Field Report #1

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Cash money. I've always been of the belief that if a girl isn't touching you she doesn't want you. This is why I don't like to initiate kino. I don't want to give her permission to start grabbing/touching me because it takes away one of her key IOIs (Same thing with giving names).
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So funny you say that BR. In the beginning I experimented with kino a lot on the open and in the first initial interaction. It worked pretty well but immediately put the girl (even if she liked me) into a frame where she wasn't working for me. You know - we're on the couch in a bar talking about movies and holding hands. Damn - I cringe sometimes at my early stuff..

Tyler's posts primarily fixed this for me and it really is a key point. Kino IMO is generally to be initated by the girl first and then rewarded. I say GENERALLY (all sets are different) - you end up with a #close at best if you kino too much early on. When/how to touch in seduction is close to the hardest part. Obviously you are escalating the certain sexual touching, etc.. but timing is everything. BR is 100% correct that girls touch you and "lock you in" on the open a lot (if you do it right).. Can think of countless great examples.

Girls can be pretty bold in the first few minutes with the touch once you bait them LOL. Face / hair / head grabbing or touching is not uncommon early on. Sometimes an ass grab! Guaranteed sign that girl wants to fuck.

Also agreed with names. Everything really. You don't give a shit, right?!! This is the mindset people. Take it or leave it. Make the girl work for U U U !!

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[blockquote]I'm not a fan at all of the "opinion opener" etc. but you hooked it good. Do you notice the girl was busting you by saying "McDonalds"

.. OK love thanks for that. At this point IMO you bust her back. "Is that where your last date took you?". Yes it can sound harsh if not delivered correctly with a smile but you need to get into that frame. Who is the comedian here? Surely not a chick .. ;0[/blockquote]

OMG! I totally thought that too after I left. I wasn't quick on the draw. I hate when that happens—your mind always comes up with the best come backs when it's too late. Well, at least mine does.
These are all golden pointers. Don't think for a sec. I'm not jotting notes down. Basically calibrate, right? Sounds like calibration is what I really need to focus on. So okay, for this set there were no kino. No name exchanges, nothing. I think I ended up being the "friendly guy" passing by. Amazing, even this first set that seemed to last, oh let's say a whole 7 minutes, I've gained a lot of knowledge.

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[quote1227637196=Zero]


[blockquote]I'm not a fan at all of the "opinion opener" etc. but you hooked it good. Do you notice the girl was busting you by saying "McDonalds"

.. OK love thanks for that. At this point IMO you bust her back. "Is that where your last date took you?". Yes it can sound harsh if not delivered correctly with a smile but you need to get into that frame. Who is the comedian here? Surely not a chick .. ;0[/blockquote]

OMG! I totally thought that too after I left. I wasn't quick on the draw. I hate when that happens—your mind always comes up with the best shit when it's too late. Well, at least mine does.
These are all golden pointers. Don't think for a sec. I'm not jotting notes down. Basically calibrate, right? Sounds like calibration is what I really need to focus on. So okay, for this set there were no kino. No name exchanges, nothing. I think I ended up being the "friendly guy" passing by. Amazing, even this first set that seemed to last, oh let's say a whole 7 minutes, I've gained a lot of knowledge.
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Welcome to the jungle my friend. You are on the right track here. Your mind will come up with the right shit when it is clear of all other distractions. As my good friend and wing always says , the girls keep giving you chance after chance anyway when they want you.. Its funny to observe really when you bust them too hard (my bad habit in Dallas) and they are like "OK, I get it you are cool. Can you be nice now?" LOL

Remember that everything is throw away. Nothing matters. Never take anything personally, its all a learning experience. If you get blown out, hated on, whatever, just smile - suck it up and feel alive. Never become attached to the outcome and you will start to see this open up for you.

Also be patient. It takes a lot of time. More than anything to accept not all girls are gunna dig you (not saying these, just generally). But thats OK, right? It cal feel sucky at the time but 5 minutes later who cares eh? On to the next one.