Hey guys, I'm an approach artist!!
I get close to zero approach anxiety after a few warm ups in club game. I can now bust open sets and get great initial reactions from hotties and fatties alike pretty easily. I have balls when it comes to opening tough sets and I always try to push myself outside my comfort zone. I pretty much don't use any opener now and, as long as I'm keeping my vibe, it's been working.
When you fast forward 5-10 minutes though, many times the girl becomes bored, the huge set stales, or they lose initial attraction. Although this doesn't always happen, it happens with enough regularity that makes it suck a lot.
I'm guessing that I need to do more push-pull/baiting/qualification i.e. standard attraction stuff after it and get them chasing me. Then after that I'm gonna try to isolate the target ("Hey come here I have something to show you. Guys, I'm gonna borrow her for a sec, we'll be right back!" etc.) and do some comfort game while keeping up the banter. Sound good? What are some things that you guys do after successfully opening to a good reaction, in order to isolate and build comfort? I'm lookin for ideas. Thanks!
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by Guest » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:38 pm
Congrats on dealing with the AA and getting thru that part. Now comes the real game!
Its a very detailed question however my quick first suggestion to help your congruency would be start trying to better read body language very closely (and work on yours) while you are gaming all of these sets you talk about. I'm sure you do get further successes so watch and try to spot the good BL or verbals next time. Game is micro calibration and you want this to "slow down" like the Matrix. Mostly you want to try and spot what the girl is thinking from her BL, etc. then take advantage of that (plus her blatant disregard for your PUA skills LOL). I assume you do the basics (indifference to IOIs, talk to everyone in group as a friend, tease, wait for her to touch you and reward, etc.) You know, all the good stuff. Just being in good sets will prop you up around the club so don't worry about the outcome of any given interaction, just try to learn.
You are 100% correct that you need to have them chasing you. The only way to do that is to bait them and this is best achieved with nothing more than BL, smiling, EC used in subtle ways. IMO trying to always isolate quickly is a distraction. Yes obviously you want to isolate but that will happen in good time and you will learn to spot the opportunity (there will be many). Some guys have other ideas on that but I'm not bothered to make out with her in the corner after 5 minutes just because I can. I'd rather play it classy, create a good connection and slip out with her discreetly. We will have plenty of time alone..
Its a very detailed question however my quick first suggestion to help your congruency would be start trying to better read body language very closely (and work on yours) while you are gaming all of these sets you talk about. I'm sure you do get further successes so watch and try to spot the good BL or verbals next time. Game is micro calibration and you want this to "slow down" like the Matrix. Mostly you want to try and spot what the girl is thinking from her BL, etc. then take advantage of that (plus her blatant disregard for your PUA skills LOL). I assume you do the basics (indifference to IOIs, talk to everyone in group as a friend, tease, wait for her to touch you and reward, etc.) You know, all the good stuff. Just being in good sets will prop you up around the club so don't worry about the outcome of any given interaction, just try to learn.
You are 100% correct that you need to have them chasing you. The only way to do that is to bait them and this is best achieved with nothing more than BL, smiling, EC used in subtle ways. IMO trying to always isolate quickly is a distraction. Yes obviously you want to isolate but that will happen in good time and you will learn to spot the opportunity (there will be many). Some guys have other ideas on that but I'm not bothered to make out with her in the corner after 5 minutes just because I can. I'd rather play it classy, create a good connection and slip out with her discreetly. We will have plenty of time alone..
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by Guest » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:06 pm
heh, I think I am in the same boat here as you. AA is weird, like the first few sets you open in a venue are really hard and scary, but once you get on a roll, it is so much easier. Like you could have sarged all day yesterday, but today you go to a place and that first approach is sooo scary. At least that is the way it is for me. I have to get warmed up with a few sets.
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by Guest » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:49 pm
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heh, I think I am in the same boat here as you. AA is weird, like the first few sets you open in a venue are really hard and scary, but once you get on a roll, it is so much easier. Like you could have sarged all day yesterday, but today you go to a place and that first approach is sooo scary. At least that is the way it is for me. I have to get warmed up with a few sets.
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That never truly goes away but you can learn to deal with it. My rule in the beginning was first hot girl, first bar, open with anything.
If you were looking for an example of being in/out of state this is a good one. Once you get warmed up you are superman.
heh, I think I am in the same boat here as you. AA is weird, like the first few sets you open in a venue are really hard and scary, but once you get on a roll, it is so much easier. Like you could have sarged all day yesterday, but today you go to a place and that first approach is sooo scary. At least that is the way it is for me. I have to get warmed up with a few sets.
