[quote1235209386=AlphaMo]
[quote1235003564=Lion]
I could go on and on about how there was never anybody on this earth named Jesus Christ
[/quote1235003564]
lol, really?
Turns out Jesus Christ was actually a real person....whether you believe he was son of god/profit/etc; that is a different story.
[/quote1235209386]
This is incorrect. There is insufficent evidence that Jesus existed for me, as well as others...though to be fair there is some evidence. You like to assert this as factual, because you have a religious motive in doing so, but I (and many others) find the evidence to be insufficent for such a belief.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Historical_views[/url]
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:39 am
[quote1235230441=Urban Legend]
[quote1235104511=Vin Diesel]
There are no Christians nor religious people here, bud. You lost, Sleek.
[/quote1235104511]
That's quite the assumption.
I actually know someone who posts on here that regularly attends events for his religious beliefs, though I will not name any names.
[/quote1235230441]
Could be talking about me. I do fit the bill. In fact, this is something VERY few people know, but I will post it here . When I found the community, I was on track to be a full time pastor. I was working on my master's at a school in Dallas for that very thing.
I found the community out of my frustration with what I was getting.
Now I will say, that many of the things I have done in the community do not match up with biblical standards. I know that and accept that. But, by definition, the community is not anti-christian.
[quote1235104511=Vin Diesel]
There are no Christians nor religious people here, bud. You lost, Sleek.
[/quote1235104511]
That's quite the assumption.
I actually know someone who posts on here that regularly attends events for his religious beliefs, though I will not name any names.
[/quote1235230441]
Could be talking about me. I do fit the bill. In fact, this is something VERY few people know, but I will post it here . When I found the community, I was on track to be a full time pastor. I was working on my master's at a school in Dallas for that very thing.
I found the community out of my frustration with what I was getting.
Now I will say, that many of the things I have done in the community do not match up with biblical standards. I know that and accept that. But, by definition, the community is not anti-christian.
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:39 am
I actually ignored people's response up until I saw Westfall's response. I mean come on. religious self righteousness? Not being able to make decision? I don't believe in religion?
I'm not here to talk about religion and spread the word.
I'm not here to force you guys to believe in Christianity.
I'm not here to have you guys make decisions for myself.
I'm not here to justify or be self righteous.
If you have problem with Christianity/ religions or don't believe in any of it, you did not need to comment. I specifically asked Christians/ people with similar view on this specific issue which Westfall was able to point out.
A lot of people seem to be close minded. That's fine but some of you made it look like you were giving an answer while actually mocking religions. If you get kick out of it like a lil kid, keep going for it.
Westfall, you were somewhat correct on how I feel. btw, your 2nd response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.
Edit:
Like I said, I was curious on how puas with similar belief as mine felt about this issue.
I'm not here to talk about religion and spread the word.
I'm not here to force you guys to believe in Christianity.
I'm not here to have you guys make decisions for myself.
I'm not here to justify or be self righteous.
If you have problem with Christianity/ religions or don't believe in any of it, you did not need to comment. I specifically asked Christians/ people with similar view on this specific issue which Westfall was able to point out.
A lot of people seem to be close minded. That's fine but some of you made it look like you were giving an answer while actually mocking religions. If you get kick out of it like a lil kid, keep going for it.
Westfall, you were somewhat correct on how I feel. btw, your 2nd response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.
Edit:
Like I said, I was curious on how puas with similar belief as mine felt about this issue.
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:43 am
[quote1235230861=Westfall]
[quote1235209386=AlphaMo]
[quote1235003564=Lion]
I could go on and on about how there was never anybody on this earth named Jesus Christ
[/quote1235003564]
lol, really?
Turns out Jesus Christ was actually a real person....whether you believe he was son of god/profit/etc; that is a different story.
[/quote1235209386]
This is incorrect. There is insufficent evidence that Jesus existed for me, as well as others...though to be fair there is some evidence. You like to assert this as factual, because you have a religious motive in doing so, but I (and many others) find the evidence to be insufficent for such a belief.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Historical_views[/url]
[/quote1235230861]
Ummm wrong there bro. Whether Jesus was indeed a historical.real person has long ago been settled. He was a real person, rooted in history. The real debate, and question, is whether or not he is who he said he was.
BTW, I got links and references out the wazooo. I can paste links all day on this. We can go there if need be. I do have a BIG mardi gras party to go to though ;)
[quote1235209386=AlphaMo]
[quote1235003564=Lion]
I could go on and on about how there was never anybody on this earth named Jesus Christ
[/quote1235003564]
lol, really?
Turns out Jesus Christ was actually a real person....whether you believe he was son of god/profit/etc; that is a different story.
