I'm a little drunk right now so this may not be 100% clear...
I just got back from Dukes in Bedoford. I did this sarge in about 1 hour with no wings. And it was fun.
I wasn't supposed to be sarging or going out at all. But I felt like going out. I was going to test out some new stuff I've been thinking about.
The new stuff is mostly this theory: attraction is 10 minutes, comfort and sexuality are much more key factors.
I wanted to work on my comfort (C1) game but here's how it went down.
I get to Dukes and the place looks good. Its pretty sad when the bartender knows your first name and asks where you've been....signs that you should stop drinking I guess or just good customer service on their part.
Fuck it.
I do a few sets. First set is jamming to a really cool tune. Of course I use my semi-canned opener "Who sings this". The first girl does some asking around and we figure out that Ice Cube sung it originally.
One girl wants a picture with me. She's kinda flirty with me and I tell her that we'll make her boyfriend jealous.
Easy first set.
They kinda keep dancing around and are basically in A.D.D. mode. I am quickly replaced by them hugging eachother and more pictures. Ok. Onward.
The next set almost steals my seat. I'm like "Hey....WTF?" I acually say "W..T..F?" and its funny. Then I catch a wiff of one girls perfume and its amazing. I tell her she smells wonderful and what kind is that?
"Its Blueberry". I tell her that I'll be back if I get hungry.
Damn I haven't been in "the field" in a while. Feels good. The bar isn't very crowded and there are girls here too.
There are a few "open sets" - my definition for girls who's body language is a giveaway that they want attention. Learn this if you're not aware of it.
Two set I spotted earlier has a really flirtatious girl in the set. She is all smiles and she's really cute with curly hair and green eyes. A dish for sure.
I watch as one guy "games" her. And then another black guy talks to them.
A five set of girls comes over and I talk to them. One girl is having her 22 birthday and I get her a beer. (My choice.)
After a little while I stand there and I suddenly catch the attention of The green eyed girl who was so popular.
I basically waved at her and walked over and put my arm around her. The whole thing was less than 3 seconds. Her body language was so inviting and she was interested.
I guessed what she and her friend did for a living. She's a teacher but I could not guess what the subject was. So she told me she teaches spanish. She was very Country and had an accent, so I teased her that she does the Peggy Hil (King of the Hill)l version of Spanish.
We talked for a minute and I told her she looked really cute.
She asked me if I lived around here. I told her "Wow....let's take it slow." And then I put my finger in her jeans and puller her to my body. I tell her that if she wants, we can go.
I've gotten good at this sexual state stuff. I'm staring at her in those pretty green eyes and I'm talking really slow and my tone is very masculine.
I tell her she's my new girlfriend.
Then I ask her "Am I coming on too strong?"
What's really funny about this question is they all say no. Which gives me permission to continue...hahaha!!
I give her a kiss on the cheek. We find out that we're the same sign.
She wants to check on her friend. Evidently I am going too fast. But she gives me her number and says "You better call me."
I like girls who say "You better call me." Do you guys get this? Do you think its legit?
She wanders off with her friend and I see them leaving.
But I got her number. I text her that I'll call her tomorrow. I plan on being very persistent with her over the next few days and weeks.
This could have been an SNL. It was close.
T
Dallas PUA
The Pickup Artist Playground
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by Guest » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:51 am
[quote1216995249=Tribulus1000]I like girls who say "You better call me." Do you guys get this? Do you think its legit?[/quote1216995249]
Nope. As a matter of fact, I would contend that when a girl says "you better call me" she doesn't really want you to call. Instead, she's trying to exit the situation without ruffling any feathers or creating friction or flat out rejecting someone.
This isn't 100% set in stone though. It's very possible that she's one of the few exceptions to the rule. But in this case, I don't think that's the case at all.
I don't know how many SNLs you've had, but it has nothing to do with sex. Nothing. Sure, you have to be sexual but you need to exude that with body language, tonality, and eye contact. You can't ever talk about it. You can't ever ask them to come over. Once you do ask or angle towards going home together, with verbal cues, then she's going to freeze up on you. She's going to think that all you want is sex. For sure that may be what she wants as well, but she's not going to give it to you if you make her think that all you want is to fuck her.
Without putting concrete numbers to it, I've had A LOT of SNLs. I know a lot of the guys on here have as well. When I look back on my successful SNLs versus those that could have happened but didn't a couple of trends begin to emerge.
When I'm successful this is how it usually breaks down:
1) A viable SNL will tell you who's she with, her relation to her (i.e. friend, sister, etc.), how she got to the venue (i.e. did she drive herself, come with her friends, take a cab, etc.), and where she lives, or for out of towners where she's staying. You should never have to ask for these things, if she's thinking about having sex with you she's going to tell you these facts so you can be smooth enough to work around her situation without arousing too much suspicion or attention. In other words, by her telling you this she is asking you to figure out a way to get her home without letting the world know that she's going home with a guy she just met.
