I do believe in rewarding people for having actually done something useful. I will agree that welfare is a piece of shit most the time. One of the biggest problems is that these people can't seem to see outside of the welfare box. However, if you went up to one and told him hes a failure and doesn't work at all then you would just be reinforcing his own view of himself as someone who needs government handouts to live. We need to be helping them to gain the self confidence to become producers instead of takers. Look up marva collins if you want to see what I mean. She threw out what the school system wanted her to teach in a ghetto chicago school and instead taught them self confidence and believing in themselves. The school system in new orleans has ghetto education for gods sake, where they teach the kids how to better understand ghetto language and activities. We are teaching these kids how to accept their life in the ghetto instead of find a way out of it. I think we should teach them self confidence and believing in themselves and it would greatly help their situation. They wouldn't believe they need welfare anymore. I really think that we of all people should know and respect the power that comes with gaining a little self confidence.[/quote1239130799]
I totally agree with you, and I'm not saying EVERYONE in New Orleans is a cockroach. I know better than that, and so do you.
You want to see the devastation that occurs in a culture when the government takes over providing them for their livelihood? Just look at America's inner-city black culture. They got on the government dole over 40 years ago in the name of fairness and 'white guilt.' Now, this once proud culture has the highest illegitimacy rates, drug addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, and illiteracy rates in the country.
You see, when the government, under the guise of compassion, starts giving people hand outs it tears out something we refer to as personal responsibility. Don't worry the Feds say, no matter what you do we'll make sure to take care of you...even if what you do means you commit a crime because you'll get to go to jail and are served three squares a day, provided with access to a free education, free cable, free fitness centers, etc.
40 years of compassion has created a new class of slaves. Dependent on the government hand out for their livelihood.
Don't blame the education. Blame the monopolized government schools that have zero accountability and virtually zero competition to provide a good product. In a government run program, there is no incentive to succeed...except more taxpayers money, you know the same few bucks that they confiscate out of your check every payday.
They take a whole lot more than you know. An example, corporate taxes are some of the highest in the entire world in the U.S. Who do you think pays those taxes? Not the company, but the consumer, the individual. If our society is built on our backs, then guess what? We pay for everything. And, our payments are disproportionate based on our relative success.
[quote1239130799=zine]Agreed and I think that this is where this arguement should be fought. We should not complain and blame all the new orleans people for being stupid. They have just been trained to follow a stupid system. A system that only on the surface seems to benefit them, but does not reward them for hard work. I don't believe in handouts, but I do believe in rewarding people for having actually done something useful. I will agree that welfare is a piece of shit most the time. One of the biggest problems is that these people can't seem to see outside of the welfare box. However, if you went up to one and told him hes a failure and doesn't work at all then you would just be reinforcing his own view of himself as someone who needs government handouts to live. We need to be helping them to gain the self confidence to become producers instead of takers. Look up marva collins if you want to see what I mean. She threw out what the school system wanted her to teach in a ghetto chicago school and instead taught them self confidence and believing in themselves. The school system in new orleans has ghetto education for gods sake, where they teach the kids how to better understand ghetto language and activities. We are teaching these kids how to accept their life in the ghetto instead of find a way out of it. I think we should teach them self confidence and believing in themselves and it would greatly help their situation. They wouldn't believe they need welfare anymore. I really think that we of all people should know and respect the power that comes with gaining a little self confidence.[/quote1239130799]
I totally agree with you, and I'm not saying EVERYONE in New Orleans is a cockroach. I know better than that, and so do you.
You want to see the devastation that occurs in a culture when the government takes over providing them for their livelihood? Just look at America's inner-city black culture. They got on the government dole over 40 years ago in the name of fairness and 'white guilt.' Now, this once proud culture has the highest illegitimacy rates, drug addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, and illiteracy rates in the country.
You see, when the government, under the guise of compassion, starts giving people hand outs it tears out something we refer to as personal responsibility. Don't worry the Feds say, no matter what you do we'll make sure to take care of you...even if what you do means you commit a crime because you'll get to go to jail and are served three squares a day, provided with access to a free education, free cable, free fitness centers, etc.
40 years of compassion has created a new class of slaves. Dependent on the government hand out for their livelihood.
Don't blame the education. Blame the monopolized government schools that have zero accountability and virtually zero competition to provide a good product. In a government run program, there is no incentive to succeed...except more taxpayers money, you know the same few bucks that they confiscate out of your check every payday.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:15 pm
[blockquote]40 years of compassion has created a new class of slaves. Dependent on the government hand out for their livelihood.[/blockquote]
haha I never thought of it like that. It is pretty true. In psychology we read about these case studies. They sent all the best psychologists at that time (1980s) into an inner city and gave all the people there the best counselors they could possibly get. The people ended up off worse than before. Why? Instead of giving them real confidence the psychologists tried to heal their pathologies. It ended up that not only did these people still take the handouts they felt entitled to them. The people felt like the deserved the best, but they weren't willing to work for it because the psychologists would always get them whatever they wanted. Psychology has improved since then, but I don't think the public mindset has. I think the general public feels that if we give them whatever they want they will get better. Kind of like people who give to bums. While it seems like a good deed it only rewards their current behavior. I do think this opinion could change if some of the more prominent would stand up, but sadly the people that get the handouts would stand up and ridicule them for it and theyd lose their place in office. It's sad how politicians are forced to make decisions not to better society, but instead just to please their voters.
haha I never thought of it like that. It is pretty true. In psychology we read about these case studies. They sent all the best psychologists at that time (1980s) into an inner city and gave all the people there the best counselors they could possibly get. The people ended up off worse than before. Why? Instead of giving them real confidence the psychologists tried to heal their pathologies. It ended up that not only did these people still take the handouts they felt entitled to them. The people felt like the deserved the best, but they weren't willing to work for it because the psychologists would always get them whatever they wanted. Psychology has improved since then, but I don't think the public mindset has. I think the general public feels that if we give them whatever they want they will get better. Kind of like people who give to bums. While it seems like a good deed it only rewards their current behavior. I do think this opinion could change if some of the more prominent would stand up, but sadly the people that get the handouts would stand up and ridicule them for it and theyd lose their place in office. It's sad how politicians are forced to make decisions not to better society, but instead just to please their voters.
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