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That never truly goes away but you can learn to deal with it. My rule in the beginning was first hot girl, first bar, open with anything.
If you were looking for an example of being in/out of state this is a good one. Once you get warmed up you are superman.
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by Guest » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:49 am
the approach isnt his prob;lem, the open isnt his problem, if a set hooks then he has successfully opened. Hes having problems moving to the next stage of game, maybe not BL but is he locking in, does he know the next step to take to move forward that seems to be the problem to me
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by Guest » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:52 pm
Spot on, carmel. Yeah I'm fine with hooking, it's not liek all I walk up, open, and run away squealing. Looking to transition more into qualification/comfort stuff. My BL is fairly tight and i dont think it counts as a sticking point right now at least. Well I'll figure it out...
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by Guest » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:14 am
Also keep in mind that possibly you need to be finding out something about her and what she is interested in so that it will give you something to work with. If a girl tells me she is from India, as a girl did last Sat at Shelock's, I start talking about shit that I've learned from that spectrum of the globe. What I'm tying to say is that you definately need to keep her interested since your the aggressor and her the prey, why don't you try to find out a little about her through casual bullshit and then take off with that. It's not alays about canned material and things that these "gurus" have come up with. Play everything by ear and just flow. I will tell you this. The second you stop trying to think everything through and the moment you start just going with the flow is the moment you will see the most progress... Granted I have been called a natural by many but it's the same as Bruce Lee said about his Kung Fu style called Jeet Kun Do. sp? It's fluid. There is no fixed style or stance. Be like water. Go with the flow and see how she is reacting to what you say ad do. Then act on that. The more you practice just letting go and not trying to calculate what to say and when, or how to stand and when to do it, the more positive reactions you will probably get from the girls. Learn the material... It's good knowledge from people who have been there and proven that it works, but don't get caught up in the how, when, where, and why's. Just feel the vibe from her and the others in the set. React to that and adjust you game accordingly....
Much Luck to you... Isn't luck though.....
Much Luck to you... Isn't luck though.....
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by Guest » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:19 am
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Also keep in mind that possibly you need to be finding out something about her and what she is interested in so that it will give you something to work with. If a girl tells me she is from India, as a girl did last Sat at Shelock's, I start talking about shit that I've learned from that spectrum of the globe. What I'm tying to say is that you definately need to keep her interested since your the aggressor and her the prey, why don't you try to find out a little about her through casual bullshit and then take off with that. It's not alays about canned material and things that these "gurus" have come up with. Play everything by ear and just flow. I will tell you this. The second you stop trying to think everything through and the moment you start just going with the flow is the moment you will see the most progress... Granted I have been called a natural by many but it's the same as Bruce Lee said about his Kung Fu style called Jeet Kun Do. sp? It's fluid. There is no fixed style or stance. Be like water. Go with the flow and see how she is reacting to what you say ad do. Then act on that. The more you practice just letting go and not trying to calculate what to say and when, or how to stand and when to do it, the more positive reactions you will probably get from the girls. Learn the material... It's good knowledge from people who have been there and proven that it works, but don't get caught up in the how, when, where, and why's. Just feel the vibe from her and the others in the set. React to that and adjust you game accordingly....
Much Luck to you... Isn't luck though.....
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Respect.
Also keep in mind that possibly you need to be finding out something about her and what she is interested in so that it will give you something to work with. If a girl tells me she is from India, as a girl did last Sat at Shelock's, I start talking about shit that I've learned from that spectrum of the globe. What I'm tying to say is that you definately need to keep her interested since your the aggressor and her the prey, why don't you try to find out a little about her through casual bullshit and then take off with that. It's not alays about canned material and things that these "gurus" have come up with. Play everything by ear and just flow. I will tell you this. The second you stop trying to think everything through and the moment you start just going with the flow is the moment you will see the most progress... Granted I have been called a natural by many but it's the same as Bruce Lee said about his Kung Fu style called Jeet Kun Do. sp? It's fluid. There is no fixed style or stance. Be like water. Go with the flow and see how she is reacting to what you say ad do. Then act on that. The more you practice just letting go and not trying to calculate what to say and when, or how to stand and when to do it, the more positive reactions you will probably get from the girls. Learn the material... It's good knowledge from people who have been there and proven that it works, but don't get caught up in the how, when, where, and why's. Just feel the vibe from her and the others in the set. React to that and adjust you game accordingly....
Much Luck to you... Isn't luck though.....
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Respect.
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