Hey you did it for me on the Openers thread with that Abear dude just yesterday, so we're even now brother.
I like what you said here. Here's how I look at it: your girl liked what you did in that situation because you didn't fall in to her reality, you held your own and eventually she got sucked in to your reality. ALL women love this. I'd say that's probably the best DHV a man can do.
But what I would say is that it isn't limited to "being emotional or no"... in fact that's a limiting way to look at it. You knew my last LTR. Well, she was a "thinker" who loved to be right, and used to try, in the beginning, to engage in logical and smart conversations. I counteracted that by making every conversation simple and emotional.
(made up example, cause my memory is bad)
HER: Women are underpaid in the workplace. Blah blah blah...
ME: That's nice. You have cute dimples. How cute.
Doesn't seem like it would work, but it did.
So does that mean be emotional when women are unemotional and unemotional when they are emotional? Not bad, but not really spot on either. Basically be yourself and don't change it for a woman. Generic advice but that's essentially what it boils down to. Who's reality is stronger.
[QUOTE=Bull Run;40422]Grimm and Carnal:
Yes, I absolutely did see how that line could be offensive but I decided to take the high road here. I frankly didn't care if it was a shot or not. Had this been said a few months back the daggers would have come out.
@ Grimm
Great post and thanks for the support. Your video is spot on and I like your explaination. I tend to think shit tests whilest in a relationship is a biological response so that the woman feels better about her choice in a man BUT the attraction thing definitely works as well. I mean, what turns on the average woman more than a strong man?
And, it goes without saying that some women simply do not shit test at all. The vast majority do and they never, ever stop.
@ Carnal
Your posts can come off as condescending. I'm sure the same can be said for a lot of guys on here. No biggie. Move on.
And, Grimm is not my toy soldier. He's my friend and he's sticking up for me the way a friend should.
As for your query, I think you're still seeing things from the wrong perspective. You used the words 'catering to a woman's needs.' I read that and think to myself what man would 'cater' to a woman's needs? And, what are the 'needs' that we're talking about here?
Having a recession proof job caters to a woman's needs?
Owning your home caters to a woman's needs?
Not drinking or smoking caters to a woman's needs?
Really?
None of that shit really matters. Be fun, be passionate, be strong, and lead the relationship. Do those and you're fine. I don't really see a whole lot of catering there. I just see a man doing what a man does and, as a result, providing what a woman wants and needs. It starts with us, it starts with the man. Women will follow if we lead them. But, as with any follower they need to test the will of their leader from time to time. And, that's what women do they test our will so they know that they're following the right guy.
Regarding this idea that an Alpha male should be in touch with his feminine side completely and utterly defeats the purpose of being Alpha. Men are men. We do masculine things. Do we have emotions? Yes. But the thing that ultimately defines an Alpha male is that we make decisions from a rational place. We do not allow our emotions to cloud our goals or our decisions. That's what women do.
So, when I have a fight with a woman over something that is illogical or irrational. Let's say she thought I was flirting with a girl at a party, which I probably was without knowing it OR the girl was attracted to me and my girlfriend could tell, and my girlfriend gets pissed off at me. I can UNDERSTAND where she's coming from, jealousy, fear of loss, insecurity, etc. I can understand those emotions. But, I cannot respond to her based on those emotional undercurrents. Instead, this is a situation when I have to stand strong and simply say: "I wasn't flirting. I'm loyal to you. This is your issue and you need to work it out."
How will she respond? Well, in that case, my girl responded like a bee's nest after you knock it to the ground. She was supremely pissed and I just handled it with composure and let her calm down. The next day, she apologized to me for her poor actions through very hot, sex in which she willingly and gladly submitted to my every demand. After that, she told me how silly she acted and that she just got emotional and how happy she was that I stood my ground because she was wrong. A feminist would say by treating her emotional outburst as petty and stupid was me ignoring her emotions and not trying to UNDERSTAND her. Well, I did understand her (which I told her after she apologized) but I was not going to react in an emotional manner. Doing so would have meant that I was allowing myself into a more feminine frame.
It is not a man's job to try to nurture his woman and understand her feelings and treat her accordingly. Instead, it's his job to get her back on track and help her understand that he's a rock, he's the foundation, and her silly little emotions are not going to weather him.
When a man is in touch with his feminine side it simply means he's fucking his girl. That's the closest it should get.
You're right about one thing. The man is the Ying to a woman's Yang. The Ying-Yang is represented in black and white. Society tries to tell us that the Ying-Yang is defined in shades of gray, but our biology still dictates that the Ying-Yang is black and white. In my eyes, the role of a male and that of a female are clearly defined. They are compliments to each other and friction occurs when the woman transcends her role or vice versa.
The best way to keep the passion flowing is to always be a fucking MAN, even if it means she'll throw a hissy fit, as referenced above. Eventually, she'll come around AND she'll know what she did was silly AND she'll thank you for not pulling the relationship down into the mudd through petty bickering over something that meant nothing.[/QUOTE]
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Chasing
by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:27 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111;40425]
HER: Women are underpaid in the workplace. Blah blah blah...
ME: That's nice. You have cute dimples. How cute.
Doesn't seem like it would work, but it did.
So does that mean be emotional when women are unemotional and unemotional when they are emotional? Not bad, but not really spot on either. Basically be yourself and don't change it for a woman. Generic advice but that's essentially what it boils down to. Who's reality is stronger.[/QUOTE]
I'm really talking about not falling into the trap of engaging her emotionally when it's regarding an irrational subject. My example was such an example.
But, I don't think yours was. I think yours was just a way of cutting off an irrationally, emotional arguement from beginning.
Still, in the end, it's about who's reality is stronger. I would propose that as men, our reality has to be stronger because our reality is based more in truths and facts than a woman's who's reality is based more in emotions and feelings. So, you see, it is expected that we'll be the 'strong one,' hench the purpose of the shit test to begin with.
HER: Women are underpaid in the workplace. Blah blah blah...
ME: That's nice. You have cute dimples. How cute.
Doesn't seem like it would work, but it did.
So does that mean be emotional when women are unemotional and unemotional when they are emotional? Not bad, but not really spot on either. Basically be yourself and don't change it for a woman. Generic advice but that's essentially what it boils down to. Who's reality is stronger.[/QUOTE]
I'm really talking about not falling into the trap of engaging her emotionally when it's regarding an irrational subject. My example was such an example.
But, I don't think yours was. I think yours was just a way of cutting off an irrationally, emotional arguement from beginning.
Still, in the end, it's about who's reality is stronger. I would propose that as men, our reality has to be stronger because our reality is based more in truths and facts than a woman's who's reality is based more in emotions and feelings. So, you see, it is expected that we'll be the 'strong one,' hench the purpose of the shit test to begin with.