2) I never, ever, ever, ever tell her that I want to take her home or invite her to my place until very, very late in the interaction (if at all). I never ask. I'm never that direct. I've found that when I do get that direct, I start getting creepy, she starts feeling like a whore, and all is pretty much lost for the SNL. A number/kiss close is always possible and usually occurs but the likelihood of her flaking increases substantially.
3) If you haven't kiss closed her, you will not SNL her. Kiss close first. Don't bother number closing until you either leave with her or you leave the set. Seems like an odd order of operations but you're in the moment, getting the number implies that you're thinking ahead to the next time you 'hang out.' This subcommunicates that you like her enough to see her again. Remember she's a complete stranger, so why would YOU want to hang out with someone that's a complete stranger? It implies that you are so devoid of options that a someone you just met will do. So....
4) Get to know her. If you've gotten all the signs, read step 1. Then you are going to have to commit to this set. You can come and go, but you can't stay gone for long. Bulldog your way through. Become part of the group. Which brings us to...
5) Diffuse any and all obstacles. Most of my SNLs break into various phases and in the initial phase I spend about 80% of my time talking to her friend(s). They've got to get to know me, I've got to become part of the group, their newest friend. Since I'm talking to her friends, I have to communicate with the target using non-verbal cues. So, I use my body language to keep her close and let her know I'm interested, i.e. I touch the small of her back, rub her leg under the table, shoot a wink and a smile to her from time to time, etc. In virtually every SNL I've ever had, the friends ALWAYS liked me and ALWAYS said so. Once I'm accepted, this is when...
6) I isolate the target to someplace quiet so you can actually carry on a real conversation. Don't monopolize her time though. You have to be respectful of the fact that she's with her friends and they came to see her. If you steal her, they're going to steal her back. So, isolate for short periods of time. If you have not done so yet, this is the time to kiss close her. Remember she's still anonymous to you because you still haven't number closed. Just get the number out of your head until the end, it literally is the last step in the process.
7) Bring her back to the group. Then bounce again. You should run about 3 to 1. For every 3 minutes in group, steal her for 1. Anything more than that and it's going to seem awkward. Also, you have to be in charge of this. She's probably going to loose track of time when you're alone with her, she see her friends all the time but you're new and exciting so she's going to forget about them. Time will literally fly for her. You've got to keep an eye towards how long you've been gone. I've found it's best to build her excitement up when you're alone and then cut it short by MAKING her go back to her friends.
8) Be sexual with body language, tonality, and eye contact. One of the most successful sexual moves I've ever done with women is to be silent for a few seconds, think about what I'm going to do to her later (your eyes will naturally sparkle with that 'I want to have sex with you' look), and look her in her eyes. When she says "what?" (they always do because they're curious of the shiny new object that is you), you should smile, and break eye contact to the side. DON'T TELL HER WHAT YOU WERE THINKING! But, be sure to imply that what you were thinking was totally and utterly inappropriate and SEXUAL. This will raise her buying temperature and it will give you something to whisper in her ear when you've got her back at your/her place.
9) Tell her that the two of you should get out of here. She'll ask to where. Don't say your place or her place. Say, something like "let's get breakfast" or "let's go across the street and get a drink." If you get her out of that venue to another, you're chances of an SNL increase substantially. If she agrees to leave, MAKE SURE SHE TELLS HER FRIENDS. This is important because if you pass this test, i.e. they let her go with you, then when it's time to take her home you'll be very likely to pass that test as well. Again, your bounce has to be platonic and needs to be something the WHOLE GROUP can attend. Sometimes you have to take everyone, which is fine because if you do then you've just become the alpha male in under 2 hours. Can someone say DHV?
10) If she invites you back to her place or over to yours don't get sexual, this is her final test. I usually say something like:
"Only if you have Monopoly 'cause I love that game!"
"K, I have a hookah...we can smoke it. Yummy!"
"Ok, but we're not going to have sex! I'm not a piece of meat you know!"
11) Then, MAKE her go say goodbye to her friends (if she hasn't already). You need to come as well because they're your friends too remember?
12) Once we get to the car is when I really unleash the vibe. I almost always have a quick make out session with them. It subcommunicates that you've been respectful up to this point by not ravaging her in front of the world, also it implies that you can't wait any longer. Chicks love, love this. Also, on the drive I always put my hand on their leg and my hand always ends up in her crotch...unless of course you're getting road head.
