Telling a friend...

[Ca$h]

I agree with Duece. I battled the same issues when i started on the self improvement thing (after a few crash and burns). I saw it working..the PUA techniques. I introduced a few friends but...you can lead to water...

About telling your friends, i think its a good idea to have someone to compare notes with which will lead to innovation. Am also of the belief competition makes one better (think Style Vs. the Pimp lady ..cant remember her name, at the bar where they were going head to head trying to out do each other as the ultimate PUA)

I would encourage all of you to post on the site techniques you innovate and let others refine the idea...and of course you keep all the bragging rights...

see you guys tonight

[JohnnyBravo]

Pimp lady? That's funny to me. You're talking about the infamous Miss Heidi Fleiss, the Hollywood Madam.

[warriorpoet]

recruiting your friends seldom works.

in a perfect world, youd introduce your friends to it, youd all lap up the material, generate a good mindframe, start rewriting your personality and everyone will benefit. worst case scenario in a perfect world is that your friend will decide it isnt for them, but be supportive and discreet.

back to reality, what almost invariably happens is:

friend gets excited about pickup
friend reads 'the game'
friend talks about mystery as if he is a god
friend starts making massive newbie mistakes that DLV everyone
friend thrashes the shit out of your favorite, self made routines
friend will talk A LOT about game but do relatively little
friend will expect you to be their teacher/coach/mentor
friend will get bored/discouraged
friend will remain game aware, but exist as a liability
friend may occasionally tell others about you and the game
friend may blow you out of set at critical moment because it is funny
friend will expect you to be a dancing monkey
friend will not congratulate you on successful pickup
friend may dismiss your successful PU as "that pickup artist shit you do"
friend will laugh HARD and ridicule you for blowing out, like its a game

you want a friend that is in on pickup? here:

step 1) meet other community guys that have been in it long enough to be the real deal

step 2) make friends with them

as for saturating the place with pickup guys, i wouldnt be so concerned. ive seen a LOT of guys get in on pickup and become game aware, and they all suck. only a fraction of community guys stay in long enough to get good. even the guys actively in the game still suck fairly hard, half the time. and at the end of the day, unless youre gaming ugly/drunk/foolsmate/very young girls, the routines mostly fall on their ass. the thing about hte pickup world that is going to make you truly, truly good with women is being in the game and observing well enough to actually, truly, absolutely "Get it" and know WHY things work (then you make stuff up on the spot), as well as building your experience level up with beautiful women, so that youre comfortable with them and socially proofed by past lovers

one last thing: everyone likes to have a group of buddies theyre comfy with, that they can retreat back to when they get mentally tired out from sarging. if you recruit all your RL mates, and destroy your little social fort, when you get down in the dumps or are jsut exhausted, theres nowhere to go, and you find yourself in a strange place.

i just moved city mostly for pickup. trust me on this.

cheerios

[BluesCluesPUA]

I'm really glad there's a post on this. I thought it would be nice to have friends to talk to and compare notes with, but on the same token, I don't want everyone knowing I am a part of this. But being in college, I know that people are more into such endeavors and that I am more likely to recruit new members than if I was out of school.

My general guideline is this: I never hesitate to recommend The Game. It is a great book, and everyone can benefit from the story it tells. At first, I tried to bring some friends into the community. See how many posts "sevendaysworth" or "PokerFace" have made and you'll see how well that turned out. Then I realized that if I just let various people borrow my book, the ones who are really interested will ask for more information. So I'll give them a few other materials and see if they absorb any of it. Once we've spent a substantial amount of time talking about it and it's clear that they are interested, I'll suggest joining the community. In some cases, it may just be better to let them find it for themselves. I had an interesting experience a few days ago: I recommended The Game to a friend, who recommended it to someone else, who then did the same to a third person - who is also a friend of mine. Well, a couple weeks later, that third person calls me up on the phone and says "Dude, you're BluesClues on DallasPUA!" I had no clue that he had any interest in seduction, but sure enough, he did, and now he's "Trickster" and well on his way. "TheRussian" is another friend of mine. Every time I sent him new material, he'd read it completely and then we'd talk about it for hours. Obviously a great addition to the community.

Bottom line: if they're your friends, use your judgment and figure out whether to bring them aboard.