Ah, you like me, love cheese.

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I wonder how strong it is though...
hmmmm
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I have been watching some Darren Brown videos on youtube, check em out, it is very interesting. He is able to [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg&feature=related]convince someone of what they want for a gift[/link] and [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vz_YTNLn6w]is able to pay for something with blank paper.[/link] I am taking a few psyc courses and this stuff ties in with conditioning and such. Very interesting, I will def be looking more into this. I think a lot of people don't think it works because they do not understand it. It is actually used quite a bit in marketing to get you to buy something.

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That Darren Brown guy is amazing.
I need to learn how to do that stuff...

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[quote1234996999=Urban Legend]

I wonder how strong it is though...
hmmmm
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I have been watching some Darren Brown videos on youtube, check em out, it is very interesting. He is able to [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg&feature=related]convince someone of what they want for a gift[/link] and [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vz_YTNLn6w]is able to pay for something with blank paper.[/link] I am taking a few psyc courses and this stuff ties in with conditioning and such. Very interesting, I will def be looking more into this. I think a lot of people don't think it works because they do not understand it. It is actually used quite a bit in marketing to get you to buy something.
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This kind of shit actually only really works on drones. People that do not think for themselves and are not confident enough to blaze their own trail and have conviction to their own opinions and beliefs. In other words, this stuff works on the weak.

Do you want to hook up with a weak girl?

I suggest you focus more on things that are more practical and productive. Read an interesting book about philosophy or economics, write, work out, jerk off...anything.

This stuff is shady and is a crutch. NLP and this other BS MAY be effective, but it is for the weak to prey on the weaker.

Just my two cents.

Thank me for posting.

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This kind of shit actually only really works on drones. People that do not think for themselves and are not confident enough to blaze their own trail and have conviction to their own opinions and beliefs. In other words, this stuff works on the weak.

Do you want to hook up with a weak girl?

I suggest you focus more on things that are more practical and productive. Read an interesting book about philosophy or economics, write, work out, jerk off...anything.

This stuff is shady and is a crutch. NLP and this other BS MAY be effective, but it is for the weak to prey on the weaker.

Just my two cents.

Thank me for posting.
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Thank you for posting :]
lol

I guess you're right.
It probably is not strong enough to work on a strong person.
If anyone is mentally strong and thinks for themselves it is a HB.

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If anyone is mentally strong and thinks for themselves it is a HB.
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I have to disagree with that, just because she is hot does not make her mentally strong, or sane for that matter. Many attractive girls have major issues too.

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This kind of shit actually only really works on drones. People that do not think for themselves and are not confident enough to blaze their own trail and have conviction to their own opinions and beliefs. In other words, this stuff works on the weak.

Do you want to hook up with a weak girl?

I suggest you focus more on things that are more practical and productive. Read an interesting book about philosophy or economics, write, work out, jerk off...anything.

This stuff is shady and is a crutch. NLP and this other BS MAY be effective, but it is for the weak to prey on the weaker.

Just my two cents.
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I don't want to get in a huge drawn out debate here, but basic psychology is the same for everyone. I'm sure you think you could never be susceptible to nlp or any other kind of hypnotism, most people think that way too. We watched a video in psychology were a guy is asking for directions, mid sentence someone with a huge sign walks buy, and by the time the sign is past, there is a different guy asking for directions. The weird thing is that the person that was giving directions had no idea that someone had just switched spots in front of them. Now you would probably watch that and say "oh, that would never happen to me", but you never know until you are in that situation (granted, I think I may have read that about 95% of people are susceptible to it). I am not interested in this to get a "weak girl", I just find psychology very fascinating and would like to learn more about it.

I am sure you use anchors in the field sometimes to anchor positive feelings, that is nlp. If you tell someone not to picture you naked, they will for a split second (not sure if its nlp, but it is influencing your thought process). I would even go as far as to say that affirmations are a form of nlp. Our mind is very powerful and can do almost anything.

But I guess to each their own.

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[quote1235053967=Just/Us]I think I may have read that about 95% of people are susceptible to it[/quote1235053967]

60% of statistics are made up....see, I just made that one up.

If you start trying to use NLP tactics in your conversations, you will come off as creepy. I agree that language, sentence construction, vocal inflection, tonality, and words do impact other people. But, you need to learn how to talk with people on a very basic level, then sprinkle in a few powerful words and you'll be fine.

When you go on these long diatribes like: "imagine you're on a roller coaster, it goes up and down, in and out...it's scary, but exhilarating...you'll feel something, and I'll be right there with you to share in your ecstasy." Which, by the way, is a common NLP example. You know what you sound like? An idiot. A creep. It's weird. Normal people don't talk that way, and most people will pick up on the dynamic that something is just 'off' about you.