[/quote1235209386]
This is incorrect. There is insufficent evidence that Jesus existed for me, as well as others...though to be fair there is some evidence. You like to assert this as factual, because you have a religious motive in doing so, but I (and many others) find the evidence to be insufficent for such a belief.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Historical_views[/url]
[/quote1235230861]
Ummm wrong there bro. Whether Jesus was indeed a historical.real person has long ago been settled. He was a real person, rooted in history. The real debate, and question, is whether or not he is who he said he was.
BTW, I got links and references out the wazooo. I can paste links all day on this. We can go there if need be. I do have a BIG mardi gras party to go to though ;)
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:12 am
[quote1235232611=Sleek] response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.[/quote1235232611]
Actually, if you know anyting about Group Theory you'd understand that groups of people are almost always more intelligent than the smartest person in said group.
Wiki is a great example of a self-correcting mechanism...kind of like how the free markets used to be...
Actually, if you know anyting about Group Theory you'd understand that groups of people are almost always more intelligent than the smartest person in said group.
Wiki is a great example of a self-correcting mechanism...kind of like how the free markets used to be...
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:38 am
[quote1235234218=Bull Run]
[quote1235232611=Sleek] response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.[/quote1235232611]
Actually, if you know anyting about Group Theory you'd understand that groups of people are almost always more intelligent than the smartest person in said group.
Wiki is a great example of a self-correcting mechanism...kind of like how the free markets used to be...
[/quote1235234218]
Agreed, but they really BLOW at making good decisions. what great idea has ever come from a comittee? just saying, not trying to pee in your wheaties BR. you know I luv ya!
[quote1235232611=Sleek] response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.[/quote1235232611]
Actually, if you know anyting about Group Theory you'd understand that groups of people are almost always more intelligent than the smartest person in said group.
Wiki is a great example of a self-correcting mechanism...kind of like how the free markets used to be...
[/quote1235234218]
Agreed, but they really BLOW at making good decisions. what great idea has ever come from a comittee? just saying, not trying to pee in your wheaties BR. you know I luv ya!
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:42 am
[quote1235234531=El Fenix]
[quote1235234218=Bull Run]
[quote1235232611=Sleek] response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.[/quote1235232611]
Actually, if you know anyting about Group Theory you'd understand that groups of people are almost always more intelligent than the smartest person in said group.
Wiki is a great example of a self-correcting mechanism...kind of like how the free markets used to be...
[/quote1235234218]
Agreed, but they really BLOW at making good decisions. what great idea has ever come from a comittee? just saying, not trying to pee in your wheaties BR. you know I luv ya!
[/quote1235234531]
noogie noogie
[quote1235234218=Bull Run]
[quote1235232611=Sleek] response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.[/quote1235232611]
Actually, if you know anyting about Group Theory you'd understand that groups of people are almost always more intelligent than the smartest person in said group.
Wiki is a great example of a self-correcting mechanism...kind of like how the free markets used to be...
[/quote1235234218]
Agreed, but they really BLOW at making good decisions. what great idea has ever come from a comittee? just saying, not trying to pee in your wheaties BR. you know I luv ya!
[/quote1235234531]
noogie noogie
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:28 pm
[quote1235232611=Sleek] response source is from wikipedia! :P Even I can write stuff on there. You can't really trust it.[/quote1235232611]
[link=http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html]Check out this news article that says Wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica[/link]
[link=http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html]Check out this news article that says Wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica[/link]
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:35 pm
LOL didn't read this particular wikipedia entry Bullrun but are you really trying to tell us Wikipedia is a super reliable source? We joke all the time at work about one of our co-workers who had a wikipedia entry describing him as a 'wunderkind'. Wikipedia is great, but not an authoritative source just because it fits your particular argument. There's some real good stuff on it, true... but authoritative -- no.
I'm curious where the 'religious self righteousness' in this thread is? Seen some religious bigotry, but that's about it.
Group theory? Dependence on the stupid group of people known as voters in this country is what is flushing it down the toilet. The group is the reason no one trusts the free market anymore, because the group has decided perceived handouts from the government are more important to them than the big picture. And if you're telling me a group of stupid people collectively is smarter than one extremely bright, intelligent leader -- then maybe you should start selling bridges as well, because I sure don't believe that at all. I'll bet a group could come up with all kinds of beliefs you don't agree with BR :)
Westfall had one of the better responses and one of the few who actually answered the original post rather than going off on his own personal rant/tangent. Either you reconcile the differences or choose to go against your own belief and face what you believe might be the consequences.