13) If she can't leave with you, don't fret! Get the number, say goodbye, don't press her in anyway, tell her friends goodbye, and leave like a good sport. More often than not, she'll either call or text you to come over. This way NO ONE knows she's a little whore. DON'T TEXT OR CALL HER! She's got to contact you, it's got to be her idea. Otherwise, treat the number close the same way you would any other number close.
A word on Lone Wolves
Lone Wolf SNLs are so much easier because she doesn't feel the need to hide the fact that she's going home with you. So, you can be direct with them. Don't say shit like "I'm gonna fuck you" or "I wanna take you home" I've found that women get creeped out by that sort of thing. You can say "let's go." Then take her hand and lead her out. Usually, I bounce to another venue then I bounce to my/her place. I've pulled Lone Wolves into an SNL in 30 minutes where as a 3 set takes all night.
A lot of this stuff is rehashed from guru's and what not but a lot of it I had to learn on my own. I think in short the formula goes like this:
Wait for her to tell you her logistics
Don't press for the SNL
Don't worry about the number close
Be-friend the group
Don't steal her from her friends, even if she wants to be stolen
Bounce to another venue
Act completely and totally disinterested in sex via your verbal communication, but communicate sexuality through body language, tonality, and eye contact
Nope. As a matter of fact, I would contend that when a girl says "you better call me" she doesn't really want you to call. Instead, she's trying to exit the situation without ruffling any feathers or creating friction or flat out rejecting someone.
This isn't 100% set in stone though. It's very possible that she's one of the few exceptions to the rule. But in this case, I don't think that's the case at all.
I don't know how many SNLs you've had, but it has nothing to do with sex. Nothing. Sure, you have to be sexual but you need to exude that with body language, tonality, and eye contact. You can't ever talk about it. You can't ever ask them to come over. Once you do ask or angle towards going home together, with verbal cues, then she's going to freeze up on you. She's going to think that all you want is sex. For sure that may be what she wants as well, but she's not going to give it to you if you make her think that all you want is to fuck her.
Without putting concrete numbers to it, I've had A LOT of SNLs. I know a lot of the guys on here have as well. When I look back on my successful SNLs versus those that could have happened but didn't a couple of trends begin to emerge.
When I'm successful this is how it usually breaks down:
1) A viable SNL will tell you who's she with, her relation to her (i.e. friend, sister, etc.), how she got to the venue (i.e. did she drive herself, come with her friends, take a cab, etc.), and where she lives, or for out of towners where she's staying. You should never have to ask for these things, if she's thinking about having sex with you she's going to tell you these facts so you can be smooth enough to work around her situation without arousing too much suspicion or attention. In other words, by her telling you this she is asking you to figure out a way to get her home without letting the world know that she's going home with a guy she just met.
2) I never, ever, ever, ever tell her that I want to take her home or invite her to my place until very, very late in the interaction (if at all). I never ask. I'm never that direct. I've found that when I do get that direct, I start getting creepy, she starts feeling like a whore, and all is pretty much lost for the SNL. A number/kiss close is always possible and usually occurs but the likelihood of her flaking increases substantially.
3) If you haven't kiss closed her, you will not SNL her. Kiss close first. Don't bother number closing until you either leave with her or you leave the set. Seems like an odd order of operations but you're in the moment, getting the number implies that you're thinking ahead to the next time you 'hang out.' This subcommunicates that you like her enough to see her again. Remember she's a complete stranger, so why would YOU want to hang out with someone that's a complete stranger? It implies that you are so devoid of options that a someone you just met will do. So....
4) Get to know her. If you've gotten all the signs, read step 1. Then you are going to have to commit to this set. You can come and go, but you can't stay gone for long. Bulldog your way through. Become part of the group. Which brings us to...
5) Diffuse any and all obstacles. Most of my SNLs break into various phases and in the initial phase I spend about 80% of my time talking to her friend(s). They've got to get to know me, I've got to become part of the group, their newest friend. Since I'm talking to her friends, I have to communicate with the target using non-verbal cues. So, I use my body language to keep her close and let her know I'm interested, i.e. I touch the small of her back, rub her leg under the table, shoot a wink and a smile to her from time to time, etc. In virtually every SNL I've ever had, the friends ALWAYS liked me and ALWAYS said so. Once I'm accepted, this is when...
6) I isolate the target to someplace quiet so you can actually carry on a real conversation. Don't monopolize her time though. You have to be respectful of the fact that she's with her friends and they came to see her. If you steal her, they're going to steal her back. So, isolate for short periods of time. If you have not done so yet, this is the time to kiss close her. Remember she's still anonymous to you because you still haven't number closed. Just get the number out of your head until the end, it literally is the last step in the process.
