[QUOTE=Carnal;40408]Great reply. Are your beliefs entirely from experience or are they from what you have read and studied? This sounds like an automated textbook reply (and I mean that as a compliment).[/QUOTE]
We're all influenced by the things we read but generally speaking my beliefs come greatly from experience.
As humans, we're so smart that we tend to think that we're calling all of the shots on a conscious level when, in fact, we're really prisoners to our biological yearnings. Once one sees humans for what we are at our most basic level, animals, then one begins to understand why people make the choices they make. And act the way they act.
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by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:49 pm
[QUOTE=Bull Run;40409]We're all influenced by the things we read but generally speaking my beliefs come greatly from experience.
As humans, we're so smart that we tend to think that we're calling all of the shots on a conscious level when, in fact, we're really prisoners to our biological yearnings. Once one sees humans for what we are at our most basic level, animals, then one begins to understand why people make the choices they make. And act the way they act.[/QUOTE]
BR. I sure would like to see one of your examples of a good shit test a female might present to a male once they are in a relationship. Im sure Ive been shit tested at various points in the timeline of a relationship but prolly would title it as something different like say bumps in the road. Anytime there has ever been a bump in my relationships there was usually a legitimate reason. Like say I was not catering to her emotional needs. I dropped the ball, forgot an important event, was being boring yada yada. I just honestly cannot recall an instance where a female had to shit test me to make sure I was still the man I promised to be. If you are constantly showing her that you can provide for her then you will not have any problems.
I workout and stay active, I am tall and attractive, I am an intellectual dreamer/thinker, I dont smoke or drink excessively, I have good taste in fashion and dress well, I eat out at nice restaurants often, I am also a good cook and prepare very formal dinners when I am chef, I purchase small inexpensive and thoughtful gifts all the time for myself and for my woman, I have alot of amazing sex, I make good money and have a recession proof career, I own a house, I come from a great family, I have alot of creative interests, I have great friends male and female, I have many short term goals and long term goals.
I imagine if a guy was a bump on a log he prolly WOULD get shit tested often in order to make sure he is congruent to what he has convinced her.
But If a woman perceieves you as high value, and you are constantly presently yourself congruently and she sees that you are what you say you are, and you also cater to her, what will she test you for? Never give her a reason to check you... always be on top of your game. Im much more suave casanova sweet romantic in my relationships because this is how I like to be and it works for me.
I am very in-tune with both my masculine as well as my feminine side. We all, male or female, need to be aware of both sides and understand them fully. There are times when women are in a more masculine frame. There are times when a man is in a more femanine frame.
Ive noticed most Alpha men do not understand/acknowledge/utilize their femanine side. Although a very Alpha man does generate alot of attraction, as he IS the Yang to the Ying, he will also have more problems with shit tests if he is not in touch with his femanine side. The key is knowing when to be the ying or the yang (you can be both) and molding yourself to suit the situation in order to always keep the passion flowing.
I recommend reading The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida. It opened my eyes to alot of things I didnt see before.
As humans, we're so smart that we tend to think that we're calling all of the shots on a conscious level when, in fact, we're really prisoners to our biological yearnings. Once one sees humans for what we are at our most basic level, animals, then one begins to understand why people make the choices they make. And act the way they act.[/QUOTE]
BR. I sure would like to see one of your examples of a good shit test a female might present to a male once they are in a relationship. Im sure Ive been shit tested at various points in the timeline of a relationship but prolly would title it as something different like say bumps in the road. Anytime there has ever been a bump in my relationships there was usually a legitimate reason. Like say I was not catering to her emotional needs. I dropped the ball, forgot an important event, was being boring yada yada. I just honestly cannot recall an instance where a female had to shit test me to make sure I was still the man I promised to be. If you are constantly showing her that you can provide for her then you will not have any problems.
I workout and stay active, I am tall and attractive, I am an intellectual dreamer/thinker, I dont smoke or drink excessively, I have good taste in fashion and dress well, I eat out at nice restaurants often, I am also a good cook and prepare very formal dinners when I am chef, I purchase small inexpensive and thoughtful gifts all the time for myself and for my woman, I have alot of amazing sex, I make good money and have a recession proof career, I own a house, I come from a great family, I have alot of creative interests, I have great friends male and female, I have many short term goals and long term goals.
