Kraven,
The ideas put forth are to promote lair inclusion OUTSIDE the constraints of an internet forum.
We want to discourage this lair from just being a random group of internet dudes.
That said, if you truly are contributing to the local lair (be it in-field or hell even just socially) then you will be known by those who decide who stays and who goes and you have nothing to worry about.
On the other hand, if no one has seen memberX for a year...or no one can account for ever meeting memberX....or, more generally, no one can account for memberX as a real person...then memberX does not belong here.
Dallas PUA
The Pickup Artist Playground
A few changes, please read, please comment
by Guest » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:02 am
[quote1236781359=Smirks]
[quote1236758476=Just/Us]
Smirks, I think the reason that playercool said about getting rid of the ft worth meet up is that no one goes to em except maybe 3 people. I think we can still keep it but do it less often, maybe every other month like Smirks stated.
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This happened once, and I made it known well before that I would not be in attendance. Sorry, but I advertise, promote (in and out of the community) and basically annoy enough people to have a similar sized attendance for these FT Worth meetings. Again, you are letting your pre-existing negative feelings about this area affect what you post on this board. You had negative feelings toward this area before you moved in to my old room. Admit it, deal with it...as I will call you out on it every single time. There is just as much possibility for success as there is over in the Dallas area...you just have to accept it before you attempt.
Again, I'll reiterate...All Dallas people have a problem going to Ft Worth for a single even for one of two reasons
A) It's "too far" to drive
B) If I hook anything, I live so far away that I cant bounce and fuck
Well guess what?!?! That's what I deal with for 90% of the interactions I have with this community. Know what I do? I deal. The drive is far? Swap car-pooling duties. Cant fuck at your place? Most women are way more comfortable fucking at their place, you actully get better results (from my own experience) fucking them in their bed the 1st time. Be a soldier and try going to their place once in a while. Why should you get to be lazy 92043902834283048239% of the time and FT Worth kids always have to make the sacrifice? Such a stupid fucking argument. Seriously. The distance you drive from Dallas to Fort Worth is the same distance I drive from Fort Worth to Dallas. Welcome to common sense. Population: ME. I'm not just directing this at Just/Us...as there are many a veteran member who cry this out often. Don't make me turn this car around and start a Ft. Worth lair~!!
I'm crazy. I'll do it. And win. <3
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I agree with Smirks. You guys don't like the Ft Worth meets because it's a little inconvenient to drive so far. I AGREE! But, it's nice to escape from the horny, swamp rats at Locks; the 6s and 7s with the attitude of 9s and 10s at BF; and the sea of bleach blonde, stuck up homogeneity in Uptown every now and again.
As for a 18+ meet up. Well, many of you know my thoughts on the youngsters and I'll make them public now. Here it is: I think you guys need your own section in the forum. I just don't think that the Game of an 18 year old guy is even close to that of a 30 year old, primarily because our targets are SO different and because the 30 year old is generally more 'worldly.'
As an 18 year old, I'm not sure how much a 30 year old will be able to mentor you. I think we just speak a different language. And, there simply are things that an 18 year will just not be able to get. It's kind of like this, ask a 4 year old to pick up a heavy suitcase...they'll try but they just can't pick it up. Same type of thing. Life experience teaches you more than you'll ever want to admit, especially when your 18 and think you know everything.
So, instead of trying to incorporate the 18+ crowd into the older crowd, I think we create another section for the 18+ year olds were they can discuss tactics and techniques that work for them and their age group.
As for access to the Lounge, I think we create a moderator that is in the 18+ crowd (or at least closer to their age). I would actually nominate Just/Us for this role because he can very easily bridge the gap between the older guys (because he hangs with us a lot) and the younger guys because he still understands their plight a lot better than the older guys do. He would, in essence, be a liaison between the two age groups...a translator if you will. From there, events can be held that are open to everyone on the boards. I think the same rules for eviction and acceptance to the 18+ forum and Lounge apply. If you show up, you have access to both.
It's not segregation so much as a further form of specializing, and it doesn't force the older crowd to read the questions and FRs and thoughts of the younger crowd, and vice versa.
[quote1236758476=Just/Us]
Smirks, I think the reason that playercool said about getting rid of the ft worth meet up is that no one goes to em except maybe 3 people. I think we can still keep it but do it less often, maybe every other month like Smirks stated.
[/quote1236758476]
This happened once, and I made it known well before that I would not be in attendance. Sorry, but I advertise, promote (in and out of the community) and basically annoy enough people to have a similar sized attendance for these FT Worth meetings. Again, you are letting your pre-existing negative feelings about this area affect what you post on this board. You had negative feelings toward this area before you moved in to my old room. Admit it, deal with it...as I will call you out on it every single time. There is just as much possibility for success as there is over in the Dallas area...you just have to accept it before you attempt.