7) Bring her back to the group. Then bounce again. You should run about 3 to 1. For every 3 minutes in group, steal her for 1. Anything more than that and it's going to seem awkward. Also, you have to be in charge of this. She's probably going to loose track of time when you're alone with her, she see her friends all the time but you're new and exciting so she's going to forget about them. Time will literally fly for her. You've got to keep an eye towards how long you've been gone. I've found it's best to build her excitement up when you're alone and then cut it short by MAKING her go back to her friends.
8) Be sexual with body language, tonality, and eye contact. One of the most successful sexual moves I've ever done with women is to be silent for a few seconds, think about what I'm going to do to her later (your eyes will naturally sparkle with that 'I want to have sex with you' look), and look her in her eyes. When she says "what?" (they always do because they're curious of the shiny new object that is you), you should smile, and break eye contact to the side. DON'T TELL HER WHAT YOU WERE THINKING! But, be sure to imply that what you were thinking was totally and utterly inappropriate and SEXUAL. This will raise her buying temperature and it will give you something to whisper in her ear when you've got her back at your/her place.
9) Tell her that the two of you should get out of here. She'll ask to where. Don't say your place or her place. Say, something like "let's get breakfast" or "let's go across the street and get a drink." If you get her out of that venue to another, you're chances of an SNL increase substantially. If she agrees to leave, MAKE SURE SHE TELLS HER FRIENDS. This is important because if you pass this test, i.e. they let her go with you, then when it's time to take her home you'll be very likely to pass that test as well. Again, your bounce has to be platonic and needs to be something the WHOLE GROUP can attend. Sometimes you have to take everyone, which is fine because if you do then you've just become the alpha male in under 2 hours. Can someone say DHV?
10) If she invites you back to her place or over to yours don't get sexual, this is her final test. I usually say something like:
"Only if you have Monopoly 'cause I love that game!"
"K, I have a hookah...we can smoke it. Yummy!"
"Ok, but we're not going to have sex! I'm not a piece of meat you know!"
11) Then, MAKE her go say goodbye to her friends (if she hasn't already). You need to come as well because they're your friends too remember?
12) Once we get to the car is when I really unleash the vibe. I almost always have a quick make out session with them. It subcommunicates that you've been respectful up to this point by not ravaging her in front of the world, also it implies that you can't wait any longer. Chicks love, love this. Also, on the drive I always put my hand on their leg and my hand always ends up in her crotch...unless of course you're getting road head.
13) If she can't leave with you, don't fret! Get the number, say goodbye, don't press her in anyway, tell her friends goodbye, and leave like a good sport. More often than not, she'll either call or text you to come over. This way NO ONE knows she's a little whore. DON'T TEXT OR CALL HER! She's got to contact you, it's got to be her idea. Otherwise, treat the number close the same way you would any other number close.
A word on Lone Wolves
Lone Wolf SNLs are so much easier because she doesn't feel the need to hide the fact that she's going home with you. So, you can be direct with them. Don't say shit like "I'm gonna fuck you" or "I wanna take you home" I've found that women get creeped out by that sort of thing. You can say "let's go." Then take her hand and lead her out. Usually, I bounce to another venue then I bounce to my/her place. I've pulled Lone Wolves into an SNL in 30 minutes where as a 3 set takes all night.
A lot of this stuff is rehashed from guru's and what not but a lot of it I had to learn on my own. I think in short the formula goes like this:
Wait for her to tell you her logistics
Don't press for the SNL
Don't worry about the number close
Be-friend the group
Don't steal her from her friends, even if she wants to be stolen
Bounce to another venue
Act completely and totally disinterested in sex via your verbal communication, but communicate sexuality through body language, tonality, and eye contact
- Guest
by Guest » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:10 am
[quote1217002169=Bull Run]
[quote1216995249=Tribulus1000]I like girls who say "You better call me." Do you guys get this? Do you think its legit?[/quote1216995249]
I don't know how many SNLs you've had, but it has nothing to do with sex. Nothing. Sure, you have to be sexual but you need to exude that with body language, tonality, and eye contact. You can't ever talk about it. You can't ever ask them to come over. Once you do ask or angle towards going home together, with verbal cues, then she's going to freeze up on you. She's going to think that all you want is sex. For sure that may be what she wants as well, but she's not going to give it to you if you make her think that all you want is to fuck her.
Without putting concrete numbers to it, I've had A LOT of SNLs. I know a lot of the guys on here have as well. When I look back on my successful SNLs versus those that could have happened but didn't a couple of trends begin to emerge.
When I'm successful this is how it usually breaks down:
1) A viable SNL will tell you who's she with, her relation to her (i.e. friend, sister, etc.), how she got to the venue (i.e. did she drive herself, come with her friends, take a cab, etc.), and where she lives, or for out of towners where she's staying. You should never have to ask for these things, if she's thinking about having sex with you she's going to tell you these facts so you can be smooth enough to work around her situation without arousing too much suspicion or attention. In other words, by her telling you this she is asking you to figure out a way to get her home without letting the world know that she's going home with a guy she just met.