I imagine if a guy was a bump on a log he prolly WOULD get shit tested often in order to make sure he is congruent to what he has convinced her.
But If a woman perceieves you as high value, and you are constantly presently yourself congruently and she sees that you are what you say you are, and you also cater to her, what will she test you for? Never give her a reason to check you... always be on top of your game. Im much more suave casanova sweet romantic in my relationships because this is how I like to be and it works for me.
I am very in-tune with both my masculine as well as my feminine side. We all, male or female, need to be aware of both sides and understand them fully. There are times when women are in a more masculine frame. There are times when a man is in a more femanine frame.
Ive noticed most Alpha men do not understand/acknowledge/utilize their femanine side. Although a very Alpha man does generate alot of attraction, as he IS the Yang to the Ying, he will also have more problems with shit tests if he is not in touch with his femanine side. The key is knowing when to be the ying or the yang (you can be both) and molding yourself to suit the situation in order to always keep the passion flowing.
I recommend reading The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida. It opened my eyes to alot of things I didnt see before.
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by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:28 pm
[QUOTE=Carnal;40408]Great reply. Are your beliefs entirely from experience or are they from what you have read and studied? This sounds like an automated textbook reply (and I mean that as a compliment).[/QUOTE]
No way is this meant as a compliment. It's an insult - you're trying to accuse Bull Run of not having the experience to comment - but you're trying to avoid confrontation. Women and gays do this. I mean that as a compliment (not really.)
That said, I've been in LTR's and have been shit tested. Damn, my mom still shit tests my dad for christ's sake. Women do this A. to knock you down a peg and B. (especially B) because they become more attracted to you when you pass a shit test. It's like a monkey hitting a button for more food pellets.
Here's a girl from Jersey Shore admitting it and spelling it out. At 40 seconds to like a minute. That should end the doubt.
[url]http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/jenni-jwoww-farley-part-2-2-16-11/1295370[/url]
That said, I've taken girls out, and hooked up with them, without really being shit tested at all. That happens too. So it really depends on the female as an individual and you can't really group everyone together in this case.
Now, this thread is not about shit testing during a relationship. No thread hijacks, dammit. Bad manners.
Start a new thread if you want to talk about that.
No way is this meant as a compliment. It's an insult - you're trying to accuse Bull Run of not having the experience to comment - but you're trying to avoid confrontation. Women and gays do this. I mean that as a compliment (not really.)
That said, I've been in LTR's and have been shit tested. Damn, my mom still shit tests my dad for christ's sake. Women do this A. to knock you down a peg and B. (especially B) because they become more attracted to you when you pass a shit test. It's like a monkey hitting a button for more food pellets.
Here's a girl from Jersey Shore admitting it and spelling it out. At 40 seconds to like a minute. That should end the doubt.
[url]http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/jenni-jwoww-farley-part-2-2-16-11/1295370[/url]
That said, I've taken girls out, and hooked up with them, without really being shit tested at all. That happens too. So it really depends on the female as an individual and you can't really group everyone together in this case.
Now, this thread is not about shit testing during a relationship. No thread hijacks, dammit. Bad manners.
Start a new thread if you want to talk about that.
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by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:42 pm
I meant it as a compliment.
Grimm- This is not the first time you have attacked me in favor of BR. I'm gay but your riding BR's cyber dick LOL.
Dude you sound like you have some anger/control issues for real.-
Sorry for thread jacking... i was replying to BR.
Grimm- This is not the first time you have attacked me in favor of BR. I'm gay but your riding BR's cyber dick LOL.
Dude you sound like you have some anger/control issues for real.-
Sorry for thread jacking... i was replying to BR.
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by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:52 pm
[QUOTE=Carnal;40416]I meant it as a compliment.
Grimm- This is not the first time you have attacked me in favor of BR. I'm gay but your riding BR's cyber dick LOL.
Dude you sound like you have some anger/control issues for real.-
Sorry for thread jacking... i was replying to BR.[/QUOTE]
You're still trying to tell us this was a compliment? I don't think anyone's buying that.
If you don't want me to be angry with you, then you need to behave better and quit with the side-handed, snarky jabs at the more established members of the boards. Just be cool to other people and we'll give you a shot.
Grimm- This is not the first time you have attacked me in favor of BR. I'm gay but your riding BR's cyber dick LOL.