- Guest
by Guest » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:12 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111;40425]
(made up example, cause my memory is bad)
HER: Women are underpaid in the workplace. Blah blah blah...
ME: That's nice. You have cute dimples. How cute.
Doesn't seem like it would work, but it did.
So does that mean be emotional when women are unemotional and unemotional when they are emotional? Not bad, but not really spot on either. Basically be yourself and don't change it for a woman. Generic advice but that's essentially what it boils down to. Who's reality is stronger.[/QUOTE]
This is a perfect expample of what I was attempting to convey with my previous masculine/feminine post.
Let me know what you think about this idea.
Masculinity and feminity are obviously on opposite poles. Like a magnet has opposite poles it creates attraction to the opposite energy.
Your reaction to her statement in the above post was more emotional/feminine in nature. Her statement was more logical and could be viewed as masculine in nature. By framing yourself in the opposite pole of her you generate attraction. Being in the same frame as her will generate a conversation but it wont make her want to ripp your clothes off and fuck you necessarily. Now you could choose the same frame, generate a debate and dominate the debate with a win and she may find you attractive because of your powerful intellect.. but again there will be some form of opposite poles in that scenario too. It is a simple yet powerful formula for attraction: to always be opposite poles.
I believe it is not important which role (pole) either gender portrays as long as it is the complete opposite.
It is very important however to hold true and strong to which ever frame you choose. But Never ever agree with a woman if you know she is wrong just because she is being dominant. There are key specific times that what I'm talking about is effective and that is not fucking one of them..
The reason why a "fucking Alpha man" generates attraction is because the woman is forced to take on the biological role of emotional feminine.
She is forced to take on the opposite role if she wants things to run smoothly. She may not always play along smoothly but she understands her place and respects the man for being a fucking man. Every woman loves this way for sure.
She will want to marry you when you show her that you are capable of leading in either pole. If you are trying to be with a very high value strong and dominant woman but you are not leading a lifestyle higher in value than her (say a business owner or a movie star or something very high value) it would be dificult to carry the "fucking man" mentality and be with that woman. I know, been in this scenario. I was with an asian chic that owned an Advertising company and any time I showed my Alpha side she felt as if I was challenging her and she did not like that. When I was beta she absolutely loved me (if I was meeting her friends or clients however she wanted me to be a strong alpha). The relationship failed because i couldnt stand her dominant nature.
I think that switching poles on occasion leads to a long lasting healthy relationship. I have had two women in my past life want to marry me.
I have always been naturally alpha and beta which could be described as masculine feminine.
There has been alot of debate about using beta techniques. We have all seen relationships where the woman is the dominant one and the man beta or feminine and they lead happy loving lives. (not always... I know what yall are thinking)
Ive watch my parents naturally practice this methodology (role reversal) and they have been married for 32 years. I practice the same and my relationships with women are rich.
Ex: Third-world woman is sick in grass hut. Man nurtures woman back to health. What are the roles? The man is taking on the role of feminine nurturer. It is a very strong role although feminine.
Ex: Every time I fuck my girl missionary style she squirts but does not alwasy orgasm. Almost everytime my girl rides me she squirts and orgasms. Do you see the role reversal here? When im on top im dominant and in control. When she is on top She is dominant and in control. This excites her to the point of orgasm.
Ex: Woman going down on man. Man going down on woman.
Im not saying we throw away the MAN key by exposing our inherantly femine side. It is impossible to say a man does not have a femine side. He may not be comfortable expressing it but it is there. Like kissing his girl in front of his friends when she first shows up to a social gathering...Or telling his girl I love you in front of his boys. This shit makes a girl wet instantly.
When an alpha man shows a woman that he is soo intuitively in-tune with her and he comunicates with her in a vibe like something no other jerk in her past has done she will want to lock you down.
She will tell all her friends about you. You will have her friends that you have never met before begin friend requesting you on facebook. She will always be talking about the future with you and she will tell YOU she is a lucky girl.
My girl friend told me today that she is making plans for us to go to Cabo as soon as I get my passport. All I have to do is pay for my ticket and she is taking care of the rest. I use role reversal constantly in our new relationship.
If the woman is logical/masculine play the opposite role and she will find it very attractive. The underlying understanding must always be present howevery, that the man leads as Alpha and strong and dominant but there can be micro chapters in the relationship where a man shows a beta/femine/ soft side.
And let the chasing begin!
(made up example, cause my memory is bad)
HER: Women are underpaid in the workplace. Blah blah blah...
ME: That's nice. You have cute dimples. How cute.
Doesn't seem like it would work, but it did.
So does that mean be emotional when women are unemotional and unemotional when they are emotional? Not bad, but not really spot on either. Basically be yourself and don't change it for a woman. Generic advice but that's essentially what it boils down to. Who's reality is stronger.[/QUOTE]
This is a perfect expample of what I was attempting to convey with my previous masculine/feminine post.
Let me know what you think about this idea.
Masculinity and feminity are obviously on opposite poles. Like a magnet has opposite poles it creates attraction to the opposite energy.
Your reaction to her statement in the above post was more emotional/feminine in nature. Her statement was more logical and could be viewed as masculine in nature. By framing yourself in the opposite pole of her you generate attraction. Being in the same frame as her will generate a conversation but it wont make her want to ripp your clothes off and fuck you necessarily. Now you could choose the same frame, generate a debate and dominate the debate with a win and she may find you attractive because of your powerful intellect.. but again there will be some form of opposite poles in that scenario too. It is a simple yet powerful formula for attraction: to always be opposite poles.
I believe it is not important which role (pole) either gender portrays as long as it is the complete opposite.
It is very important however to hold true and strong to which ever frame you choose. But Never ever agree with a woman if you know she is wrong just because she is being dominant. There are key specific times that what I'm talking about is effective and that is not fucking one of them..
The reason why a "fucking Alpha man" generates attraction is because the woman is forced to take on the biological role of emotional feminine.
She is forced to take on the opposite role if she wants things to run smoothly. She may not always play along smoothly but she understands her place and respects the man for being a fucking man. Every woman loves this way for sure.
She will want to marry you when you show her that you are capable of leading in either pole. If you are trying to be with a very high value strong and dominant woman but you are not leading a lifestyle higher in value than her (say a business owner or a movie star or something very high value) it would be dificult to carry the "fucking man" mentality and be with that woman. I know, been in this scenario. I was with an asian chic that owned an Advertising company and any time I showed my Alpha side she felt as if I was challenging her and she did not like that. When I was beta she absolutely loved me (if I was meeting her friends or clients however she wanted me to be a strong alpha). The relationship failed because i couldnt stand her dominant nature.