Personally, I don't listen to others and make my own decisions on these kinds of issues based on all the available information and a lot of deep thought. In the end it's the kind of decision you have to live with yourself over and not for what someone else says you should believe. If you believe the bible is the 100% literal word of god, then you better start following all it prescribes and not just in terms of sex. If, however, you believe the bible is a collection of religious stories and beliefs written by men (who are by definition within the bible itself fallible sinners) and put together hundreds of years after Jesus' lifetime, then its reasonable to read it and know that much of it is a reflection of the time it was written in (for example in the old testament where slavery is considered just fine and dandy) -- and make moral judgements based on philosophical principles and ideals that you can see being truly consistent with how you personally perceive god. For example, me personally -- I can't see god sending someone to hell because he chose to have premarital sex (or a variety of other things many conservative christians believe). That's not the kind of god I could ever choose to believe in. That doesn't mean because of that I automatically have to believe no god exists either.
Even if you don't believe in god or jesus at all, or even if he ever existed, I still think there is a lot of wisdom in many of his teachings and to just discard that based on other factors is ignorant. It's like saying 'well I hate romans and greeks, so that means their philosophies are ignorant and useless.' Unfortunately I see a lot of that attitude in this thread.
I certainly get it, all the fundamentalist preachers and self righteous christians have turned off a lot of people and so anything christian is to be ragged on mercilessly. It does get to a point though where antichristianity is as ignorant as the bible thumpers, though.
And please don't take this as being from some hard core christian or something, I don't even go to church - in fact I personally believe the majority of people who do are hypocrites because most don't really live christian lifestyles and just go becaue they think they should. That doesn't mean I see no value in religion or christanity either -- I just have my own take on it (that doesn't involve attacking it at any mention).
Rant/tangent mode: off
I'm curious where the 'religious self righteousness' in this thread is? Seen some religious bigotry, but that's about it.
Group theory? Dependence on the stupid group of people known as voters in this country is what is flushing it down the toilet. The group is the reason no one trusts the free market anymore, because the group has decided perceived handouts from the government are more important to them than the big picture. And if you're telling me a group of stupid people collectively is smarter than one extremely bright, intelligent leader -- then maybe you should start selling bridges as well, because I sure don't believe that at all. I'll bet a group could come up with all kinds of beliefs you don't agree with BR :)
Westfall had one of the better responses and one of the few who actually answered the original post rather than going off on his own personal rant/tangent. Either you reconcile the differences or choose to go against your own belief and face what you believe might be the consequences.
Personally, I don't listen to others and make my own decisions on these kinds of issues based on all the available information and a lot of deep thought. In the end it's the kind of decision you have to live with yourself over and not for what someone else says you should believe. If you believe the bible is the 100% literal word of god, then you better start following all it prescribes and not just in terms of sex. If, however, you believe the bible is a collection of religious stories and beliefs written by men (who are by definition within the bible itself fallible sinners) and put together hundreds of years after Jesus' lifetime, then its reasonable to read it and know that much of it is a reflection of the time it was written in (for example in the old testament where slavery is considered just fine and dandy) -- and make moral judgements based on philosophical principles and ideals that you can see being truly consistent with how you personally perceive god. For example, me personally -- I can't see god sending someone to hell because he chose to have premarital sex (or a variety of other things many conservative christians believe). That's not the kind of god I could ever choose to believe in. That doesn't mean because of that I automatically have to believe no god exists either.
Even if you don't believe in god or jesus at all, or even if he ever existed, I still think there is a lot of wisdom in many of his teachings and to just discard that based on other factors is ignorant. It's like saying 'well I hate romans and greeks, so that means their philosophies are ignorant and useless.' Unfortunately I see a lot of that attitude in this thread.
I certainly get it, all the fundamentalist preachers and self righteous christians have turned off a lot of people and so anything christian is to be ragged on mercilessly. It does get to a point though where antichristianity is as ignorant as the bible thumpers, though.
And please don't take this as being from some hard core christian or something, I don't even go to church - in fact I personally believe the majority of people who do are hypocrites because most don't really live christian lifestyles and just go becaue they think they should. That doesn't mean I see no value in religion or christanity either -- I just have my own take on it (that doesn't involve attacking it at any mention).
Rant/tangent mode: off
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by Guest » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:47 pm
Also, if you read that article about wikipedia, it'll tell you that even so wikipedia was not as accurate as britannica. I have no doubt that in terms of general entries in wikipedia such as science and literature, wikipedia is going to be about as accurate -- where wikipedia is not going to be as accurate or reliable is on hot button topics (for example, RELIGION) which are particularly predisposed to personal opinion and editor's bias.
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