Be honest with me...

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Sleek, I think the problem the other guys are having is they remember being in your situation at some time in the past ;) I know if I was in your position, those photos would have been of that chick spread eagle and unable to walk because she'd been banged so hard ;) I'm not that into black chicks either, and I don't think this one even looks asian enough for you to use that in the qualification ;) That being said, for my tastes she's on the upper end of the attractiveness scale she'd be high quality to me :) Everyone comes from a different perspective though I understand wanting your first not to be just anybody...

That being said I'd ask you to question what it is you're going for.... are you trying to marry your first chick? are you trying to have sex and right away be in a serious relationship and not get to have more with someone else for a long time? Unless you are I'm not sure why you're so concerned... even if it's only about looks, I don't think you need to be so picky that your first has to be a 10... for one thing if you've never done it, you want a bit of experience when you do find that ultimate high quality chick... do you really want your first to be some chick who is a 10 and may not appreciate your lack of experience???

If you're working at being a PUA, I'd say it's better to sleep with a fairly hot girl who may not be your ideal for your first time... so that when you do find your ideal you have a bit of experience... that's just me :)

If your goal is to be a PUA so you can find this ideal 10, have sex with her and start a serious relationship right off the bat I guess go for it... otherwise I'm not sure I see the point :)

I was thinking the same thing Vector said as well but I don't know you well enough to say whether that could be the case...

But if you are really not attracted to this chick at all I wouldn't bother... if it's just not that she's what you ideally would go for, I'm not sure why that matters unless you've got better offers on the table ;)

Let's put it this way... you're probably not going to find a lot of guys here who haven't slept with a chick that wasn't his ideal at some point -- that's what ya do when you'd rather have sex than go home waiting for the ideal to come along ;)

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Thx ratio. I get what you were saying and thx for the advice. However, I don't want any serious long term relationship. Because I am a virgin, I dont' want anything serious. I want to have FBs and one night stands. I am not ready to settle with one girl friend and etc.

I didn't mean quality was defined only beauty. However, in this case I used the word "quality" to imply her physical attractiveness. It is true that Quality is not deteremined only by physical appearance. As I said earlier, I am not lookin for a girlfriend materials such as havin a wonderful personality and all. I just want SNL and FBs. I am pretty sure personality won't matter to u as much when it comes to SNL and FBs... probably the physical attractiveness u would look for when you want SNL and FBs...

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lol maybe I am quite shallow... dam it... U r right. I dont' want anything serious and yet I want a hott girl to have sex with. I guess you're right. I need experience. I might as well just go for it.

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If you really thought she was so unattractive, why would you ask us what we think? If we all thought she was super hot would you do anything different? This is why it seems to me that this is less about your own standards, and more about your worry of being judged by others (and by yourself).

I'm not saying you should fuck an ugly girl, but do recognize the value in a "C-" (passing) or "B+" (decent) girl vs. waiting for only "A+" girls. Plus, experience with "B+" girls will help you tremendously in attaining the "A+" ones.

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if you are a virgin, the first thing you need to do is check into the game. focusing on SNLs and FB's may be a little premature... ;)

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I didn't say she was ugly. She is decent for a black girl, that's why I asked. :P

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[quote1219260829=Sleek]It may be because I don't give a fuck, she might be more interested in me than the girls I chase...[/quote1219260829]

My favorite quote, take it to heart:

The difference is indifference.

If you go for this chick, you're not after anything...actually you're probably going to just 'be.' This means no calibrating, no game, no nothing. This means you'll probably create natural attraction...and you'll probably hook her.

I think PC is right. Go out with her. But do it with the mindset that you don't give a fuck.

I would say that you shouldn't fuck her. You don't really want to fuck her, so don't. Just because you can doesn't mean you should...get me? I, like just about everyone on here, turn down pussy ALL THE TIME because it isn't what we want. When I first started, this wasn't the case at all. Sometimes KNOWING is just as good as actually DOING...especially when they don't fit in with what you want.