Dude you sound like you have some anger/control issues for real.-
Sorry for thread jacking... i was replying to BR.[/QUOTE]
You're still trying to tell us this was a compliment? I don't think anyone's buying that.
If you don't want me to be angry with you, then you need to behave better and quit with the side-handed, snarky jabs at the more established members of the boards. Just be cool to other people and we'll give you a shot.
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by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:23 pm
You totally read a book on how to amog didnt you?! If we were friends on this board and you were sticking up for in this manner I was ask you to stop embrassing me.
Its too bad you can't learn "Class" from a book... It would really help you. Have a nice day.
Its too bad you can't learn "Class" from a book... It would really help you. Have a nice day.
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by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:32 pm
[QUOTE=Carnal;40418]Why didnt BR complain about this then huh? What are you? His toy soldier. I really dont care if you lose your cool Grimm and dont try to dick me down on the internet... its really lame.[/QUOTE]
Grimm and Carnal:
Yes, I absolutely did see how that line could be offensive but I decided to take the high road here. I frankly didn't care if it was a shot or not. Had this been said a few months back the daggers would have come out.
@ Grimm
Great post and thanks for the support. Your video is spot on and I like your explaination. I tend to think shit tests whilest in a relationship is a biological response so that the woman feels better about her choice in a man BUT the attraction thing definitely works as well. I mean, what turns on the average woman more than a strong man?
And, it goes without saying that some women simply do not shit test at all. The vast majority do and they never, ever stop.
@ Carnal
Your posts can come off as condescending. I'm sure the same can be said for a lot of guys on here. No biggie. Move on.
And, Grimm is not my toy soldier. He's my friend and he's sticking up for me the way a friend should.
As for your query, I think you're still seeing things from the wrong perspective. You used the words 'catering to a woman's needs.' I read that and think to myself what man would 'cater' to a woman's needs? And, what are the 'needs' that we're talking about here?
Having a recession proof job caters to a woman's needs?
Owning your home caters to a woman's needs?
Not drinking or smoking caters to a woman's needs?
Really?
None of that shit really matters. Be fun, be passionate, be strong, and lead the relationship. Do those and you're fine. I don't really see a whole lot of catering there. I just see a man doing what a man does and, as a result, providing what a woman wants and needs. It starts with us, it starts with the man. Women will follow if we lead them. But, as with any follower they need to test the will of their leader from time to time. And, that's what women do they test our will so they know that they're following the right guy.
Regarding this idea that an Alpha male should be in touch with his feminine side completely and utterly defeats the purpose of being Alpha. Men are men. We do masculine things. Do we have emotions? Yes. But the thing that ultimately defines an Alpha male is that we make decisions from a rational place. We do not allow our emotions to cloud our goals or our decisions. That's what women do.
So, when I have a fight with a woman over something that is illogical or irrational. Let's say she thought I was flirting with a girl at a party, which I probably was without knowing it OR the girl was attracted to me and my girlfriend could tell, and my girlfriend gets pissed off at me. I can UNDERSTAND where she's coming from, jealousy, fear of loss, insecurity, etc. I can understand those emotions. But, I cannot respond to her based on those emotional undercurrents. Instead, this is a situation when I have to stand strong and simply say: "I wasn't flirting. I'm loyal to you. This is your issue and you need to work it out."
How will she respond? Well, in that case, my girl responded like a bee's nest after you knock it to the ground. She was supremely pissed and I just handled it with composure and let her calm down. The next day, she apologized to me for her poor actions through very hot, sex in which she willingly and gladly submitted to my every demand. After that, she told me how silly she acted and that she just got emotional and how happy she was that I stood my ground because she was wrong. A feminist would say by treating her emotional outburst as petty and stupid was me ignoring her emotions and not trying to UNDERSTAND her. Well, I did understand her (which I told her after she apologized) but I was not going to react in an emotional manner. Doing so would have meant that I was allowing myself into a more feminine frame.
It is not a man's job to try to nurture his woman and understand her feelings and treat her accordingly. Instead, it's his job to get her back on track and help her understand that he's a rock, he's the foundation, and her silly little emotions are not going to weather him.
When a man is in touch with his feminine side it simply means he's fucking his girl. That's the closest it should get.
You're right about one thing. The man is the Ying to a woman's Yang. The Ying-Yang is represented in black and white. Society tries to tell us that the Ying-Yang is defined in shades of gray, but our biology still dictates that the Ying-Yang is black and white. In my eyes, the role of a male and that of a female are clearly defined. They are compliments to each other and friction occurs when the woman transcends her role or vice versa.