Then again, if you're just interested in the subject go for it...just understand, with anything else, you need to make sure to be calibrated to the situation.

Thank me for posting.

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When you go on these long diatribes like: "imagine you're on a roller coaster, it goes up and down, in and out...it's scary, but exhilarating...you'll feel something, and I'll be right there with you to share in your ecstasy." Which, by the way, is a common NLP example. You know what you sound like? An idiot. A creep. It's weird. Normal people don't talk that way, and most people will pick up on the dynamic that something is just 'off' about you.

Thank me for posting.
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First off, thank you for posting!
haha

Second, I believe if you go up to a girl and run your opener "Who lies more? Men or women?" then after they answer transition into your roller coaster spiel then yes, of course you will sound like a creepy pervert.
However, most of the things I have read of hypnosis and NLP require the subject to be in a susceptible state. You cannot just go up to someone and say "Ah, you like me, love cheese!" and her slam her face to your dick. Won't happen. She will be too on guard by your approach and have her defenses up.
In hypnosis it is critical that the subject be in a state where they are open to trying new things and not put on guard by anything.
So I believe that if you get a girl comfortable enough to where you can say anything to her, like what juggler method focuses on, you can start doing this NLP stuff and she will not think you are a creep and it will work.

BTW, this process of getting her into comfort and hypnotizing her is proven to have an 85% success rate ;)

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[quote1235065358=Urban Legend]hypnotizing[/quote1235065358]


Look at what you are saying...

Seriously.

Hypnotizing?

What's next, you walk up to a girl who's got her legs crossed and you say:

"Open says me," then waive your magic wand (pun) intended.

Come on. Get real.

This is one of the biggest problems I have with pick-up. All of these bullshit advanced tactics. It confuses people and leads them down the wrong track. Pick-up is very simple, very simple. Tear down all of these tactics, NLP, Matchbook Method, Juggler Method, Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Shock and Awe....sure, it's interesting to read them but also know that the more you know the less you succeed. Period. The reason is because you get in your head too much and as such you stumble.

The only thing you really should focus on is learning to have normal conversations with people. Then, focus on body language and non-verbal cues. Next, focus on misdirection...i.e. build sexual tension through negs and playful qualifiers. Then, understand how women like to talk and what they like to talk about (social dynamics, gossip, and fantasy). Finally, understand that the difference is indifference (in other words, you are not impacted greatly by the interaction at hand). That's a very basic way of doing things, but it's surprisingly efficient.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's impossible to score unless you know how to block and tackle. Learn the basics, forget the rest. It's marginal at best and, in my opinion and experience (which has been supported by several other experienced guys), it mucks up the interaction because you become analytical. As such, it slows down the interaction or makes your responses awkward...it ruins the flow of social interaction. The best guys in the Community use a very small and efficient playbook.

Knowing everything means that you understand nothing. Specialize, don't diversify.

[Note that this is not directed at ONE person, just a general comment]

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agree with BR

This stuff is way off in the weeds and fringe, and has nothing to do with the core of male/female attraction

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[quote1235065358=Urban Legend]hypnotizing[/quote1235065358]


Look at what you are saying...

Seriously.

Hypnotizing?

What's next, you walk up to a girl who's got her legs crossed and you say:

"Open says me," then waive your magic wand (pun) intended.

Come on. Get real.

This is one of the biggest problems I have with pick-up. All of these bullshit advanced tactics. It confuses people and leads them down the wrong track. Pick-up is very simple, very simple. Tear down all of these tactics, NLP, Matchbook Method, Juggler Method, Mystery Method, Gunwitch Method, Shock and Awe....sure, it's interesting to read them but also know that the more you know the less you succeed. Period. The reason is because you get in your head too much and as such you stumble.

The only thing you really should focus on is learning to have normal conversations with people. Then, focus on body language and non-verbal cues. Next, focus on misdirection...i.e. build sexual tension through negs and playful qualifiers. Then, understand how women like to talk and what they like to talk about (social dynamics, gossip, and fantasy). Finally, understand that the difference is indifference (in other words, you are not impacted greatly by the interaction at hand). That's a very basic way of doing things, but it's surprisingly efficient.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's impossible to score unless you know how to block and tackle. Learn the basics, forget the rest. It's marginal at best and, in my opinion and experience (which has been supported by several other experienced guys), it mucks up the interaction because you become analytical. As such, it slows down the interaction or makes your responses awkward...it ruins the flow of social interaction. The best guys in the Community use a very small and efficient playbook.

Knowing everything means that you understand nothing. Specialize, don't diversify.

[Note that this is not directed at ONE person, just a general comment]
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Touché.


ONE OF MY POSTS HAS FINALLY GOTTEN A GREEN CHECK MARK THINGY!!!
Just thought I would point that out, it excites me :D