Again, I'll reiterate...All Dallas people have a problem going to Ft Worth for a single even for one of two reasons
A) It's "too far" to drive
B) If I hook anything, I live so far away that I cant bounce and fuck
Well guess what?!?! That's what I deal with for 90% of the interactions I have with this community. Know what I do? I deal. The drive is far? Swap car-pooling duties. Cant fuck at your place? Most women are way more comfortable fucking at their place, you actully get better results (from my own experience) fucking them in their bed the 1st time. Be a soldier and try going to their place once in a while. Why should you get to be lazy 92043902834283048239% of the time and FT Worth kids always have to make the sacrifice? Such a stupid fucking argument. Seriously. The distance you drive from Dallas to Fort Worth is the same distance I drive from Fort Worth to Dallas. Welcome to common sense. Population: ME. I'm not just directing this at Just/Us...as there are many a veteran member who cry this out often. Don't make me turn this car around and start a Ft. Worth lair~!!
I'm crazy. I'll do it. And win. <3
[/quote1236781359]
I agree with Smirks. You guys don't like the Ft Worth meets because it's a little inconvenient to drive so far. I AGREE! But, it's nice to escape from the horny, swamp rats at Locks; the 6s and 7s with the attitude of 9s and 10s at BF; and the sea of bleach blonde, stuck up homogeneity in Uptown every now and again.
As for a 18+ meet up. Well, many of you know my thoughts on the youngsters and I'll make them public now. Here it is: I think you guys need your own section in the forum. I just don't think that the Game of an 18 year old guy is even close to that of a 30 year old, primarily because our targets are SO different and because the 30 year old is generally more 'worldly.'
As an 18 year old, I'm not sure how much a 30 year old will be able to mentor you. I think we just speak a different language. And, there simply are things that an 18 year will just not be able to get. It's kind of like this, ask a 4 year old to pick up a heavy suitcase...they'll try but they just can't pick it up. Same type of thing. Life experience teaches you more than you'll ever want to admit, especially when your 18 and think you know everything.
So, instead of trying to incorporate the 18+ crowd into the older crowd, I think we create another section for the 18+ year olds were they can discuss tactics and techniques that work for them and their age group.
As for access to the Lounge, I think we create a moderator that is in the 18+ crowd (or at least closer to their age). I would actually nominate Just/Us for this role because he can very easily bridge the gap between the older guys (because he hangs with us a lot) and the younger guys because he still understands their plight a lot better than the older guys do. He would, in essence, be a liaison between the two age groups...a translator if you will. From there, events can be held that are open to everyone on the boards. I think the same rules for eviction and acceptance to the 18+ forum and Lounge apply. If you show up, you have access to both.
It's not segregation so much as a further form of specializing, and it doesn't force the older crowd to read the questions and FRs and thoughts of the younger crowd, and vice versa.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:01 am
As far as 18+ goes, there are really two issues. One is the matter of getting into bars and being able to realistically hang out and drink. The other is the question of emotional or psychological maturity. Acuity for example I would say has 21+ psychological maturity, but not chronological maturity. Meanwhile Westfall has 21+ chronological maturity but much, much lower psychological maturity.
I think an 18+ section has usefulness in terms of being able to meet and do different activities besides going to bars. And I'm open to the idea of scheduling regular events that are more accessible to the 18+ folk.
I'm reluctant to use age as a discriminator for psychological maturity or experience.
The section could perhaps be called Day Game Discussion and Events
I think an 18+ section has usefulness in terms of being able to meet and do different activities besides going to bars. And I'm open to the idea of scheduling regular events that are more accessible to the 18+ folk.
I'm reluctant to use age as a discriminator for psychological maturity or experience.
The section could perhaps be called Day Game Discussion and Events
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:14 am
[quote1236787949=Vector]I'm reluctant to use age as a discriminator for psychological maturity or experience.[/quote1236787949]
Obviously, I was speaking in generalities.
I would still contend that even though WF isn't psychologically mature, he still understands things that younger guys just don't get...the immaturity arises when he refuses to act according to what he knows is appropriate.
Obviously, I was speaking in generalities.
I would still contend that even though WF isn't psychologically mature, he still understands things that younger guys just don't get...the immaturity arises when he refuses to act according to what he knows is appropriate.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:48 pm
Well Well Well...
I must say at first I was actually against all of these changes. I liked the boards the way they were and thought they were getting along just fine.
However after reading everyone's thoughts I must say I think we are moving in the right direction. Being a local lair we should all know each other. It only makes sense. If you want anonymity then just head over to attraction forums and you can talk all you want with thousands of people you will never meet.