The best way to keep the passion flowing is to always be a fucking MAN, even if it means she'll throw a hissy fit, as referenced above. Eventually, she'll come around AND she'll know what she did was silly AND she'll thank you for not pulling the relationship down into the mudd through petty bickering over something that meant nothing.
Grimm and Carnal:
Yes, I absolutely did see how that line could be offensive but I decided to take the high road here. I frankly didn't care if it was a shot or not. Had this been said a few months back the daggers would have come out.
@ Grimm
Great post and thanks for the support. Your video is spot on and I like your explaination. I tend to think shit tests whilest in a relationship is a biological response so that the woman feels better about her choice in a man BUT the attraction thing definitely works as well. I mean, what turns on the average woman more than a strong man?
And, it goes without saying that some women simply do not shit test at all. The vast majority do and they never, ever stop.
@ Carnal
Your posts can come off as condescending. I'm sure the same can be said for a lot of guys on here. No biggie. Move on.
And, Grimm is not my toy soldier. He's my friend and he's sticking up for me the way a friend should.
As for your query, I think you're still seeing things from the wrong perspective. You used the words 'catering to a woman's needs.' I read that and think to myself what man would 'cater' to a woman's needs? And, what are the 'needs' that we're talking about here?
Having a recession proof job caters to a woman's needs?
Owning your home caters to a woman's needs?
Not drinking or smoking caters to a woman's needs?
Really?
None of that shit really matters. Be fun, be passionate, be strong, and lead the relationship. Do those and you're fine. I don't really see a whole lot of catering there. I just see a man doing what a man does and, as a result, providing what a woman wants and needs. It starts with us, it starts with the man. Women will follow if we lead them. But, as with any follower they need to test the will of their leader from time to time. And, that's what women do they test our will so they know that they're following the right guy.
Regarding this idea that an Alpha male should be in touch with his feminine side completely and utterly defeats the purpose of being Alpha. Men are men. We do masculine things. Do we have emotions? Yes. But the thing that ultimately defines an Alpha male is that we make decisions from a rational place. We do not allow our emotions to cloud our goals or our decisions. That's what women do.
So, when I have a fight with a woman over something that is illogical or irrational. Let's say she thought I was flirting with a girl at a party, which I probably was without knowing it OR the girl was attracted to me and my girlfriend could tell, and my girlfriend gets pissed off at me. I can UNDERSTAND where she's coming from, jealousy, fear of loss, insecurity, etc. I can understand those emotions. But, I cannot respond to her based on those emotional undercurrents. Instead, this is a situation when I have to stand strong and simply say: "I wasn't flirting. I'm loyal to you. This is your issue and you need to work it out."
How will she respond? Well, in that case, my girl responded like a bee's nest after you knock it to the ground. She was supremely pissed and I just handled it with composure and let her calm down. The next day, she apologized to me for her poor actions through very hot, sex in which she willingly and gladly submitted to my every demand. After that, she told me how silly she acted and that she just got emotional and how happy she was that I stood my ground because she was wrong. A feminist would say by treating her emotional outburst as petty and stupid was me ignoring her emotions and not trying to UNDERSTAND her. Well, I did understand her (which I told her after she apologized) but I was not going to react in an emotional manner. Doing so would have meant that I was allowing myself into a more feminine frame.
It is not a man's job to try to nurture his woman and understand her feelings and treat her accordingly. Instead, it's his job to get her back on track and help her understand that he's a rock, he's the foundation, and her silly little emotions are not going to weather him.
When a man is in touch with his feminine side it simply means he's fucking his girl. That's the closest it should get.
You're right about one thing. The man is the Ying to a woman's Yang. The Ying-Yang is represented in black and white. Society tries to tell us that the Ying-Yang is defined in shades of gray, but our biology still dictates that the Ying-Yang is black and white. In my eyes, the role of a male and that of a female are clearly defined. They are compliments to each other and friction occurs when the woman transcends her role or vice versa.
The best way to keep the passion flowing is to always be a fucking MAN, even if it means she'll throw a hissy fit, as referenced above. Eventually, she'll come around AND she'll know what she did was silly AND she'll thank you for not pulling the relationship down into the mudd through petty bickering over something that meant nothing.
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