2) I never, ever, ever, ever tell her that I want to take her home or invite her to my place until very, very late in the interaction (if at all). I never ask. I'm never that direct. I've found that when I do get that direct, I start getting creepy, she starts feeling like a whore, and all is pretty much lost for the SNL. A number/kiss close is always possible and usually occurs but the likelihood of her flaking increases substantially.
3) If you haven't kiss closed her, you will not SNL her. Kiss close first. Don't bother number closing until you either leave with her or you leave the set. Seems like an odd order of operations but you're in the moment, getting the number implies that you're thinking ahead to the next time you 'hang out.' This subcommunicates that you like her enough to see her again. Remember she's a complete stranger, so why would YOU want to hang out with someone that's a complete stranger? It implies that you are so devoid of options that a someone you just met will do. So....
4) Get to know her. If you've gotten all the signs, read step 1. Then you are going to have to commit to this set. You can come and go, but you can't stay gone for long. Bulldog your way through. Become part of the group. Which brings us to...
5) Diffuse any and all obstacles. Most of my SNLs break into various phases and in the initial phase I spend about 80% of my time talking to her friend(s). They've got to get to know me, I've got to become part of the group, their newest friend. Since I'm talking to her friends, I have to communicate with the target using non-verbal cues. So, I use my body language to keep her close and let her know I'm interested, i.e. I touch the small of her back, rub her leg under the table, shoot a wink and a smile to her from time to time, etc. In virtually every SNL I've ever had, the friends ALWAYS liked me and ALWAYS said so. Once I'm accepted, this is when...
6) I isolate the target to someplace quiet so you can actually carry on a real conversation. Don't monopolize her time though. You have to be respectful of the fact that she's with her friends and they came to see her. If you steal her, they're going to steal her back. So, isolate for short periods of time. If you have not done so yet, this is the time to kiss close her. Remember she's still anonymous to you because you still haven't number closed. Just get the number out of your head until the end, it literally is the last step in the process.
7) Bring her back to the group. Then bounce again. You should run about 3 to 1. For every 3 minutes in group, steal her for 1. Anything more than that and it's going to seem awkward. Also, you have to be in charge of this. She's probably going to loose track of time when you're alone with her, she see her friends all the time but you're new and exciting so she's going to forget about them. Time will literally fly for her. You've got to keep an eye towards how long you've been gone. I've found it's best to build her excitement up when you're alone and then cut it short by MAKING her go back to her friends.
8) Be sexual with body language, tonality, and eye contact. One of the most successful sexual moves I've ever done with women is to be silent for a few seconds, think about what I'm going to do to her later (your eyes will naturally sparkle with that 'I want to have sex with you' look), and look her in her eyes. When she says "what?" (they always do because they're curious of the shiny new object that is you), you should smile, and break eye contact to the side. DON'T TELL HER WHAT YOU WERE THINKING! But, be sure to imply that what you were thinking was totally and utterly inappropriate and SEXUAL. This will raise her buying temperature and it will give you something to whisper in her ear when you've got her back at your/her place.
9) Tell her that the two of you should get out of here. She'll ask to where. Don't say your place or her place. Say, something like "let's get breakfast" or "let's go across the street and get a drink." If you get her out of that venue to another, you're chances of an SNL increase substantially. If she agrees to leave, MAKE SURE SHE TELLS HER FRIENDS. This is important because if you pass this test, i.e. they let her go with you, then when it's time to take her home you'll be very likely to pass that test as well. Again, your bounce has to be platonic and needs to be something the WHOLE GROUP can attend. Sometimes you have to take everyone, which is fine because if you do then you've just become the alpha male in under 2 hours. Can someone say DHV?
10) If she invites you back to her place or over to yours don't get sexual, this is her final test. I usually say something like:
"Only if you have Monopoly 'cause I love that game!"
"K, I have a hookah...we can smoke it. Yummy!"
"Ok, but we're not going to have sex! I'm not a piece of meat you know!"
11) Then, MAKE her go say goodbye to her friends (if she hasn't already). You need to come as well because they're your friends too remember?
12) Once we get to the car is when I really unleash the vibe. I almost always have a quick make out session with them. It subcommunicates that you've been respectful up to this point by not ravaging her in front of the world, also it implies that you can't wait any longer. Chicks love, love this. Also, on the drive I always put my hand on their leg and my hand always ends up in her crotch...unless of course you're getting road head.
13) If she can't leave with you, don't fret! Get the number, say goodbye, don't press her in anyway, tell her friends goodbye, and leave like a good sport. More often than not, she'll either call or text you to come over. This way NO ONE knows she's a little whore. DON'T TEXT OR CALL HER! She's got to contact you, it's got to be her idea. Otherwise, treat the number close the same way you would any other number close.