I think that switching poles on occasion leads to a long lasting healthy relationship. I have had two women in my past life want to marry me.
I have always been naturally alpha and beta which could be described as masculine feminine.
There has been alot of debate about using beta techniques. We have all seen relationships where the woman is the dominant one and the man beta or feminine and they lead happy loving lives. (not always... I know what yall are thinking)
Ive watch my parents naturally practice this methodology (role reversal) and they have been married for 32 years. I practice the same and my relationships with women are rich.
Ex: Third-world woman is sick in grass hut. Man nurtures woman back to health. What are the roles? The man is taking on the role of feminine nurturer. It is a very strong role although feminine.
Ex: Every time I fuck my girl missionary style she squirts but does not alwasy orgasm. Almost everytime my girl rides me she squirts and orgasms. Do you see the role reversal here? When im on top im dominant and in control. When she is on top She is dominant and in control. This excites her to the point of orgasm.
Ex: Woman going down on man. Man going down on woman.
Im not saying we throw away the MAN key by exposing our inherantly femine side. It is impossible to say a man does not have a femine side. He may not be comfortable expressing it but it is there. Like kissing his girl in front of his friends when she first shows up to a social gathering...Or telling his girl I love you in front of his boys. This shit makes a girl wet instantly.
When an alpha man shows a woman that he is soo intuitively in-tune with her and he comunicates with her in a vibe like something no other jerk in her past has done she will want to lock you down.
She will tell all her friends about you. You will have her friends that you have never met before begin friend requesting you on facebook. She will always be talking about the future with you and she will tell YOU she is a lucky girl.
My girl friend told me today that she is making plans for us to go to Cabo as soon as I get my passport. All I have to do is pay for my ticket and she is taking care of the rest. I use role reversal constantly in our new relationship.
If the woman is logical/masculine play the opposite role and she will find it very attractive. The underlying understanding must always be present howevery, that the man leads as Alpha and strong and dominant but there can be micro chapters in the relationship where a man shows a beta/femine/ soft side.
And let the chasing begin!
- Guest
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:35 am
[QUOTE=Welsh_Dragon;40374][SIZE=2]Good question. Right on point here Grimm. I'll take a swing.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"Chase" is community driven terminology. I read it applied many different ways for all sorts of circumstances. Unfortunately without proper context it really doesn't mean much of anything.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The origins of the term were (at the most basic level) taken in relation to cold approach. In essence it is considered "chasing" when you display behaviour not congruent with your social status aka you are reaching for her or are perceived to be doing so. You make the zeitgeist feel like you are forcing or attempting to force a choice rather than it was smooth and the way of the world - i.e. the girl's idea to begin with (or even 50/50 if you are really good). Using a plethroa of initial tactics to do so.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Tyler Durden "flipping the screen/chase switch" a good post that always comes to mind on stuff like this. The trick is to go right out of the gate to make it all seem innocent, chance, whatever. By that I mean your body language, tonality, willingness to walk, lack of jealousy/trust/women hater issues. What you actually say can be secondary but those concepts are extremely powerful and attractive to women. I have seen top guys put them at comfort, get the slightest sign and it's straight into "is you pussy shaved?"..[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Relatedly, I fully advocate the approach to "pick girls that pick you first". If your mantra is "that girl ->" and you get upset when it doesn't work you are an idiot. There should nothing vested to any interaction. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Learn how to spot the likely good ones. You go in, flip that switch and let her make the female move. If she isn't into it (recall for WHATEVER reason - hence don't feel rejected) then move on. Once you observe her interest (touches you, talks with sparkly eyes, displays interest in you personally - whatever you know what I mean) you can parlay that with her, with other girls, etc etc etc. You win. Building blocks until you reach the summit.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]I think it all comes back to evolutionary psychology again. Girl needs to know you are a catch and their dirty little secret is they always choose in spite of declaring they "want to be approached, to be picked up, etc.." Bullshit. Any good guy can attest you will stand around a club, dance with your mates whatever and girls just kind of "happen" to be standing by you or around you or eyeing you up. This is their "approach" so now you have an open and you are no longer chasing IMO. That's just one example of a lot.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]A book could be written on the topic. As always also more easily shown in person than cold hard text. Why? Subject matter requires tuning in to the energy of others. Not much of that going on writing to a CPU.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
You're a smart man Welsh, you're making me think hard!
If I understood you right, your first point is that "chasing" is based on timing. In other words, if you show too much interest too early, that's chasing. I think that's a good point. Kind of like how if a girl doesn't like you, and you push too hard, you're "creepy," but if she does like you, the same actions can be taken, the same words can be said, and she'll love it.
But to say it's ALL timing is incorrect I think. We've all been in a situation where everything is going great, and you get a girl out on a day 2, you get the two of you back to her place, and she "changes her mind."
Or hell, maybe that shit just happens to me.
Anyways, so maybe it'd be better just to say - If interest is not reciprocated, and you are showing interest, it's "chasing." And leave it there.
Your second point is to "pick girls who pick you," so to say. I think that's damn right, as long as you're not limiting who you're approaching based on it. Certainly you'll batting average will go up.
I think too many guys get in to "game" to avoid rejection. They want to get good so they don't get blown out. That's the worst motive in the world IMO.
Handling rejection is an essential part of the PUA's toolkit. But that said, certainly over time you develop an eye for the girls at the bar who will be open to doing something.
And hell, developing that skill can be a great circus trick. I was at the Loon one time with a few friends, and we had just come from seeing a movie. We were playing a game, where the other guys would write something on a napkin, and you had go open a girl by giving her the napkin with whatever dumb line written on it. A couple guys went, and they lasted a couple seconds, and came back. When it was my turn, since I'm a competitive bastard, I looked around and found the easiest girl in the bar... this older blond woman. You can just sense these things. Anyways, I ended up showboating, and I brought her back to meet everyone, etc.
Then bull run got competitive, and went up to her later and number closed her under my nose... the bastard. Ahh good times.
