Getting over FIRST IMPRESSION

[Guest]

Guess when i say physical appearance i kinda mean things that you can't change about yourself. Like height, nose, ethnicity, or age. Guess you didn't get that. I didn't say i was going around stinking of BO, wondering why i can't get any girls. The way you say it i should just stick to Asian girls. Cause i know most white chicks don't find Asians attractive so why hit on them. Well i'm a believer that "It Doesn't take a nice Car, Doesn't take lots of money, and it doesn't take looks. All it takes is me."

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The premise of the Community is that even average guys can pick-up women
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So i guess if your ugle you minus well give up.

Don't get me wrong i understand what you are saying. Since i been in the community i have been dressing up, working out and everything. But i wont stop hitting on a women cause im not her "type".

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I don't think women have this same level of flexibility.
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I have seen hot girls with butt ugly guys before. But have you seen the reverse???? I don't think i ever seen like a GQ model dating the fat ugly girl.

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I try to neg whenever i can, disqualify her, and a lot of comfort building with little games and stuff.
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You try to neg whenever you can? Chances are she's never been with an Asian before. You are already disqualified to begin with. There is no need to disqualify yourself further with negs.

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I never said you should stop hitting on chicks, you never know what type they're into until you actually find out.

[quote1210342330=elitetran54]I have seen hot girls with butt ugly guys before. But have you seen the reverse???? I don't think i ever seen like a GQ model dating the fat ugly girl.[/quote1210342330]

You totally missed my point my friend. I've seen both a hot chick with an ugly guy AND an ugly girl with a hot guy...it works both ways, albeit more frequently the former rather than the latter.

For women, I don't think the level of looks is nearly as important as type. A woman will date a fucking ugly guy as long as he fits her type, she will also date a really hot guy as long as he fits her type. And, who's to say that these hotties with hideous beasts don't think their beast is attractive? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

This isn't a hard and fast rule. Girls will stray from their type from time to time, I think it's rare but it does happen.

If you don't believe that looks can be an asset with some sets, making Gaming easier, or a liability with some sets, making Gaming harder, then you're simply being naive. To think that looks don't matter at all is simply ridiculous.

Finally, stating that looks don't matter is one of PU's biggest selling points. I think a better statement should be that your looks shouldn't stop you from being fun, engaging, social and her looks shouldn't be a source of intimidation because you are a cool guy and you know it...regardless of how you look.

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[quote1210358282=Bull Run]I've seen ... an ugly girl with a hot guy....[/quote1210358282]
You saw her? Oops, I was hoping she would remain my little secret.


But seriously, I think it comes down entirely to her having preconceived expectations, and how quickly you can break them. It's not just for looks but for everything. For instance on an approach, she's may expect that you're going to try to get her to like you. She feels like she already knows what's going to happen, and she is not interested. A slight neg violates her expectation and demonstrates that you're not trying to gain her approval. It breaks you out of the mold she had put you in.

It's the same way, when you look at a hot blonde, dressed a certain way, carrying herself a certain way, and you expect her to behave a certain way. People form expectations. It's a fact of life.

You do not HAVE to look a certain way to game certain girls, but it certainly does help. BUT I think it ONLY means you don't have to break as many of the negative preconceived expectations. If you look like what she thinks is her "type" then you can sorta coast... and she can get to know your character, which is what matters. If you don't look like her "type", then you have to do something extra before you can get to the point where she has an opportunity to get to know you.

If you think she's going to have negative expectations, try to figure out what they are specifically (not just "being asian") and figure out how to defy those expectations. For me, age is something that always comes up, and I have a little routine so that when it does, I can knock it out of the park.

You should ALSO do whatever you can to make the pre-judged expectations as positive as possible, because it gives you fewer negative images to have to break down. A LOT of stuff in game could be put into this category, such as having a girl with you, dressing nice, looking like you're having a good time, etc.