I second Ratio and Vector's comments about pickiness being the shield with which you hide behind, the excuse to yourself for not being as good as you would like to be or think you are. It's a crutch. Being here is all about being honest with yourself. So, be honest. I can promise you that you've met many women that were good enough to fuck but you still didn't or couldn't. You always fall back on that, always. I've said something similar before...if someone says they're good at something this means they probably suck and are just saying it to make themselves feel better...same concept, different application.

Now, I would normally say that being a virgin is a choice but in your case I'm not too sure bro. I've known guys that didn't get laid until they were 28 and it was a choice in their case. The reason I believe it's not as much of a choice as you let on? You're in a secret community of men devoted to attracting and seducing women. Being a virgin because you're so picky and being here are not at all congruent. Having said that, this implies that it's been a choice up to NOW but not necessarily in the FUTURE.

I agree that looks aren't the whole package. So why is it so important that others state whether or not she's hot? Makes zero sense to me man, zero. Do you think she's hot? No. OK, don't fuck her. Oh wait, she's got a great personality, she's fucking interesting as hell, she's got a lot of money, she's got fake tits, she fucks like a porn star...OK maybe she's hot in other ways. Maybe you should reconsider. You have that part down, you understand that the way someone looks isn't the whole picture. This will serve you well as you develop into a PUA.

Another word on looks. I've met and seen many of our fellow PUA's targets and HBs and what not. Very rarely do I ever agree with you guys regarding their 'number.' Guys, sometimes I see and hear you talk about HB8/9/10s, and I throw up in my mouth a little bit because they aren't even close to what I would consider to be hot. And, I KNOW THIS WORKS IN REVERSE. We all have different tastes, if you think she's a 10 then that's all that matters. Don't ask us what 'number' she has because WE'RE ALL FUCKING WRONG!

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oh and PS sleek - the guys who say 'a pussy is a pussy' don't know shit :) lots of difference between pussies :) surprising how much difference there is really. unfortunately once you're at the pussy it's often too late to pull back haha

oh yeah, and one thing i'll mention that no one has yet... maybe this chick isn't your ideal, or who you'd necessarily target as an FB, SNL, or whatever... but pussy is NOT pussy... you could get with her and find out she is some of the hottest pussy around :) or some of the worst... no real way to know til you go there... i'm sure bull will attest as well that you can score some really hot pussy and have her end up being a totally lame, dead fish ;)

If she's given you sexual vibes already then that's a real good sign...

i'd go w/ PC and bull's advice... go out w/ her.. .have a good time... don't give a fuck... if you feel like it and the vibe's there, go for it... also just cuz you mess around doesn't mean you fuck... mess around with her some and see how you feel then... you may realize once you start making out you're a lot more into it than you thought ;) or less... decide whether you fuck her after you do that rather than just in theory ;) plus you get a good field report out of it even if you don't fuck her ;)

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lol this thread seems like bring in lots emotions out of this community. Maybe it was a bad idea to post this thread... I just want to make something clear.

I am not afraid to fail or success or rejection with this chick. I did say I might have a little bit of fear if she was really HOT. So I am not tryin to overcompensate or any bullshit. I don't like to do field reports that are exaggerated or overrated. I am sure some of yall met me in real life. You guys would know I don't bull shit around. I don't make up stories. I will tell you straight up if I get shut down. I will tell you straight up if I did run a good set. I will tell you straight up if I gotten kiss close or not. etc.

I have no reason to hide behind some shield by being picky to make some stupid excuses just because I am not good. Even Grimm said this in other post that it's a good thing I admit that I am not good and want to learn more. I never told anyone I am good or experience because I just got into this in April of 2008. I have no reason to overcompensate myself or look good because I don't give out advices or anything. I am not held acconutable for any claims I have made. That is why I don't need such shields. I have told yall that I am not that great and want to work on my game. I don't need such shield because I never made any claim that I am good...