Approach-a-thon

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[quote1235519041=Acuity]
Wasn't Dream that guy who did 3000 approaches and only got laid 3 times or something? The guy in The Game who was selling stuff and who still was a virgin? I think that was him lol

My only problem with what you are suggesting is that whenever a bunch of PUAs meet up, in my experience there is always a bunch of subconscious dick-measuring and not enough talking to girls. Especially with younger guys because that's just the way we are. It's just so much more time-effective to go out solo, although it may be much less "fun" and much harder.

Having said that, it's a good idea and I'd be up for it. Northpark is fine with me. Maybe 2 times a month is enough for these meetups. If we have interest, let's do it!
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Yes, that is him. Urban Legend, I wouldn't advise reading any of his material, if you are going to learn, learn from the best.

Honestly, I don't think many of the older guys would come out to this, they are mostly into night game. Now if you would like to organize an event where a bunch of us can discuss "game", then be the leader and set it up. That is one thing I have learned so far is that I don't lead enough. If you want to make a social event, go for it, don't wait for others to do it for you. I have seen you guys get like 6 people together before for daygame at northpark, that is a good start.

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Now if you would like to organize an event where a bunch of us can discuss "game", then be the leader and set it up.......... I have seen you guys get like 6 people together before for daygame at northpark, that is a good start.
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The first thing is not what I want at all.
I am trying to be a leader and set up something once a month to help us younger guys.
You can only learn so much when your only critic is yourself.
The last part is what I want, but with more than 6 guys.
With the lair.
The main point of this post is that I have heard a lot of talk of how all the guys who have been here a while with the community are here to help the noobs, which I certainly do not doubt.
In fact, I know you guys help out and commend you for it.
It's just, there is a group of guys on here that are being ignored by most of the lair off of the forum because of their age.
I don't think that should be the case.
When I joined the lair I was told I am lucky for starting at such a young age.
I believe in a sense that is true, and I am extremely happy I found the community sooner rather than later.
But am I really lucky if I cannot participate in monthly Lair activities because of my age?
It just seems like a double edge sword.



[b]IMPORTANT NOTICE:i DO NOT MEAN AT ALL TO SOUND LIKE AN ASS OR SEEM LIKE I AM AGAINST ANYONE ON THE LAIR.[/b]
I just have roughly 2 yrs till I turn 21 and want to know the game inside and out and banging girls in fitting rooms at the mall by that time :)

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hey man im there. I dont mind being a part of a group who looks like a pack trying to get laid. Im sure that wont be the issue, splitting into groups sounds like a great idea. It is a good way for the greater pua's to share their wisdom by showing and explaining rather by just reading in on here.

I think it is a great idea because i dont get out much. I really think Urban Legend just wants it where people who cant get into bars have a place to go. Im in.

A lot of other guys get to go out to bars almost every night for cheep. I think it would be pretty cool if they would correct us in a set when we are compleatly messing up.

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there are only so few day game experts, maybe only like 2 on this board.

and yes, i do care about being in a group of 8 guys walking around the mall. that girl i want to open may see it and not like it. a girl i want to open who was opened unsuccessfully by another may ruin my chances. even bull run said a large group is no good. Max, 2-3 guys.

if the experienced guys don't have to approach then they may not be able to help you because they are not experienced in day game. like acuity said, its better to go alone since it is more time-effective. even with another person is fine, but you don't need anyone else to help you. you already know how day game is run...

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by the way, I have already been organizing these unofficial meet-ups. i already tell Acuity, Just/Us, Matrix, Skepsis, Urban Legend, Afterlife, Tex to come by.

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I'm really drunk (Thanks Fat Tuesday) and want to start a fight. The best I can come ujp with right now is that you young fuckers need to prove why we should care enough to have an event involving you! lol.

In a non-dickhead-ish way...it makes sense. Right? :P

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I'm really drunk (Thanks Fat Tuesday) and want to start a fight. The best I can come ujp with right now is that you young fuckers need to prove why we should care enough to have an event involving you! lol.

In a non-dickhead-ish way...it makes sense. Right? :P
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You disqualified yourself from a potential fight by saying you are really drunk my friend ;)


I still think it is a good idea...

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then do it

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then do it
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The whole point is to get some of the heavy weights of the lair out to help us noobs out.
I haven't heard any of them say they will commit to doing this

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Urban Legend:

I say set the meeting up and see who shows. If there are specific guys you want to attend, then you send them a PM asking them to come out. You'd be surprised how receptive some of the older PUAs are when you reach out to them.

As for day game, and I'm speaking for a lot of the older guys, I don't have time for it. My days are extremely busy. However, I have been known to be opportunistic while I'm out and about. Because of this, I don't know how beneficial out analysis or input will be while you're 'gaming' someone.

Then again, the rules are pretty much the same whether it be day or night. Calibration is a lot different, and you can say and do things at night that you can't during the day.

In all honesty, I've never been too comfortable with the whole idea of going out and watching someone else run a set and then me giving them my two cents. Sure, I'll do it if we're out somewhere, but being there as a spy is a little creepy.

Also, some more experienced PUAs enjoy helping the noobs, but we're not usually very comfortable being watched. Which is why events like this don't really occur very often. It's easier to be watched in a mall than it is in a bar.

Keep in mind that there is a fundamental difference between a 29 year old (like myself) and a 18 year old. Women look at us differently, especially younger women. I can go up to a 18 year old and tease her mercilessly and she'll probably revel in the fact that an older man is flirting with her. If you do it, she might just think you're a jerk. The mystique of the older man is very, very real. In addition, the younger women tend to date within their social circle and require more time to become comfortable with a man (generally speaking of course). This comes from a lack of sexual confidence and it's very obvious in the interaction.

Finally, think about the demographics at the mall. What are your options? There are a lot young girls, but a lot of older guys won't date younger women. I will NOT game a girl younger than 25, period. In my opinion, a lot of the beauty of game is lost on those girls anyway. Then you have the hired guns...clerks and such. No thanks, I didn't spend all the money and time on my education so I could end up with a girl that asks if I found everything OK. Call me a snob. So, what's left? The mall may appear target rich, but the quality of these targets is generally pretty low. Again, in my experience I've found this to be the case. The grocery store after work is a much better source for what I, and other experienced guys, are looking for.

Having said all of that, I think you can get more experienced, older PUAs to come out and talk with you about game. But, I'm not sure how much participation you'll get out of them. And, you have to understand that there's a huge difference between giving advice in a general sense and coaching. Coaching requires a much, much higher investment than general advice. And, many more experienced PUAs feel that providing someone with coaching is essentially giving you something for nothing...which is why you don't see these events very often.

So, I leave you with this item. I've always said that the very best PUAs are like a dying dog. Just as a dog finds a place to be alone when they die, a PUA pulls chicks when no one is watching. When you see a PUA pull, chances are he just pulled a flake. My point is that the 'successful' closes are generally never seen, so seeing it in action may not be very beneficial.

Seriously though, put something together. Post it on the boards, if you have certain 'guests' of honor then PM them. You'd be surprised how many show up or commit to coming.

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Is it just me or has this topic about "old helping new" been re-hashed like 30 times?

New guys get off your asses and do something. If you want an event then start it and be diligent. Nobodies gonna hand it to you on a silver platter. No body came to me and said "here are all the pearls of my wisdom and experiences." Like BR said, reach out.

Also like he said, the ones that have been around know the value of their time (part of what makes them attractive or "good" at pick up). I agree with BR.