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if i shave my head i will repulse more black chics than i attract normally, unavoidably coming off as a arian brotherhood member/white supremisist. my point is that certain styles attract a specific genre of females.
as our founding father abe linc states, "you can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."
as a realist, i believe that if you try to please everyone, you will likely please no one. find your style and live and love accordingly.

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i've experienced firsthand the effects of changing my look/type literally overnight. It has a PROFOUND effect on peoples perceptions of you, attraction to you, and preconceived notions of you( both good and bad) That's life, and like others mentioned, it would be naive to think otherwise. With that said, it is only 1 aspect of who you are.

Show them the complete package of who you are, and don't even worry about that. Having a strong, confident identity in who you are is attractive.

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if i shave my head i will repulse more black chics than i attract normally, unavoidably coming off as a arian brotherhood member/white supremisist. my point is that certain styles attract a specific genre of females.
as our founding father abe linc states, "you can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."
as a realist, i believe that if you try to please everyone, you will likely please no one. find your style and live and love accordingly.
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worked the opposite for me actually! Shaved my head and had more black chicks than ever... I had random everything come up to me at the club and ask to have their photos taken with me. Grow hair.. don't even get looked at. This was 06 after my surgery.. I was thin, thin, thin.. and it worked. I could actually get away with wearing super edgy stuff that I just look queer with hair.

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I recently grew lot more hair.. and it didn't work for anyone. Haha.. mid length seems to work ok..

What ethnicity do you want to go after? Honestly... honestly... your run of the mill white girl just sucks. They do not know how to treat men. I've found other cultures to be unbelievable!!

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Looks aren't nearly as important as most guys think. Girls as Bull Run and other have said are not nearly as looks centered as guys. I know a lot about this topic. I am white but I deal with this on a daily basis since to be honest with you like every girl i've ever dated I haven't really been her ideal "type."

There are some girls that just WILL NOT date certain ethnicities, or guys with certain characteristics but these girls are VERY FEW and far between. It is true that most girls have "types" that they are attracted to, but you can display attractive personality traits that can overcome almost any physical objections.

The problem here doesn't really sound like it is your ethnicity the problem here is, you are having trouble with girls judging you right when they look at you and not letting you demonstrate those desirable personality aspects.

Now this can be due to many reasons, they might just be having a bad day, might just be shallow, might seriously think they are not into Asians, or you might just be approaching really poorly. There is a lot of ways you can get through this but the truth is you probably just need to work on your approach. I think it was voltaire that said "If you give me 5 minutes to talk, I will have the queen of england in bed" (something like that) You just need to get your approaching down good enough that the girls will give you the time to prove they do want you.

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if i shave my head i will repulse more black chics than i attract normally, unavoidably coming off as a arian brotherhood member/white supremisist. my point is that certain styles attract a specific genre of females.
as our founding father abe linc states, "you can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."
as a realist, i believe that if you try to please everyone, you will likely please no one. find your style and live and love accordingly.
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worked the opposite for me actually! Shaved my head and had more black chicks than ever... I had random everything come up to me at the club and ask to have their photos taken with me. Grow hair.. don't even get looked at. This was 06 after my surgery.. I was thin, thin, thin.. and it worked. I could actually get away with wearing super edgy stuff that I just look queer with hair.


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ha...yea, i had too laugh at that blanket statement as well, but I figured it wasn't the main focus of the post so I didn't take it too literally... ;) changed everything for me...for the better.

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I've met many women who say they will not date such and such race. They also say "we aren't going to have sex tonight" so we know that women are liars. They don't do it on purpose, they might even believe it when they say it but you can change a womans mind about anything.

I would think that the bald look would net many a black bird. As far as hair goes, I have the most success with a short fohawk. Women love this look. At an old job of mine I had long hair (not hippie long, more like retro 70's show long), well one day I strolled in with a nice short fohawk and literally every woman in the building was wide-eyed, jaw-dropped, could not take their eyes off of me. I recommend the hawk to anyone.