Mojo gets into a fistfight with Asian Playboy, sorta?

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While having a conversation with my fellow Puah, TXSurfer, at an Addison bar, Asian Playboy strolls up, sits down in a laid back, puah style and starts talking. He talks about how he is planning to move to LA, how Dallas and LA are the PUA centers of the universe, etc. After a few minutes, he gets up and says goodbye to TXsurpher then turns to me and says in a menacing voice, not to ever fucking disrespect him by giving him an ultimatum via rules we have established at Dallas PUA Society regarding visiting for-profit PU businesses. I tell him he will never speak in front of the group (threatening the Lair Leader is not good diplomatic relations after all) at which he replies ?You?re going down?. This comment confused me since I am not as heavily invested in the community as APB is and, as many of you already know, have been making preparations to leave soon. He lightly slaps me on my cheek to show his alphaness. I stand up and now we are face to face. I tell him the policy he is upset about has it?s origins with the other, now defunct, lair. He snaps back and says it is my fault. I reply, ?I know ABOUT Dimitry? Alfonso? Dan?. As I say these names the look on his face changes to a ?oh shit he knows? look (PU politics/conspiracy I prefer not to waste anymore time with) and along with the guilty silence to my comment, he stands there silent, dumbfounded. We are close, our foreheads touching. I push Asian Playboy out of my face; he falls back at which point bouncers do their job and bounce us outside. Sorry guys, not one fist was thrown despite what Asian Playboy has been saying?

APB contacts me several days later to convince me our policies are not conducive to receiving PU?s. The policies we have are to prevent ?gurus? from using manipulative tactics and unethical means to get the extra sale. We don?t pimp out the members for guru?s or selfish kickbacks. Fortunately, most gurus need not resort to such tactics. And those who do, well, yes, we are not conducive to such shenanigans.

I am going to get a lot of shit for this post. Though it is important to share the truth with you.

Best,

Mojo

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First off, be careful, as he likely knows Kung-Fu, Feng Shei, or both.

[quote="Mojo"]APB contacts me several days later to convince me our policies are not conducive to receiving PU?s.[/quote]

I hate the asshole gurus who think the community exists to serve them, rather than the other way around. I also think the exclusion of such gurus is to the benifit, not the detriment of the community.

[quote]The policies we have are to prevent ?gurus? from using manipulative tactics and unethical means to get the extra sale. We don?t pimp out the members for guru?s or selfish kickbacks. Fortunately, most gurus need not resort to such tactics. And those who do, well, yes, we are not conducive to such shenanigans.[/quote]

I know a lot of lair admins benifit from kickbacks, which can result in a conflict of interest where a lair exploits members by sending them to a guru for their own financial benifit rather than the of improvement to the member. I understand you are financially independent which eliminates this problem, resulting in board policies that do not allow such exploitation.

It comes as no suprise that some gurus will be upset with such a policy.

I would like to see more gurus like Juggler, Brad P., and others who are more interested in helping people than inflating their own profits. We also have some quite skilled PUAs, and I would like to see more speaking by Dallas PUA members.

I am disapointed to hear you are leaving the community. Why is this? You've done a good job running things and I have some concerns as to how this board will function in your absence.

[/end Mojo ass kissing]

[Guest]

Weird.


Who cares?


Isn't the whole point just to meet chicks?

[Guest]

Fucking stupid

[Guest]

Actually, it started when I offered to do [b]TWO FREE SEMINARS[/b] for both Lairs separate from each other.

At which point it was simply [i]thrown back into my face[/i] with an ultimatum by Mojo to either work with one group or not at all.

And no, I don't anything about your deal with Dimitri, Alfonso, Dan, and BradP other than you all have problems with each other. Nor, quite frankly, do I *CARE* about the Dallas Lair Politics. You don't involve us in Lair politics.

[Guest]

Many months ago I had set up an initial meeting with APB to gain friendly rapport and see if he would be interested in speaking to the guys. First he called and said he would be late. Then he called and said something ?came up? and could not make it. It seemed he was playing hard to get, a tactic to get me to chase him. Though I gave him the benefit of the doubt. A few months later/ago when I again contacted APB, he agreed to meet at a coffee shop. APB calls stating he would be a bit late. I said ok. Then he called to see if we could change locations. I said no since I did not feel like playing games. He was making me work for his company. Then he calls to let me know he is bringing one of his guys. I said fine. I anticipated this so I had a fellow PUA accompany me. Outnumbering a person in negotiations gives one psychological/leveraging advantage. He knows this. I had my fellow PUA sit across of me as to have APB and his guy sit in the chairs next to me as to provide a fair negotiating ground instead of an us vs them scenario. Then APB calls to say his guy could not make it since after receiving a DWI, he would not be able to drive. APB strategically arrives and hour late WITH his staff member. Driving with a DWI is not much deterrence. Tsk Tsk. This caught me off guard, as it was meant to do, though it amused me to see the surprised look on APB?s face when he saw I had brought another. Touch?. And thus the manipulative games he played even before the meeting started.