[SIZE=2]"Chase" is community driven terminology. I read it applied many different ways for all sorts of circumstances. Unfortunately without proper context it really doesn't mean much of anything.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The origins of the term were (at the most basic level) taken in relation to cold approach. In essence it is considered "chasing" when you display behaviour not congruent with your social status aka you are reaching for her or are perceived to be doing so. You make the zeitgeist feel like you are forcing or attempting to force a choice rather than it was smooth and the way of the world - i.e. the girl's idea to begin with (or even 50/50 if you are really good). Using a plethroa of initial tactics to do so.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Tyler Durden "flipping the screen/chase switch" a good post that always comes to mind on stuff like this. The trick is to go right out of the gate to make it all seem innocent, chance, whatever. By that I mean your body language, tonality, willingness to walk, lack of jealousy/trust/women hater issues. What you actually say can be secondary but those concepts are extremely powerful and attractive to women. I have seen top guys put them at comfort, get the slightest sign and it's straight into "is you pussy shaved?"..[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Relatedly, I fully advocate the approach to "pick girls that pick you first". If your mantra is "that girl ->" and you get upset when it doesn't work you are an idiot. There should nothing vested to any interaction. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Learn how to spot the likely good ones. You go in, flip that switch and let her make the female move. If she isn't into it (recall for WHATEVER reason - hence don't feel rejected) then move on. Once you observe her interest (touches you, talks with sparkly eyes, displays interest in you personally - whatever you know what I mean) you can parlay that with her, with other girls, etc etc etc. You win. Building blocks until you reach the summit.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]I think it all comes back to evolutionary psychology again. Girl needs to know you are a catch and their dirty little secret is they always choose in spite of declaring they "want to be approached, to be picked up, etc.." Bullshit. Any good guy can attest you will stand around a club, dance with your mates whatever and girls just kind of "happen" to be standing by you or around you or eyeing you up. This is their "approach" so now you have an open and you are no longer chasing IMO. That's just one example of a lot.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]A book could be written on the topic. As always also more easily shown in person than cold hard text. Why? Subject matter requires tuning in to the energy of others. Not much of that going on writing to a CPU.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
You're a smart man Welsh, you're making me think hard!
If I understood you right, your first point is that "chasing" is based on timing. In other words, if you show too much interest too early, that's chasing. I think that's a good point. Kind of like how if a girl doesn't like you, and you push too hard, you're "creepy," but if she does like you, the same actions can be taken, the same words can be said, and she'll love it.
But to say it's ALL timing is incorrect I think. We've all been in a situation where everything is going great, and you get a girl out on a day 2, you get the two of you back to her place, and she "changes her mind."
Or hell, maybe that shit just happens to me.
Anyways, so maybe it'd be better just to say - If interest is not reciprocated, and you are showing interest, it's "chasing." And leave it there.
Your second point is to "pick girls who pick you," so to say. I think that's damn right, as long as you're not limiting who you're approaching based on it. Certainly you'll batting average will go up.
I think too many guys get in to "game" to avoid rejection. They want to get good so they don't get blown out. That's the worst motive in the world IMO.
Handling rejection is an essential part of the PUA's toolkit. But that said, certainly over time you develop an eye for the girls at the bar who will be open to doing something.
And hell, developing that skill can be a great circus trick. I was at the Loon one time with a few friends, and we had just come from seeing a movie. We were playing a game, where the other guys would write something on a napkin, and you had go open a girl by giving her the napkin with whatever dumb line written on it. A couple guys went, and they lasted a couple seconds, and came back. When it was my turn, since I'm a competitive bastard, I looked around and found the easiest girl in the bar... this older blond woman. You can just sense these things. Anyways, I ended up showboating, and I brought her back to meet everyone, etc.
Then bull run got competitive, and went up to her later and number closed her under my nose... the bastard. Ahh good times.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:52 am
I think you have some good ideas, personally though I don't use the "masculine" and "feminine" labels to describe my actions because to me, I prefer to look at it through the prism of finding the strength to be true to my own nature.
In other words, if you have this idea in your head of how you're supposed to act, then you're not going to listen to your inner self and ultimately you will come across as forced or fake. You don't want to fall in to the trap of thinking too much about your actions.
That said, I'd be foolish if I didn't admit that nearly all behavior is learned. We all have male role models (fathers, teachers, etc) who we emulated as kids. Those actions became habits, and those habits became our personalities over time.
Likewise, behavior can be molded, changed, and even un-learned. But the hallmark of a mature (read attractive) man is that he has already undergone this process. He knows who he is, what he wants, and the habits of being a man are already engrained in his very person.
So my opinion on this is to trust your upbringing, simply do what your gut tells you, and don't concern yourself too much with the plethora of behavioral labels that exist out there. Leave that for the people who are still figuring it all out.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]This is a perfect expample of what I was attempting to convey with my previous masculine/feminine post.
Let me know what you think about this idea.
Masculinity and feminity are obviously on opposite poles. Like a magnet has opposite poles it creates attraction to the opposite energy.
Your reaction to her statement in the above post was more emotional/feminine in nature. Her statement was more logical and could be viewed as masculine in nature. By framing yourself in the opposite pole of her you generate attraction. Being in the same frame as her will generate a conversation but it wont make her want to ripp your clothes off and fuck you necessarily. Now you could choose the same frame, generate a debate and dominate the debate with a win and she may find you attractive because of your powerful intellect.. but again there will be some form of opposite poles in that scenario too. It is a simple yet powerful formula for attraction: to always be opposite poles.
I believe it is not important which role (pole) either gender portrays as long as it is the complete opposite.
It is very important however to hold true and strong to which ever frame you choose. But Never ever agree with a woman if you know she is wrong just because she is being dominant. There are key specific times that what I'm talking about is effective and that is not fucking one of them..
The reason why a "fucking Alpha man" generates attraction is because the woman is forced to take on the biological role of emotional feminine.
She is forced to take on the opposite role if she wants things to run smoothly. She may not always play along smoothly but she understands her place and respects the man for being a fucking man. Every woman loves this way for sure.
She will want to marry you when you show her that you are capable of leading in either pole. If you are trying to be with a very high value strong and dominant woman but you are not leading a lifestyle higher in value than her (say a business owner or a movie star or something very high value) it would be dificult to carry the "fucking man" mentality and be with that woman. I know, been in this scenario. I was with an asian chic that owned an Advertising company and any time I showed my Alpha side she felt as if I was challenging her and she did not like that. When I was beta she absolutely loved me (if I was meeting her friends or clients however she wanted me to be a strong alpha). The relationship failed because i couldnt stand her dominant nature.
I think that switching poles on occasion leads to a long lasting healthy relationship. I have had two women in my past life want to marry me.
I have always been naturally alpha and beta which could be described as masculine feminine.
There has been alot of debate about using beta techniques. We have all seen relationships where the woman is the dominant one and the man beta or feminine and they lead happy loving lives. (not always... I know what yall are thinking)
Ive watch my parents naturally practice this methodology (role reversal) and they have been married for 32 years. I practice the same and my relationships with women are rich.
Ex: Third-world woman is sick in grass hut. Man nurtures woman back to health. What are the roles? The man is taking on the role of feminine nurturer. It is a very strong role although feminine.
