Mystery Method, Direct game, etc?

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This is going to be stream-of-consciousness style. tl;dr!! anyways here goes.

I've recently realized that I have a tendency to try to be "overalpha" meaning that in interactions I'll usually overdo the whole dominance/asshole/not-caring-about-what-she-thinks thing. What I've found is that, although in the very beginning the girl is receptive and throwing IOIs around, it quickly turns into non-compliance and the interaction fucks up. Not good. Part of this is due to the Mystery Method's emphasis on active disinterest, which I take too far and don't seem to stop.

I've also realized that sometimes I act very normal, or just say "hi" without trying to run any game or material at all. I feel very AFC to be honest. Yet in many of these cases it turns out that the girl becomes if not attracted then at least mildly interested. It's weird, it's almost like wait wtf, you're not SUPPOSED to be attracted to me yet, I didn't do anything. Wait for the good stuff dammit. But it does happen quite a lot.

In fact, my best successes so far have come from me not trying to run analytical Mystery Method algorithmic game at all. In fact I remember years ago right after I read DYD I went around and asked "who lies more" without rooting or time constraints (it was the only "material" I knew) and I did very well just being in the moment.

So I'm ditching Mystery Method for a while. The Mystery Method starts with fake disinterest, and pretending you don't want to get in her pants at first in order to differentiate you from other guys and to raise your value in relation to hers. I've had decent success using MM, especially in larger mixed sets, but it always feels very inauthentic. I feel the need to stick to the MM algorithms and can't focus on enjoying the interaction. Instead, I'm focused with handling obstacles, escalating, spitting material, kino escalation, etc - hell, I'm sure it's effective but I'm looking for something better.

See, I now realize that I don't need to pretend I'm not interested in women to have a higher value than them... because I know I actually do! It was rather an epiphany to realize by using the Mystery Method seduction frame I was subconsciously reaffirming to myself that I am just pretending to be high value, when, in reality, I am high value and don't even know it!

Forget routines and negs and other techniques that "demonstrate" how much of a high-value person I am. Instead, I'll be trying to have fun and make whoever I'm interacting with also have fun. If I'm interested in a girl, I won't hide behind a thinly-veiled opinion opener in order to start up a conversation. If I get shot down more because of it, so much for the better - rejection is something that I need as much as possible of.

In any case, I've come to realize that even if you're using an opinion opener, the girls know what's up. At least they always do in my case. They know I'm not really trying to find a new hairstyle, find out who lies more, or have a deep conversation about different kinds of corn. They know I'm chatting them up, and many of them play along. But I wonder... could perhaps a simple "hi" suffice instead?

Last weekend I went to Razzoo's with a friend. Before leaving I walked over to the host and asked her "Hey, quick question. Are you single?" We had a quick 10-minute conversation, nothing came from it, I didn't try to number close or anything, but [b]I felt really great[/b]. It just seemed so much more [i]authentic[/i], you know?

I'll be experimenting with this. For larger groups I think I'll stick with Mystery Method, but with 1- and 2-sets and day game I think I'm ready for something new.

Thoughts are greatly appreciated!

[Guest]

In my opinion, what you need now a days is a nice healthy mixture of lots of different methodologies. You need to be agile to the situation, but you also need a basic framework to go off of.

Mystery Method is an excellent [b]FRAMEWORK[/b] to build your game off of for the most part. It incorporates the many different aspects of social interaction. That being said, running strict MM will get you blown out a lot. Now, mix in some of your C/F material...switch up your social proofing methods by taking a page or two from AdamLondon or Juggler...actually achieve your alpha male persona (instead of faking it, which you kinda get with MM) from David D. or Deida...Hell...you can even sprinkle in some of the regurgitated material from RSD if that suits your fancy.

VOILA. You'll have more than enough tools to get the job done, no matter the situation. The days of, "Who lies more...girls or guys?" is gone. You can thank mainstreaming this craft for that.

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yeah I think smirk basically said the fact. I tried to only use one guru's techniques/methods in one whole interaction. To be honest, it never went anywhere. Results were bad. But when I combined all the techniques/methods I knew, it actually worked and I was getting further away.
Mix up techniques and throw some originality, too. While using all the techniques and methods u've learned. Show her a little bit of ur personality and who you are. It will never hurt.

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Interesting. Ya, I'm planning on expressing a lot more of my own true personality, because it's at the point where it's strong enough to do decently. @Smirks, I was always loathe to read a bunch of material in lieu of actually being in the field, but it may seem like I need to study a bit more hah.

[Guest]

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They know I'm chatting them up, and many of them play along. But I wonder... could perhaps a simple "hi" suffice instead?

Thoughts are greatly appreciated!
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I will throw my ante into the pot and take a stab at this.

The short answer is Yes...the long answer is maybe. I believe this depends on so many different things. For example if you are a really high value good looking guy then yeah you can pretty much say anything as long as you don't sound like a tool. As long as your value in relation to hers is higher then you are fine. See you might run into super bitch who thinks she is all that and a bag of chips. This might not work on her. In fact the strongest game in the world might not work on her.

As far as direct or indirect just like Smirks says mix it up. There is a time and place for either you need to figure out which is right for whatever situation. I'm gonna say indirect will open the door a little more for you. It will get you into the set a little easier. After the opener many sets should run somewhat similar. At the very least you will use the same skills during both.

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going direct is fucking gay. I'm getting to the point now where going direct, is actually running natural game.

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going direct is fucking gay. I'm getting to the point now where going direct, is actually running natural game.
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ha you're losing it man. :) wtf is this incoherent shit?