The purpose of the meeting with APB was to establish friendly rapport and invite him to speak to you, the members. I was hoping for genuine and honest discourse that would benefit all. Instead I get not so subtle mind games. It was interesting how he slowly positioned his body away from me as to have me play the more submissive role. How he stated, ?the proof is in the pudding?, his standard response when asked about the quality of his workshops. God forbid you would want to validate yourself *eye role*. With this question I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, hoping he would give me some solid examples to counter the negative things I have heard about him and his workshops. It has been discussed among a few of us to provide a section on this site with matter-of-fact reviews of guru?s workshops. If we did this, it would not be handpicked reviews by the gurus themselves, rather 100% objective, the good and the bad, by actual members that took the workshops. Ok, I got off to a bit of a tangent? We ask visiting gurus to provide one free seat to give away to a member on this forum, a fair exchange for promoting his workshop. APB declined mentioning the classes were ?worth? too much, trying to increase his value in my eyes. We had talked about having a workshop in September and he insisted that I contact him, leveraging the I-am-chasing-him mindset. These and more manipulative techniques was the theme of the meeting. *shakes head*

One simply should not deal with such manipulative games when trying to create something positive. After this experience, I was disappointed in APB. How could I invite a guy who uses unethical tactics to talk in front of the group?

Interesting how APB and Dimitry echoed the same unfounded reason why they did not like this board cause the font color against the black background did not please them. [url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21[/url]

APB, I know that you were working with Dimitry to build a group to sell workshops. Dimitry admitted it in an email. My intention was to create a board dedicated to improving the fellas skills in pickup, not to exploit them as a way to sell workshops.

Shall I spill more beans?

[Guest]

If I wanted to go to a workshop it would be one of Style's or Mystery's not some scrubs I've never heard of. I'm on this board because its free and it gives me a lot of information. Mojo, you're the man.

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My own personal opinion on the matter is that since it's Mojo's board, he's not obligated to organize something he's not completely comfortable with.

From a purely informational standpoint, I've found Mojo's stuff useful. There a lot of self-styled gurus that are often more wrapped up in their own egos and making a buck than in really helping the community.

Just speaking in general, I have found that some people feel threatened when you speak up in a group and garner some attention. But one of the goals of a PUA is to be more extroverted, outspoken, and energetic. If you are threatened by this, it is a sign of weakness and insecurity. It's like, "yeah, you can try to be a PUA, just stay under my wing and don't outdo me."

And you know, a lot of us had a life before we began this hobby. I personally don't base my ego, self-worth, or social value on my time "in the community" or by how many lays I've had since. Some people who claim to be PUA gurus lack basic social skills and unknowingly advertise their insecurities.

Not really taking a side here, these are just my own observations.

[Guest]

Come on, cool it. This is not helping anybody. [b]This is not the place for personal attacks.[/b] If you want to fight, keep it outside.

Also it makes me really uncomfortable when someone imputes motivations as the basis for accusations. Keep it factual.

Can we lock this thread?

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If a ?guru? lies or does unethical activities, I am going to call them out. To sum up my position, below is an email sent out to all the lair leaders in the world by Formhandle of fastseduction.com after we had a talk regarding unscrupulous gurus and lair ethics:

[quote="Formhandle"]The community was NEVER about being centered on guys who get paid to
train, it's about guys helping each other, self-help, sharing
information and experiences, finding like-minded people with similar
interests in self-improvement, etc. Do not be part of the machine that
focuses the community on churning people through workshops. That does
not mean don't have guys come & talk, etc, just don't break ethics or
compromise them or the trust of your members by allowing your lair to be
exploited. If someone wants to come and speak but doesn't like or isn't
willing to abide by such guidelines then that tells you something about
what their real interest is and would you even want them to speak to
your lair members in the first place if they're not there to truly
provide a benefit and only there to churn sales?[/quote]