A word on Lone Wolves
Lone Wolf SNLs are so much easier because she doesn't feel the need to hide the fact that she's going home with you. So, you can be direct with them. Don't say shit like "I'm gonna fuck you" or "I wanna take you home" I've found that women get creeped out by that sort of thing. You can say "let's go." Then take her hand and lead her out. Usually, I bounce to another venue then I bounce to my/her place. I've pulled Lone Wolves into an SNL in 30 minutes where as a 3 set takes all night.
A lot of this stuff is rehashed from guru's and what not but a lot of it I had to learn on my own. I think in short the formula goes like this:
Wait for her to tell you her logistics
Don't press for the SNL
Don't worry about the number close
Be-friend the group
Don't steal her from her friends, even if she wants to be stolen
Bounce to another venue
Act completely and totally disinterested in sex via your verbal communication, but communicate sexuality through body language, tonality, and eye contact
[/quote1217002169]
I nominate for best of. I rarely read long posts, but that was a really good one.
[quote1216995249=Tribulus1000]I like girls who say "You better call me." Do you guys get this? Do you think its legit?[/quote1216995249]
I don't know how many SNLs you've had, but it has nothing to do with sex. Nothing. Sure, you have to be sexual but you need to exude that with body language, tonality, and eye contact. You can't ever talk about it. You can't ever ask them to come over. Once you do ask or angle towards going home together, with verbal cues, then she's going to freeze up on you. She's going to think that all you want is sex. For sure that may be what she wants as well, but she's not going to give it to you if you make her think that all you want is to fuck her.
Without putting concrete numbers to it, I've had A LOT of SNLs. I know a lot of the guys on here have as well. When I look back on my successful SNLs versus those that could have happened but didn't a couple of trends begin to emerge.
When I'm successful this is how it usually breaks down:
1) A viable SNL will tell you who's she with, her relation to her (i.e. friend, sister, etc.), how she got to the venue (i.e. did she drive herself, come with her friends, take a cab, etc.), and where she lives, or for out of towners where she's staying. You should never have to ask for these things, if she's thinking about having sex with you she's going to tell you these facts so you can be smooth enough to work around her situation without arousing too much suspicion or attention. In other words, by her telling you this she is asking you to figure out a way to get her home without letting the world know that she's going home with a guy she just met.
2) I never, ever, ever, ever tell her that I want to take her home or invite her to my place until very, very late in the interaction (if at all). I never ask. I'm never that direct. I've found that when I do get that direct, I start getting creepy, she starts feeling like a whore, and all is pretty much lost for the SNL. A number/kiss close is always possible and usually occurs but the likelihood of her flaking increases substantially.
3) If you haven't kiss closed her, you will not SNL her. Kiss close first. Don't bother number closing until you either leave with her or you leave the set. Seems like an odd order of operations but you're in the moment, getting the number implies that you're thinking ahead to the next time you 'hang out.' This subcommunicates that you like her enough to see her again. Remember she's a complete stranger, so why would YOU want to hang out with someone that's a complete stranger? It implies that you are so devoid of options that a someone you just met will do. So....
4) Get to know her. If you've gotten all the signs, read step 1. Then you are going to have to commit to this set. You can come and go, but you can't stay gone for long. Bulldog your way through. Become part of the group. Which brings us to...
5) Diffuse any and all obstacles. Most of my SNLs break into various phases and in the initial phase I spend about 80% of my time talking to her friend(s). They've got to get to know me, I've got to become part of the group, their newest friend. Since I'm talking to her friends, I have to communicate with the target using non-verbal cues. So, I use my body language to keep her close and let her know I'm interested, i.e. I touch the small of her back, rub her leg under the table, shoot a wink and a smile to her from time to time, etc. In virtually every SNL I've ever had, the friends ALWAYS liked me and ALWAYS said so. Once I'm accepted, this is when...
6) I isolate the target to someplace quiet so you can actually carry on a real conversation. Don't monopolize her time though. You have to be respectful of the fact that she's with her friends and they came to see her. If you steal her, they're going to steal her back. So, isolate for short periods of time. If you have not done so yet, this is the time to kiss close her. Remember she's still anonymous to you because you still haven't number closed. Just get the number out of your head until the end, it literally is the last step in the process.
7) Bring her back to the group. Then bounce again. You should run about 3 to 1. For every 3 minutes in group, steal her for 1. Anything more than that and it's going to seem awkward. Also, you have to be in charge of this. She's probably going to loose track of time when you're alone with her, she see her friends all the time but you're new and exciting so she's going to forget about them. Time will literally fly for her. You've got to keep an eye towards how long you've been gone. I've found it's best to build her excitement up when you're alone and then cut it short by MAKING her go back to her friends.