Ex: Every time I fuck my girl missionary style she squirts but does not alwasy orgasm. Almost everytime my girl rides me she squirts and orgasms. Do you see the role reversal here? When im on top im dominant and in control. When she is on top She is dominant and in control. This excites her to the point of orgasm.
Ex: Woman going down on man. Man going down on woman.
Im not saying we throw away the MAN key by exposing our inherantly femine side. It is impossible to say a man does not have a femine side. He may not be comfortable expressing it but it is there. Like kissing his girl in front of his friends when she first shows up to a social gathering...Or telling his girl I love you in front of his boys. This shit makes a girl wet instantly.
When an alpha man shows a woman that he is soo intuitively in-tune with her and he comunicates with her in a vibe like something no other jerk in her past has done she will want to lock you down.
She will tell all her friends about you. You will have her friends that you have never met before begin friend requesting you on facebook. She will always be talking about the future with you and she will tell YOU she is a lucky girl.
My girl friend told me today that she is making plans for us to go to Cabo as soon as I get my passport. All I have to do is pay for my ticket and she is taking care of the rest. I use role reversal constantly in our new relationship.
If the woman is logical/masculine play the opposite role and she will find it very attractive. The underlying understanding must always be present howevery, that the man leads as Alpha and strong and dominant but there can be micro chapters in the relationship where a man shows a beta/femine/ soft side.
And let the chasing begin![/QUOTE]
In other words, if you have this idea in your head of how you're supposed to act, then you're not going to listen to your inner self and ultimately you will come across as forced or fake. You don't want to fall in to the trap of thinking too much about your actions.
That said, I'd be foolish if I didn't admit that nearly all behavior is learned. We all have male role models (fathers, teachers, etc) who we emulated as kids. Those actions became habits, and those habits became our personalities over time.
Likewise, behavior can be molded, changed, and even un-learned. But the hallmark of a mature (read attractive) man is that he has already undergone this process. He knows who he is, what he wants, and the habits of being a man are already engrained in his very person.
So my opinion on this is to trust your upbringing, simply do what your gut tells you, and don't concern yourself too much with the plethora of behavioral labels that exist out there. Leave that for the people who are still figuring it all out.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]This is a perfect expample of what I was attempting to convey with my previous masculine/feminine post.
Let me know what you think about this idea.
Masculinity and feminity are obviously on opposite poles. Like a magnet has opposite poles it creates attraction to the opposite energy.
Your reaction to her statement in the above post was more emotional/feminine in nature. Her statement was more logical and could be viewed as masculine in nature. By framing yourself in the opposite pole of her you generate attraction. Being in the same frame as her will generate a conversation but it wont make her want to ripp your clothes off and fuck you necessarily. Now you could choose the same frame, generate a debate and dominate the debate with a win and she may find you attractive because of your powerful intellect.. but again there will be some form of opposite poles in that scenario too. It is a simple yet powerful formula for attraction: to always be opposite poles.
I believe it is not important which role (pole) either gender portrays as long as it is the complete opposite.
It is very important however to hold true and strong to which ever frame you choose. But Never ever agree with a woman if you know she is wrong just because she is being dominant. There are key specific times that what I'm talking about is effective and that is not fucking one of them..
The reason why a "fucking Alpha man" generates attraction is because the woman is forced to take on the biological role of emotional feminine.
She is forced to take on the opposite role if she wants things to run smoothly. She may not always play along smoothly but she understands her place and respects the man for being a fucking man. Every woman loves this way for sure.
She will want to marry you when you show her that you are capable of leading in either pole. If you are trying to be with a very high value strong and dominant woman but you are not leading a lifestyle higher in value than her (say a business owner or a movie star or something very high value) it would be dificult to carry the "fucking man" mentality and be with that woman. I know, been in this scenario. I was with an asian chic that owned an Advertising company and any time I showed my Alpha side she felt as if I was challenging her and she did not like that. When I was beta she absolutely loved me (if I was meeting her friends or clients however she wanted me to be a strong alpha). The relationship failed because i couldnt stand her dominant nature.
I think that switching poles on occasion leads to a long lasting healthy relationship. I have had two women in my past life want to marry me.
I have always been naturally alpha and beta which could be described as masculine feminine.
There has been alot of debate about using beta techniques. We have all seen relationships where the woman is the dominant one and the man beta or feminine and they lead happy loving lives. (not always... I know what yall are thinking)
Ive watch my parents naturally practice this methodology (role reversal) and they have been married for 32 years. I practice the same and my relationships with women are rich.
Ex: Third-world woman is sick in grass hut. Man nurtures woman back to health. What are the roles? The man is taking on the role of feminine nurturer. It is a very strong role although feminine.
Ex: Every time I fuck my girl missionary style she squirts but does not alwasy orgasm. Almost everytime my girl rides me she squirts and orgasms. Do you see the role reversal here? When im on top im dominant and in control. When she is on top She is dominant and in control. This excites her to the point of orgasm.
Ex: Woman going down on man. Man going down on woman.
Im not saying we throw away the MAN key by exposing our inherantly femine side. It is impossible to say a man does not have a femine side. He may not be comfortable expressing it but it is there. Like kissing his girl in front of his friends when she first shows up to a social gathering...Or telling his girl I love you in front of his boys. This shit makes a girl wet instantly.
When an alpha man shows a woman that he is soo intuitively in-tune with her and he comunicates with her in a vibe like something no other jerk in her past has done she will want to lock you down.
She will tell all her friends about you. You will have her friends that you have never met before begin friend requesting you on facebook. She will always be talking about the future with you and she will tell YOU she is a lucky girl.
My girl friend told me today that she is making plans for us to go to Cabo as soon as I get my passport. All I have to do is pay for my ticket and she is taking care of the rest. I use role reversal constantly in our new relationship.
If the woman is logical/masculine play the opposite role and she will find it very attractive. The underlying understanding must always be present howevery, that the man leads as Alpha and strong and dominant but there can be micro chapters in the relationship where a man shows a beta/femine/ soft side.
And let the chasing begin![/QUOTE]
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:17 am
[QUOTE=grimm1111;40438]I think you have some good ideas, personally though I don't use the "masculine" and "feminine" labels to describe my actions because to me, I prefer to look at it through the prism of finding the strength to be true to my own nature.
In other words, if you have this idea in your head of how you're supposed to act, then you're not going to listen to your inner self and ultimately you will come across as forced or fake. You don't want to fall in to the trap of thinking too much about your actions.
That said, I'd be foolish if I didn't admit that nearly all behavior is learned. We all have male role models (fathers, teachers, etc) who we emulated as kids. Those actions became habits, and those habits became our personalities over time.
