Beyond Pick-up - How to manage relationships.

[Welsh_Dragon]

Does no-one here read mASF? They have a relationships forum and it's pretty good if you take the time.

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/

Relationship and PUA skills do have a lot in common as is to be expected. Both ultimately endeavour to build value (potential/perceivated in the PUA arena, actual in the relationship arena) and make a woman feel safe so she can covertly initiate the sex she wants. You can fuck her brains out any time you like if you do those things for her and she will never cheat on you (why should she? It would not be a smart genetic decision). Women only cheat if they feel unsafe. Ironically their not feeling safe can lead to not enough sex for them so they look elsewhere. Guide her to be a nympho and she will love you forever.

[jast]

I am no guro on this subject at all but I have found the 2 points below to be true in my life.

1 You always have to be the one with more power, it can never be 50/50. If the woman ever gets more power in the relationship and it stays that way for long it's over. She has to know/think you can do better then her anytime you want and she is lucky to have you.

2 You have to have principles and not be willing to break them for any one not even her. If you start breaking you principles for her then you are wussy. If you stay strong to your principles she may get pissed at the moment but they usually say they are sorry later on.

In my past relationships any time I wuss out on my principles of I start liking the girl more then she does me the relationship ends. I am sure there is more to it but I found the above to be true in my life.

[TheScientist]

I'm just starting to work on this now. The woman I was with this weekend did a really good job of setting things up. We were making out at the club and were leaving for her house. I told her that people in the club probably thought we were married, but we had to get a divorce now since married people don't have sex. She said "I'll never get married again, I don't even want a boyfriend" and gave me the bedroom stare down when she said "but you're a lot of fun."

That's setting expectations and being clear upfront. My judgment is that some of us think we would sound like dicks and chicks would run away if we talked like her (I think that sometimes), but there's one who wouldn't. My friend went home with her friend and she was the same way. I guarantee you that my problems with this have been about post-fuck behavior, I could have had the SDL and at least one more hookup in each case being more clear upfront.

I would be willing to bet that a majority of the guys on this board will fuck a girl on the rag, but you think she's a selfish bitch if she doesn't tell you early. That's what I'm talking about: setting expectations.

[Guest]

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[quote="Scoundrel"]I study PU as a method actor would.[/quote]

Once again, Scoundrel, you have crystalized my thoughts eloquently. This is exactly my approach as well. There's an alpha male in each one of us. There's scientific evidence to suggest that, with some studies showing that certain beta fish convert to alpha when the alphas are removed.
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Anyone know where I can find this study about the alpha and beta fish?

[Guest]

CR James has some good materials.
Like "Why Housewife Cheat?".

You can also try some christian stuff like "Love, Sex and Long Lasting Relationship" by Chip Ingram.
But I have to warn you... PUA material on attraction and framing and Push/Pull method are better way of maintaining a relationship.

Don't solve all the problems... David D'Angelo...
There will always be conflict... allow the little ones to get by and practice handling together before the big problems. or let her handle it.

[Guest]

++++If you find yourself in a relationship with alot of fights, chances are you aren't "supportive" enough for her and the fights stem around you "not caring" anymore. You are now too "Alpha" for her and she wants you to be more beta. However, this is where it gets tricky. If you become too Beta, then you may not even be able to know when that has happened until she has already cheated on you and it's too late.++++

It's a very fine line, isn't it? Same with being too aloof vs to nice early on in the relationship, when she's still figuring out if she'd want to have you as a boyfriend. What I've found is, with the 20-something women, they won't tolerate any niceness at all. If you are even the slightest bit nice, they dump you. The 30-something women, on the other hand...you can be a lot nicer to them. I think it all boils down to their beauty. The hotter they are, the more options they have.

So marry an ug and don't worry? My neighbor across the street, she's hideous. But she cheated on her husband...with their pastor! So that plan won't work either.

I really think I'd like to have a serious relationship, an exclusive relationship, with a woman. After playing around for a year and a half since the divorce, I really wouldn't mind the thought of a serious girlfriend. The problem is, I don't think I can ever trust a woman again. I mean, one of my best friends bedded a girl he met at a wedding...she was getting married to another guy in 90 days. The date was already set. Invitations were being picked out, etc. But she fucked some random guy anyway. Don't you think the poor guy she's married to TOTALLY trusted her to go away for a night to attend a cousin's wedding? If you can't trust women to do that, you simply can't trust them.

[Guest]

No offense but you guys seriously need to get over the shit that women have put you through. I understand why some of you feel the way you do about women, I mean I've heard some fucking horror stories about how a lot of men have been totally destroyed by women. But, I think in almost all cases it's just as much the man's fault as it is the woman's. If you give anyone enough slack, put them on a pedastal, and give them too much credit they are going to fuck you. Period, end of story. Man or woman, young or old, doesn't matter. If you aren't strong enough to set expectations, make demands, and remain firm in your convictions then you are toast. Your chick will fuck around on you, treat you like, etc. if she doesn't respect you.

It's odd, but I look at it like my father. I didn't know him very well, but I sure as hell had a healthy fear of him. He put in me in my place when I needed it and lifted me up when appropriate. That's how you treat women. You almost have to be a father figure. Lead her and she will follow. Demand things of her and she will deliver. Remain committed to your believes, convictions, goals, etc and she will respect you. If she respects you, she will never have any desire to be with anyone else.

[Guest]

Yeah Respect issues....