8) Be sexual with body language, tonality, and eye contact. One of the most successful sexual moves I've ever done with women is to be silent for a few seconds, think about what I'm going to do to her later (your eyes will naturally sparkle with that 'I want to have sex with you' look), and look her in her eyes. When she says "what?" (they always do because they're curious of the shiny new object that is you), you should smile, and break eye contact to the side. DON'T TELL HER WHAT YOU WERE THINKING! But, be sure to imply that what you were thinking was totally and utterly inappropriate and SEXUAL. This will raise her buying temperature and it will give you something to whisper in her ear when you've got her back at your/her place.
9) Tell her that the two of you should get out of here. She'll ask to where. Don't say your place or her place. Say, something like "let's get breakfast" or "let's go across the street and get a drink." If you get her out of that venue to another, you're chances of an SNL increase substantially. If she agrees to leave, MAKE SURE SHE TELLS HER FRIENDS. This is important because if you pass this test, i.e. they let her go with you, then when it's time to take her home you'll be very likely to pass that test as well. Again, your bounce has to be platonic and needs to be something the WHOLE GROUP can attend. Sometimes you have to take everyone, which is fine because if you do then you've just become the alpha male in under 2 hours. Can someone say DHV?
10) If she invites you back to her place or over to yours don't get sexual, this is her final test. I usually say something like:
"Only if you have Monopoly 'cause I love that game!"
"K, I have a hookah...we can smoke it. Yummy!"
"Ok, but we're not going to have sex! I'm not a piece of meat you know!"
11) Then, MAKE her go say goodbye to her friends (if she hasn't already). You need to come as well because they're your friends too remember?
12) Once we get to the car is when I really unleash the vibe. I almost always have a quick make out session with them. It subcommunicates that you've been respectful up to this point by not ravaging her in front of the world, also it implies that you can't wait any longer. Chicks love, love this. Also, on the drive I always put my hand on their leg and my hand always ends up in her crotch...unless of course you're getting road head.
13) If she can't leave with you, don't fret! Get the number, say goodbye, don't press her in anyway, tell her friends goodbye, and leave like a good sport. More often than not, she'll either call or text you to come over. This way NO ONE knows she's a little whore. DON'T TEXT OR CALL HER! She's got to contact you, it's got to be her idea. Otherwise, treat the number close the same way you would any other number close.
A word on Lone Wolves
Lone Wolf SNLs are so much easier because she doesn't feel the need to hide the fact that she's going home with you. So, you can be direct with them. Don't say shit like "I'm gonna fuck you" or "I wanna take you home" I've found that women get creeped out by that sort of thing. You can say "let's go." Then take her hand and lead her out. Usually, I bounce to another venue then I bounce to my/her place. I've pulled Lone Wolves into an SNL in 30 minutes where as a 3 set takes all night.
A lot of this stuff is rehashed from guru's and what not but a lot of it I had to learn on my own. I think in short the formula goes like this:
Wait for her to tell you her logistics
Don't press for the SNL
Don't worry about the number close
Be-friend the group
Don't steal her from her friends, even if she wants to be stolen
Bounce to another venue
Act completely and totally disinterested in sex via your verbal communication, but communicate sexuality through body language, tonality, and eye contact
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I nominate for best of. I rarely read long posts, but that was a really good one.
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by Guest » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:54 pm
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[quote1216995249=Tribulus1000]I like girls who say "You better call me." Do you guys get this? Do you think its legit?[/quote1216995249]
3) If you haven't kiss closed her, you will not SNL her. Kiss close first. Don't bother number closing until you either leave with her or you leave the set. Seems like an odd order of operations but you're in the moment, getting the number implies that you're thinking ahead to the next time you 'hang out.' This subcommunicates that you like her enough to see her again. Remember she's a complete stranger, so why would YOU want to hang out with someone that's a complete stranger? It implies that you are so devoid of options that a someone you just met will do. So....
8) Be sexual with body language, tonality, and eye contact. One of the most successful sexual moves I've ever done with women is to be silent for a few seconds, think about what I'm going to do to her later (your eyes will naturally sparkle with that 'I want to have sex with you' look), and look her in her eyes. When she says "what?" (they always do because they're curious of the shiny new object that is you), you should smile, and break eye contact to the side. DON'T TELL HER WHAT YOU WERE THINKING! But, be sure to imply that what you were thinking was totally and utterly inappropriate and SEXUAL. This will raise her buying temperature and it will give you something to whisper in her ear when you've got her back at your/her place.