Likewise, behavior can be molded, changed, and even un-learned. But the hallmark of a mature (read attractive) man is that he has already undergone this process. He knows who he is, what he wants, and the habits of being a man are already engrained in his very person.
So my opinion on this is to trust your upbringing, simply do what your gut tells you, and don't concern yourself too much with the plethora of behavioral labels that exist out there. Leave that for the people who are still figuring it all out.[/QUOTE]
This is something that has been working for me very well for a long time. I believe it will kickstart the chasing you have soo eagerly requested information about.
It has been field tested by me. I am seasoned Grimm, I am not some kid who just started this stuff. If it was something that came off as forced or fake then it would not be affective and I obviously wouldnt post it. This is more of an observation from my experiences. I have a total of 11 years of relationship experience. I am currently in a relationship. You shouldn't judge the depths of my knowledge by the number of my posts on this forum. I rarely post anything. Im also not attempting to convince anyone to see my way. I am a flawed human and I cant possibly put together a complete system in a couple paragraphs.
This is much more than just an idea, it is reality. It is natural type of game. It is not difficult. It is NOT something that I'm like "oh shit I need to be this or I need to be that." It requires minimal effort to think in terms of opposite poles. This is also not a complete system of game. You have to already be a mature man in soo many ways before you can use this stuff.
You grossly contradict yourself in soo many ways. Dont be soo closed minded, you can learn something about yourself from ALL walks of life. For you to say you prefer to find the strengh to be true to your nature rather than look at the world through another lens, is in a way, saying that I am not being true to myself as I look at the world through my lens. If you were truly true to yourself then you would not be seeking advice from others on anything at all because (according to you) being true to yourself would yield all the results you need. You would not be seeking validation or approval of your methods here (as we all do) if you were truly and completely confident and true to yourself. You would not be attempting anyone elses methods if you were true to yourself and if following your gut was the way.
I will say however that much of what I do is completely from the gut as I have ingested and regurgitated soo much game. But I still question my inner inhibitions. If one does not question his inherant instincts it is quite possible to let your EGO (amongst other things) run away from you. If I always followed my gut instinctual drives, I would probably be in prison or dead.
I'm sure you have studied alot of shit and have socially conditioned yourself to be completely different from how you were prior to entering the community.
I want to thank you for your criticism. Criticism teaches us to look deeper into our own reality.
In other words, if you have this idea in your head of how you're supposed to act, then you're not going to listen to your inner self and ultimately you will come across as forced or fake. You don't want to fall in to the trap of thinking too much about your actions.
That said, I'd be foolish if I didn't admit that nearly all behavior is learned. We all have male role models (fathers, teachers, etc) who we emulated as kids. Those actions became habits, and those habits became our personalities over time.
Likewise, behavior can be molded, changed, and even un-learned. But the hallmark of a mature (read attractive) man is that he has already undergone this process. He knows who he is, what he wants, and the habits of being a man are already engrained in his very person.
So my opinion on this is to trust your upbringing, simply do what your gut tells you, and don't concern yourself too much with the plethora of behavioral labels that exist out there. Leave that for the people who are still figuring it all out.[/QUOTE]
This is something that has been working for me very well for a long time. I believe it will kickstart the chasing you have soo eagerly requested information about.
It has been field tested by me. I am seasoned Grimm, I am not some kid who just started this stuff. If it was something that came off as forced or fake then it would not be affective and I obviously wouldnt post it. This is more of an observation from my experiences. I have a total of 11 years of relationship experience. I am currently in a relationship. You shouldn't judge the depths of my knowledge by the number of my posts on this forum. I rarely post anything. Im also not attempting to convince anyone to see my way. I am a flawed human and I cant possibly put together a complete system in a couple paragraphs.
This is much more than just an idea, it is reality. It is natural type of game. It is not difficult. It is NOT something that I'm like "oh shit I need to be this or I need to be that." It requires minimal effort to think in terms of opposite poles. This is also not a complete system of game. You have to already be a mature man in soo many ways before you can use this stuff.
You grossly contradict yourself in soo many ways. Dont be soo closed minded, you can learn something about yourself from ALL walks of life. For you to say you prefer to find the strengh to be true to your nature rather than look at the world through another lens, is in a way, saying that I am not being true to myself as I look at the world through my lens. If you were truly true to yourself then you would not be seeking advice from others on anything at all because (according to you) being true to yourself would yield all the results you need. You would not be seeking validation or approval of your methods here (as we all do) if you were truly and completely confident and true to yourself. You would not be attempting anyone elses methods if you were true to yourself and if following your gut was the way.
I will say however that much of what I do is completely from the gut as I have ingested and regurgitated soo much game. But I still question my inner inhibitions. If one does not question his inherant instincts it is quite possible to let your EGO (amongst other things) run away from you. If I always followed my gut instinctual drives, I would probably be in prison or dead.
I'm sure you have studied alot of shit and have socially conditioned yourself to be completely different from how you were prior to entering the community.
I want to thank you for your criticism. Criticism teaches us to look deeper into our own reality.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:18 am
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]I believe it is not important which role (pole) either gender portrays as long as it is the complete opposite.[/QUOTE]
I cannot get behind this statement at all. It absolutely does matter what role you play as a man. A man is a man, a woman is a woman. We need to play our biologically innate roles 99% of the time lest we run the risk of angering the Gods of biomechanics with instability and uneasiness in our relationships.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]The reason why a "fucking Alpha man" generates attraction is because the woman is forced to take on the biological role of emotional feminine.[/QUOTE]
Again, I do not agree. Women are not comfortable being in any other area of the masculine-feminine spectrum than the feminine side. When you're being Alpha, you are allowing her to be a woman. And, women inherently want to be women. There is so much angst in the female population right now because our society is asking them to be something that they are not.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]She will want to marry you when you show her that you are capable of leading in either pole. If you are trying to be with a very high value strong and dominant woman but you are not leading a lifestyle higher in value than her (say a business owner or a movie star or something very high value) it would be dificult to carry the "fucking man" mentality and be with that woman. I know, been in this scenario. I was with an asian chic that owned an Advertising company and any time I showed my Alpha side she felt as if I was challenging her and she did not like that. When I was beta she absolutely loved me (if I was meeting her friends or clients however she wanted me to be a strong alpha). The relationship failed because i couldnt stand her dominant nature.[/QUOTE]
I agree being with a high value woman means that you need to be a higher value man. Women date up so this is absolutely true. But, value is determined by the individual. Maybe to a rich, successful, business woman a man of high value is a guy that works with his hands, is very masculine, and Alpha. Money and status do not necessarily fit in that equation.
