Favorite Opener?

[flash07]

Hey yall its me again,
i just wanted to hear what some of yalls favorite openers is?
I recently went out of town with a few friends and we used the
"my friends got this girl at home who has cheated on him twice and a girl here who likes him what should he do?" It was gold and worked every single time.

[Vector]

I'm bad when it comes to taking my own advice. I tell people to use the same openers all the time because you'll get used to delivering them and you'll learn all the contingencies.

I used to run Jealous Girlfriend all the time but I get so bored of it, and girls would always assume I was talking about myself. I've been thinking of trying a modified version where my friend Christine is dating a guy who is friends with his ex.

Since I got tired of Jealous Girlfriend I've been doing just random stuff. Sometimes these are questions I'm actually curious to know the answers to.

• What's the deal with Dallas girls? Are you a typical Dallas girl?
• Is this place always so busy/empty (lame, i know)
• What's a good (insert day of the week) place? Ties to the previous opener sometimes.
• Hey you look cute, I came over to see if you are fun

For mixed sets I almost always go back to Who Lies More, or Jealous Girlfriend, because they are so highly girl-relevant that the girl(s) are guaranteed to butt into the conversation I'm supposedly trying to have with the guys. The geometry has to be right for this to work. I have to be talking physically past the girl I want to engage me, so she can't pretend not to hear me. If I address a guy standing right next to me, the girl will tune out, even if I am super loud and I know for sure she can hear me. This happened to me numerous times before I realized how important the physical arrangement is.

[Rhody]

My friend told me to just always use "who lies more." So I used that a lot. I thought eventually someone would call me on it as being an old and used-up opener, but nobody ever has.

A few times I tried one that's great in mixed sets about my friend who talked his girlfriend into getting breast enhancement surgery and she wants him to pay for it. (Don't over use it on me!)

I tried the two-part kiss test and ran into the same problem Vector had: the girl almost always thought I was talking about my girlfriend. It's a terrible shit test because even if you agree, you're saying that your girlfriend is out kissing all sorts of men... and women! Maybe it was something I was subcommunicating.

I also like the "typical Dallas girl" opener. It issues a challenge right away. Pure gold.

[flash07]

yeah my buddy ran the who lies more. i found that an opener like what we started using even if the girl ignores her i would phyically tap her on the shoulder and say something to the extent you seem like you know your stuff... you seem like you talk alot (slip the neg in) and engage her that way while keeping the males talking

[Welsh_Dragon]

Vector,

I saw you go through this transition first hand and it is so funny now how you can spell it out in black and white. Thinking back I often used the physical arangement theory you mention but it never occurred to me

Don't you ever wonder, as I sometimes do, how the girls in these situations don't spot our (usually low quality in my case) covert attempts to attract them? I would often chuckle in my head at how easy they make it.

By the way, for typical Dallas girl opener.... you are all welcome.

[Vector]

Yeah, props to WD, he came up with the Dallas girl opener and he and I ran it a half dozen times in one night.

I used it last night, but it was a little different. There was a decent 2-set, maybe a 7 and an 8.5. The place was mostly empty, and El Fenix and I (and another random guy) had been standing within view, maybe 20 feet away for a few minutes. So it was impossible to be "on the way to the bathroom" or something and "spontaneously notice" and ask for an opinion.

So I walked over, stopped, faced directly toward them, and said "Hey" really loud, to get their attention. "Are y'all from dallas?" One of them says yes. I point to the other one and ask, "how about you?" She says yes also. I say okay and walk back to El Fenix.

I talk to El Fenix and Guy for about 15 seconds, maybe 30, using (i think) more animated gestures and body languge than normal. Then I walk back over to 2-set and explain, "see, my friend is not from here and I'm trying to describe to him the stereotype of the typical Dallas girl. Do you know what I'm talking about? Are you one of those typical Dallas girls?"

Less than a minute later, he comes over. We're in, no problem.

Actually I think in this case they were both "Dallas girls". The smarter, more attractive one denied it. The other one was so dumb, she didn't even know what we were talking about.


One more thing about talking past a girl to get her to open me. The guy doesn't necessarily have to be part of the same group as my target. I've only tried it once on a guy from a different group, but it did work.

[TheDoGhoUse]

The typical dallas girl topic is a very good technique to use. I have used it previous times before but I have never tried it as an opener. I have always used sometime in a conversation after I have already opened so it will work in a variety of ways.

[Mojo]

This is an excellent thread!

One of my more fun openers is a situational. I can't recall where I heard it,but it is fun to do! The situation must be as follows:

HB surrounded by 4 or more AFC's. They have to be beta AFCs and not Alpha. She will be the center of attention, especially if she is sitting in a stool while the AFC's stand, facing her.

Mojo: Ha! You are such the pimp!
HB: Whah?
Mojo: Look at you. You have these 6 guys standing around you hanging on your every word. You are obviously the leader here. You are so pimp.

Here I am subcommunicating the AFC's are beta, lowering their value, while pumping up mine as I am now the center of attention. Also, having the confidence to go in directly ups my value even further. And, of course, she is no longer the center of attention. From this point you can take it in several directions depending on how Beta the guys are. If some are possible alpha, engage them, otherwise you can totally ignore them as you game the girl directly. If gaming the girl directly, hold out your hand, as she takes it, lisft her out of the seat and steal it! From this power position it is on...

[H_Raja]

Hi my name is ____.

Or some situational opener based on something she is wearing or something around her.

Eye contact more important than opener.

[Tribulus1000]

I liked that one Mojo did where he pretend to know some girl and she's like "No." And he's like "Yes".

That one is particularly good. Its reminiscent of Mystery's pointing thing.

That "No" "Yes" thing could be followed up with "Wow! We're not even married and we've had our first fight. Glad we got that outta the way!"

My buddy Captain Jack had a good set of openers he calls low Invest ment openers or something like that. (His Clown Grin is genius as well).

Basically you just make a comment based on the environment like "Who sings this?"

The "Who sings this?" Opener works equally in Daygame as well.

"How tall are you?"(Credit: Mystery) is good. You can give here the up and down look.

"What are you singing tonight?" If its kareoke night.

Here's his blog: http://www.captainjackpua.blogspot.com/

I like "Were you listening in on our conversation?" ...followup "Why do you look so nervous?" This is Cocky&Funny said with a straight face.