9) Tell her that the two of you should get out of here. She'll ask to where. Don't say your place or her place. Say, something like "let's get breakfast" or "let's go across the street and get a drink." If you get her out of that venue to another, you're chances of an SNL increase substantially. If she agrees to leave, MAKE SURE SHE TELLS HER FRIENDS. This is important because if you pass this test, i.e. they let her go with you, then when it's time to take her home you'll be very likely to pass that test as well. Again, your bounce has to be platonic and needs to be something the WHOLE GROUP can attend. Sometimes you have to take everyone, which is fine because if you do then you've just become the alpha male in under 2 hours. Can someone say DHV?
13) If she can't leave with you, don't fret! Get the number, say goodbye, don't press her in anyway, tell her friends goodbye, and leave like a good sport. More often than not, she'll either call or text you to come over. This way NO ONE knows she's a little whore. DON'T TEXT OR CALL HER! She's got to contact you, it's got to be her idea. Otherwise, treat the number close the same way you would any other number close.
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#3 I have never Kclosed any of my SNL's. The kclose didn't come until either my house or my car.
#8 That was fucking money dude.
#9 I once used the line: I'm getting outta here, you should come with. She grabbed her coat and walked out the door with me and back home.
#13 I used to agree with this...well I actually agree with this about 90%. But I have had a SNL(and who knows how many BJ's) by not following this rule. So basically if you don't follow this rule you might blow yourself out...but you can always recover. Plus just get good at game and you won't put much value if any on one number.
[quote1216995249=Tribulus1000]I like girls who say "You better call me." Do you guys get this? Do you think its legit?[/quote1216995249]
3) If you haven't kiss closed her, you will not SNL her. Kiss close first. Don't bother number closing until you either leave with her or you leave the set. Seems like an odd order of operations but you're in the moment, getting the number implies that you're thinking ahead to the next time you 'hang out.' This subcommunicates that you like her enough to see her again. Remember she's a complete stranger, so why would YOU want to hang out with someone that's a complete stranger? It implies that you are so devoid of options that a someone you just met will do. So....
8) Be sexual with body language, tonality, and eye contact. One of the most successful sexual moves I've ever done with women is to be silent for a few seconds, think about what I'm going to do to her later (your eyes will naturally sparkle with that 'I want to have sex with you' look), and look her in her eyes. When she says "what?" (they always do because they're curious of the shiny new object that is you), you should smile, and break eye contact to the side. DON'T TELL HER WHAT YOU WERE THINKING! But, be sure to imply that what you were thinking was totally and utterly inappropriate and SEXUAL. This will raise her buying temperature and it will give you something to whisper in her ear when you've got her back at your/her place.
9) Tell her that the two of you should get out of here. She'll ask to where. Don't say your place or her place. Say, something like "let's get breakfast" or "let's go across the street and get a drink." If you get her out of that venue to another, you're chances of an SNL increase substantially. If she agrees to leave, MAKE SURE SHE TELLS HER FRIENDS. This is important because if you pass this test, i.e. they let her go with you, then when it's time to take her home you'll be very likely to pass that test as well. Again, your bounce has to be platonic and needs to be something the WHOLE GROUP can attend. Sometimes you have to take everyone, which is fine because if you do then you've just become the alpha male in under 2 hours. Can someone say DHV?
13) If she can't leave with you, don't fret! Get the number, say goodbye, don't press her in anyway, tell her friends goodbye, and leave like a good sport. More often than not, she'll either call or text you to come over. This way NO ONE knows she's a little whore. DON'T TEXT OR CALL HER! She's got to contact you, it's got to be her idea. Otherwise, treat the number close the same way you would any other number close.
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#3 I have never Kclosed any of my SNL's. The kclose didn't come until either my house or my car.
#8 That was fucking money dude.
#9 I once used the line: I'm getting outta here, you should come with. She grabbed her coat and walked out the door with me and back home.
#13 I used to agree with this...well I actually agree with this about 90%. But I have had a SNL(and who knows how many BJ's) by not following this rule. So basically if you don't follow this rule you might blow yourself out...but you can always recover. Plus just get good at game and you won't put much value if any on one number.
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by Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:24 pm
Update: 8/2/08.
I called her out of the blue on Saturday afternoon. She called me back. She wants to get together on Monday.
I said "sorry if I embarrassed you the other night." She said "Its ok. You were ready to go and I was a little drunk".
Sounds good so far. She's a teacher and she said she had the next couple of weeks open. Cool I bet we can find some ways to fill it up but I didn't say that :)
T
I called her out of the blue on Saturday afternoon. She called me back. She wants to get together on Monday.
I said "sorry if I embarrassed you the other night." She said "Its ok. You were ready to go and I was a little drunk".
Sounds good so far. She's a teacher and she said she had the next couple of weeks open. Cool I bet we can find some ways to fill it up but I didn't say that :)
T
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