As for the woman you mentioned there is an increasing number of studies that show that women that are 'empowered' or 'independent' or more 'masculine/aggressive' are substantially less happy than those that allow their biological desire to be more feminine take hold. Why do you think there is so much angst in the world of loving, sexual relationships between men and women? Why does Game even exist? Because over the last 50 years the feminist movement has convinced women that they need to put their feminine beauty on the back burner and take on more aggressive, masculine roles. The idea of equality between men and women is making everyone fucking crazy. It's the source of friction between men and women today. Further, feminism has convinced men that they need to be more feminine to embrace their female side. This has resulted in a ton of beta boys. Is it any wonder that the Alpha male is so much more sought after today than ever before?
A woman infected with the feminist bug still yearns for the love of an Alpha male, even if their mind tells them that they want someone completely different.
Is it possible that the woman in your example was suffering from a sexual identification issue? She acted more masculine but secretly yearned to be more feminine. Studies have shown over and over that self-identified feminists, male or female, are much more unhappy than those that do not identify with the movement. Traditional gender roles are not a bad thing. They are not a prision. They are the design and we are ignoring that design.
Are there exceptions? Yes. There are women that I believe are simply born with a more masculine brain and wiring. The opposite is true for men. Here's a great blog from a female misogynist:
[URL]http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/[/URL]
It is written by a lesbian about women and she touches a lot on gender roles, biological design, and the feminist movement. It's a great perspective from a female with a male brain.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]I think that switching poles on occasion leads to a long lasting healthy relationship. I have had two women in my past life want to marry me.
I have always been naturally alpha and beta which could be described as masculine feminine.
There has been alot of debate about using beta techniques. We have all seen relationships where the woman is the dominant one and the man beta or feminine and they lead happy loving lives. (not always... I know what yall are thinking)[/QUOTE]
Alpha and Beta are mutually exclusive. You are one or the other. You do not flip from one to the other. BUT, you can mimick Alpha or Beta behaviors. There is a difference. This is why it's called 'Going Beta,' because it's done intentionally for your gain. It is a rational decision or move on your part therefore it is a masculine, Alpha thing to do. It's part of strategic thinking, again an uber Alpha quality.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]Ive watch my parents naturally practice this methodology (role reversal) and they have been married for 32 years. I practice the same and my relationships with women are rich.
Ex: Third-world woman is sick in grass hut. Man nurtures woman back to health. What are the roles? The man is taking on the role of feminine nurturer. It is a very strong role although feminine.
Ex: Every time I fuck my girl missionary style she squirts but does not alwasy orgasm. Almost everytime my girl rides me she squirts and orgasms. Do you see the role reversal here? When im on top im dominant and in control. When she is on top She is dominant and in control. This excites her to the point of orgasm.
Ex: Woman going down on man. Man going down on woman.
Im not saying we throw away the MAN key by exposing our inherantly femine side. It is impossible to say a man does not have a femine side. He may not be comfortable expressing it but it is there. Like kissing his girl in front of his friends when she first shows up to a social gathering...Or telling his girl I love you in front of his boys. This shit makes a girl wet instantly.[/QUOTE]
Making a woman breakfast is not supplicating, it's being human. - Tyler Durden
Is it possible that with your parents that you're mistaking Beta behavior or feminine behavior with being human. Alpha males are not always selfish. An Alpha male will take time to show his affection to his woman. He'll choose how and when he does so.
The man caring for his sick wife is a strategic decision on his part. He needs her healthy so he stops to tend to one of his flock. This is not a feminine trait. Imagine a more extreme example. A woman will change her old husbands diapers but very few men will do the same for their woman, instead the man will outsource it to someone else...most likely another woman (daughter, sister, nurse, caretaker, etc).
Sex is never a good example regarding gender roles. Switching gender roles during sex from dominant to submissive is normal because it gives one a break from their daily lives. Sex is a release, it's a break from life. Anything goes. Further, it's very likely that she squirts and orgasms because she's on top because she's getting more clitorial stimulation. It probably has nothing to do with being more masculine on her part.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]When an alpha man shows a woman that he is soo intuitively in-tune with her and he comunicates with her in a vibe like something no other jerk in her past has done she will want to lock you down.
She will tell all her friends about you. You will have her friends that you have never met before begin friend requesting you on facebook. She will always be talking about the future with you and she will tell YOU she is a lucky girl.
My girl friend told me today that she is making plans for us to go to Cabo as soon as I get my passport. All I have to do is pay for my ticket and she is taking care of the rest. I use role reversal constantly in our new relationship.
If the woman is logical/masculine play the opposite role and she will find it very attractive. The underlying understanding must always be present howevery, that the man leads as Alpha and strong and dominant but there can be micro chapters in the relationship where a man shows a beta/femine/ soft side.
And let the chasing begin![/QUOTE]
The same can be accomplished by being unapologetically masculine. I've been there and I've heard the exact same thing. Is one right or wrong? Hard to say. Personally, I'm going to side on science and biology. Those things don't tend to lie.
Unfortunately for me, this means that women that have been infected with feminist ideology will be much more difficult for me to have a relationship with...
OR
Maybe biology will ultimately rule the day as long as I stay true to the role that I, as a man, was born to fulfill.
Guess we'll find out...
I cannot get behind this statement at all. It absolutely does matter what role you play as a man. A man is a man, a woman is a woman. We need to play our biologically innate roles 99% of the time lest we run the risk of angering the Gods of biomechanics with instability and uneasiness in our relationships.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]The reason why a "fucking Alpha man" generates attraction is because the woman is forced to take on the biological role of emotional feminine.[/QUOTE]
Again, I do not agree. Women are not comfortable being in any other area of the masculine-feminine spectrum than the feminine side. When you're being Alpha, you are allowing her to be a woman. And, women inherently want to be women. There is so much angst in the female population right now because our society is asking them to be something that they are not.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]She will want to marry you when you show her that you are capable of leading in either pole. If you are trying to be with a very high value strong and dominant woman but you are not leading a lifestyle higher in value than her (say a business owner or a movie star or something very high value) it would be dificult to carry the "fucking man" mentality and be with that woman. I know, been in this scenario. I was with an asian chic that owned an Advertising company and any time I showed my Alpha side she felt as if I was challenging her and she did not like that. When I was beta she absolutely loved me (if I was meeting her friends or clients however she wanted me to be a strong alpha). The relationship failed because i couldnt stand her dominant nature.[/QUOTE]
I agree being with a high value woman means that you need to be a higher value man. Women date up so this is absolutely true. But, value is determined by the individual. Maybe to a rich, successful, business woman a man of high value is a guy that works with his hands, is very masculine, and Alpha. Money and status do not necessarily fit in that equation.
