Field Report- Never underestimate the power of honesty

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Thanks Vector. Where do I send the check???? =)

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Oh man.....do I smell a game-off??

Grimm.
Twitchy.
Tomorrow night.
Gentlemen, start your amoging!

:)

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Sorry, I will be out of town.....

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Got to admit Twitchy, its a little much, but if you are what you say you are.....way to go. 3 girls in 3 nights wears my ass out combined with work and the rest of life.

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I've met Twitchy on a couple of occasions and he gave me no reason to NOT believe him so I'll accept that he's telling the truth.

Further, I know and respect Vector. I value his opinion as a fellow PUA and a friend. If he says Twitchy is what he is, then I'm on board. The comment about Hugh Hefner is a bit much Vector. The Hef isn't even comparable to Twitchy, no offense Twitchy. Still though I get the point.

Social Circle game is something that none of us understand well because we're all out in the field...totally different world, totally different dynamics. I understand that because I've done it too.

I signed up for a co-ed kickball league in the winter. I entered their social circle for a while. Everyone was hooking up (I define hooking up as anything sexual...kissing, BJs, sex, whatever) with everyone else, it's totally normal. It's only natural for mixed social circles to do this...ever see Friends?

HOWEVER, the interesting thing I noticed was that once the word got out that I was hooking up with a few new girls each week I got shut down. Period. Actually, I got snubbed by EVERYONE: the guys because I was hooking up with 'their girls,' the girls I hooked up with because they were one of many, and the girls that I hadn't yet hooked up with because they didn't want to be the next one (nor be seen as a whore that messed around with me). Funny thing was that I was probably the MOST subtle about my hook ups. Girls fucking talk man and they talked me right out of the circle.

My point is that I destroyed that social circle by fishing in it too much.

So, when you say you run social circle game I have to think to myself how the fuck can you hold that shit together when everyone else knows what you're all about?

I found all of my hooking up became a value destroyer, so how is it possible that when you're tagging 4 chicks at one time that the rest of the group doesn't see you as low value?

They've got to be different social circles that don't interact with each other. You must be a member of several, shit by the the numbers a shit load of social circles. Which leads me to wonder...how did the word about you being 'single' get out so quickly if these were independent groups?

I'm just being logical here and trying to understand.

When I was hard core into this, when my ENTIRE heart was devoted to the Game...circa Spring through Fall '07...I was doing exactly what you seem to be doing every week. I would regularly build harems. I'd spend an entire week sarging, then the next on day2s, I'd inevitably end up with a harem of 3-4 girls to play with for a week, then I'd get tired of them and blow them all out in a week, then start over again. Obviously, harems overlapped and maybe one from one harem would carryover to the next but you get the idea. Over a 9 month span I probably built something like 3 harems. Anyway, my point is that I stopped doing that shit for a few reasons:

1) It is fucking exhausting having 3-4 women around
2) Yes, you tell women that you see other people...but you still have to play cover your ass a little bit, simply out of respect. These girls don't need to know that I fucked someone else yesterday or an hour before they came over. My life was women and this severely limited my conversational topics...in other words, I couldn't really tell them how my week was/is because too many women were a part of it.
3) Time management. You literally have to stop certain aspects of your life just to fit all of the tail in...fuck, sometimes I just wanted to read a book, listen to some tunes, and enjoy some wine.
4) You don't really build any connections with these women. Because you're time is so constrained it almost literally becomes wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Which sort of brings me to my last point...
5) Low value. I found that the vast majority of girls that would stick around once I told them about the situation and their place in my life were low value. The high value ones that stuck around were doing the same thing that I was...i.e. lots of boyfriends.

Number 5 was the straw that broke the camels back. I quickly tired of low value, LSE girls. Girls that didn't fucking care if I was fucking everything that moved really bothered me. The ones that had problems with the concept or didn't ask were the ones that I really liked. But they didn't stay very long because they demanded to be treated better, and rightfully so!! Unfortunately, I let a lot of high quality puss go because I was too focused on building a harem.

I can totally understand where these guys are coming from Twitchy. After my kickball experience I sort of understood why I was able to build harems...the girls weren't in the same social circle, I was the common denominator and I wasn't going to fucking spill my guts. But other members of the circle will because NO ONE can ever keep their fucking mouth shut.

You must be a member of a fucking swingers social circle because I don't think Rachel would have been OK with Ross fucking Phoebe...

I think this is what everyone is having a hard time getting their heads around.

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Wow how did u hear about kickball co-ed team? It sounds fun. I kinda wanna join stuffs like that.

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Thanks for your insight BullRun. I have dabbled with the whole social circle game but wasn't sure how to go about it or what to expect.

A buddy and I were mingling within a social circle of strippers that all worked at the same club. Our plan was to get to know everybody that worked at this club from the dancers to the managers. Well we did and in the process we ended up seeing 2 of the girls. He pissed his girl off, then I was an asshole too and they labeled us as "players looking to score ass". Yeah they were pretty much right! lol. Next thing none of the club girls wanted to socialize with us. Initially we figured we'd be ok because strippers tend to dislike each other and they don't socialize with other dancers they work with. They view each other as competitors. Turns out they still talk about guys amongst each other. I'd definitely do this differently next time.

I've also learned to be more careful on myspace within social circles. Those girls all read your comments and look at your pics of you out partying with some new girl. I've got 2 different girls right now that I had no clue ran in the same social circle until I saw pics of both of them on a 3rd girls myspace. I got called out on it just this week. We'll see. But I think if you do it right, you can get those girls to compete against each other for your attention.

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Leonydas , sorry for hijacking your field report. My premise was simply to agree and support you that it is perfectly OK to not sleep with a woman the first opportunity you have. From my perspective, it is actually advantageous to wait until you decide you want to.

Bull Run, I like your thoughts about social circle. I have run into many of the same issues. I have a lot of thoughts about it that I need to package up and refine so will do that in another post thread.

Sorry to anyone if I was coming across as a braggart. That was not my intent. I was only trying to show that different methods (i.e. deciding on sex and true qualification) can yield tremendous results. I am more successful than many but definitely don't have it all together. I actually suck at quick escalation and cold approaches - things that a lot of guys on this board have mastered. So, no Hugh Hefner here. (Plus I don't really like blondes, am not rich nor have old, saggy balls (yet))

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That's a very classy answer.

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[quote1218922871=Twitchy]Bull Run, I like your thoughts about social circle. I have run into many of the same issues. I have a lot of thoughts about it that I need to package up and refine so will do that in another post thread.[/quote1218922871]

Thanks bro.

I look forward to your thoughts about social circle. Looking back on my experience, I'm not sure there was anything that I could have done differently...other than not hooking up with so many fucking chicks in the group. Oddly enough, maybe NOT being so secretive about it may have allowed me to remain in the circle. I was never seen with the rest of the group with being with these girls...i.e. we never showed up together, we never left together, we never gave any indications that something was going on. It is possible that if I was more public then maybe everyone would not have been so freaked out once the word got out. Dunno, just a random thought.

Twitchy is a class act and I knew that he would not think of my post as an attack. It's nice to see that there is some level of maturity on this board.