This lair is about the people who are in the DFW area. It is so much nicer reading someone's post and saying ahh yess SOandSO just said this. I know him in person so this post makes sense.
I also think that making it known in the section anyone can read that we have this other exclusive section will attract others to come out and meet us. We should have a section open to the public that has some of the greatest posts of the dallaslair. This way they can read those(they should be locked) and get a good idea of the characters on the other side of the fence. Whatever we do we need to make people well aware that their is this whole other section of the board that they are missing out on.
As far as the FT Worth meet up I only dislike it because no one really shows up. I think it is Smirks, Muk, PP, and ??? Who? That is the only reason I say lower the rate at which we meet up. It just seems like the accommodation for a few is not worth it. But if you are adamant about it Smirks I will try and support you 100% of the time on the FT Worth meet. I do like to get out of town and head over to FW. I like that place even though it is like a billion miles away.
I must say at first I was actually against all of these changes. I liked the boards the way they were and thought they were getting along just fine.
However after reading everyone's thoughts I must say I think we are moving in the right direction. Being a local lair we should all know each other. It only makes sense. If you want anonymity then just head over to attraction forums and you can talk all you want with thousands of people you will never meet.
This lair is about the people who are in the DFW area. It is so much nicer reading someone's post and saying ahh yess SOandSO just said this. I know him in person so this post makes sense.
I also think that making it known in the section anyone can read that we have this other exclusive section will attract others to come out and meet us. We should have a section open to the public that has some of the greatest posts of the dallaslair. This way they can read those(they should be locked) and get a good idea of the characters on the other side of the fence. Whatever we do we need to make people well aware that their is this whole other section of the board that they are missing out on.
As far as the FT Worth meet up I only dislike it because no one really shows up. I think it is Smirks, Muk, PP, and ??? Who? That is the only reason I say lower the rate at which we meet up. It just seems like the accommodation for a few is not worth it. But if you are adamant about it Smirks I will try and support you 100% of the time on the FT Worth meet. I do like to get out of town and head over to FW. I like that place even though it is like a billion miles away.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:00 pm
[quote1236804734=Smirks]
...you are letting your pre-existing negative feelings about this area affect what you post on this board. You had negative feelings toward this area before you moved in to my old room. Admit it, deal with it...as I will call you out on it every single time. There is just as much possibility for success as there is over in the Dallas area...you just have to accept it before you attempt.
...Why should you get to be lazy 92043902834283048239% of the time and FT Worth kids always have to make the sacrifice? Such a stupid fucking argument. Seriously. The distance you drive from Dallas to Fort Worth is the same distance I drive from Fort Worth to Dallas...
[/quote1236804734]
Smirks, yes I will agree with you on the part that I may be a bit negative when it comes to Ft. Worth. But I also said we should make it every other month (which you stated first), not completely get rid of it. The reason I said every other month is, as playercool said, not many people make it out to the ft. worth meetups. Bullrun made a good point about switching things up and not always doing the same old addison/uptown thing, and I think Ft. Worth would be a good variation away from that.
Again, I don't think we should get rid of the Ft. Work meetup, it's something different than the usual stomping grounds. Also, I think we should hit other places than just addison in the dallas meetup weeks. We always do sherlocks or blackfinn. Lets switch things up.
...you are letting your pre-existing negative feelings about this area affect what you post on this board. You had negative feelings toward this area before you moved in to my old room. Admit it, deal with it...as I will call you out on it every single time. There is just as much possibility for success as there is over in the Dallas area...you just have to accept it before you attempt.
...Why should you get to be lazy 92043902834283048239% of the time and FT Worth kids always have to make the sacrifice? Such a stupid fucking argument. Seriously. The distance you drive from Dallas to Fort Worth is the same distance I drive from Fort Worth to Dallas...
[/quote1236804734]
Smirks, yes I will agree with you on the part that I may be a bit negative when it comes to Ft. Worth. But I also said we should make it every other month (which you stated first), not completely get rid of it. The reason I said every other month is, as playercool said, not many people make it out to the ft. worth meetups. Bullrun made a good point about switching things up and not always doing the same old addison/uptown thing, and I think Ft. Worth would be a good variation away from that.
Again, I don't think we should get rid of the Ft. Work meetup, it's something different than the usual stomping grounds. Also, I think we should hit other places than just addison in the dallas meetup weeks. We always do sherlocks or blackfinn. Lets switch things up.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:21 pm
haha, im usually at the ft worth meetups...i havent been lately just because i was sick one time and something else, but usually im there...
having said that, i have the "luxury" of living in the middle, so its equidistant to dallas/ft worth...
actually im a little closer to ft worth...
having said that, i have the "luxury" of living in the middle, so its equidistant to dallas/ft worth...
actually im a little closer to ft worth...
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