As for the woman you mentioned there is an increasing number of studies that show that women that are 'empowered' or 'independent' or more 'masculine/aggressive' are substantially less happy than those that allow their biological desire to be more feminine take hold. Why do you think there is so much angst in the world of loving, sexual relationships between men and women? Why does Game even exist? Because over the last 50 years the feminist movement has convinced women that they need to put their feminine beauty on the back burner and take on more aggressive, masculine roles. The idea of equality between men and women is making everyone fucking crazy. It's the source of friction between men and women today. Further, feminism has convinced men that they need to be more feminine to embrace their female side. This has resulted in a ton of beta boys. Is it any wonder that the Alpha male is so much more sought after today than ever before?
A woman infected with the feminist bug still yearns for the love of an Alpha male, even if their mind tells them that they want someone completely different.
Is it possible that the woman in your example was suffering from a sexual identification issue? She acted more masculine but secretly yearned to be more feminine. Studies have shown over and over that self-identified feminists, male or female, are much more unhappy than those that do not identify with the movement. Traditional gender roles are not a bad thing. They are not a prision. They are the design and we are ignoring that design.
Are there exceptions? Yes. There are women that I believe are simply born with a more masculine brain and wiring. The opposite is true for men. Here's a great blog from a female misogynist:
[URL]http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/[/URL]
It is written by a lesbian about women and she touches a lot on gender roles, biological design, and the feminist movement. It's a great perspective from a female with a male brain.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]I think that switching poles on occasion leads to a long lasting healthy relationship. I have had two women in my past life want to marry me.
I have always been naturally alpha and beta which could be described as masculine feminine.
There has been alot of debate about using beta techniques. We have all seen relationships where the woman is the dominant one and the man beta or feminine and they lead happy loving lives. (not always... I know what yall are thinking)[/QUOTE]
Alpha and Beta are mutually exclusive. You are one or the other. You do not flip from one to the other. BUT, you can mimick Alpha or Beta behaviors. There is a difference. This is why it's called 'Going Beta,' because it's done intentionally for your gain. It is a rational decision or move on your part therefore it is a masculine, Alpha thing to do. It's part of strategic thinking, again an uber Alpha quality.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]Ive watch my parents naturally practice this methodology (role reversal) and they have been married for 32 years. I practice the same and my relationships with women are rich.
Ex: Third-world woman is sick in grass hut. Man nurtures woman back to health. What are the roles? The man is taking on the role of feminine nurturer. It is a very strong role although feminine.
Ex: Every time I fuck my girl missionary style she squirts but does not alwasy orgasm. Almost everytime my girl rides me she squirts and orgasms. Do you see the role reversal here? When im on top im dominant and in control. When she is on top She is dominant and in control. This excites her to the point of orgasm.
Ex: Woman going down on man. Man going down on woman.
Im not saying we throw away the MAN key by exposing our inherantly femine side. It is impossible to say a man does not have a femine side. He may not be comfortable expressing it but it is there. Like kissing his girl in front of his friends when she first shows up to a social gathering...Or telling his girl I love you in front of his boys. This shit makes a girl wet instantly.[/QUOTE]
Making a woman breakfast is not supplicating, it's being human. - Tyler Durden
Is it possible that with your parents that you're mistaking Beta behavior or feminine behavior with being human. Alpha males are not always selfish. An Alpha male will take time to show his affection to his woman. He'll choose how and when he does so.
The man caring for his sick wife is a strategic decision on his part. He needs her healthy so he stops to tend to one of his flock. This is not a feminine trait. Imagine a more extreme example. A woman will change her old husbands diapers but very few men will do the same for their woman, instead the man will outsource it to someone else...most likely another woman (daughter, sister, nurse, caretaker, etc).
Sex is never a good example regarding gender roles. Switching gender roles during sex from dominant to submissive is normal because it gives one a break from their daily lives. Sex is a release, it's a break from life. Anything goes. Further, it's very likely that she squirts and orgasms because she's on top because she's getting more clitorial stimulation. It probably has nothing to do with being more masculine on her part.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40434]When an alpha man shows a woman that he is soo intuitively in-tune with her and he comunicates with her in a vibe like something no other jerk in her past has done she will want to lock you down.
She will tell all her friends about you. You will have her friends that you have never met before begin friend requesting you on facebook. She will always be talking about the future with you and she will tell YOU she is a lucky girl.
My girl friend told me today that she is making plans for us to go to Cabo as soon as I get my passport. All I have to do is pay for my ticket and she is taking care of the rest. I use role reversal constantly in our new relationship.
If the woman is logical/masculine play the opposite role and she will find it very attractive. The underlying understanding must always be present howevery, that the man leads as Alpha and strong and dominant but there can be micro chapters in the relationship where a man shows a beta/femine/ soft side.
And let the chasing begin![/QUOTE]
The same can be accomplished by being unapologetically masculine. I've been there and I've heard the exact same thing. Is one right or wrong? Hard to say. Personally, I'm going to side on science and biology. Those things don't tend to lie.
Unfortunately for me, this means that women that have been infected with feminist ideology will be much more difficult for me to have a relationship with...
OR
Maybe biology will ultimately rule the day as long as I stay true to the role that I, as a man, was born to fulfill.
Guess we'll find out...
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:30 am
[QUOTE=Carnal;40440]You grossly contradict yourself in soo many ways. Dont be soo closed minded, you can learn something about yourself from ALL walks of life. For you to say you prefer to find the strengh to be true to your nature rather than look at the world through another lens, is in a way, saying that I am not being true to myself as I look at the world through my lens. If you were truly true to yourself then you would not be seeking advice from others on anything at all because (according to you) being true to yourself would yield all the results you need. You would not be seeking validation or approval of your methods here (as we all do) if you were truly and completely confident and true to yourself. You would not be attempting anyone elses methods if you were true to yourself and if following your gut was the way.[/QUOTE]
Here you go again being condescending...your argument reminds me of a dog chasing its tail. Awful.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40440]I want to thank you for your criticism. Criticism teaches us to look deeper into our own reality.[/QUOTE]
After reading the lecture you just spit out at Grimm and then you read this it's hard to not perceive you as being disingenuous.
If you're so good at being masculine or feminine at exactly the right time maybe the next skills you should master is tact and humility. Jesus.
Here you go again being condescending...your argument reminds me of a dog chasing its tail. Awful.
[QUOTE=Carnal;40440]I want to thank you for your criticism. Criticism teaches us to look deeper into our own reality.[/QUOTE]
After reading the lecture you just spit out at Grimm and then you read this it's hard to not perceive you as being disingenuous.
If you're so good at being masculine or feminine at exactly the right time maybe the next skills you should master is tact and humility. Jesus.
- Guest
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