This post is quite simply right on the money

[Welsh_Dragon]

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion ... d=8#386252

[Pr0wler]

I have to definitely agree on that. This guy knows whats up. I believe we can all learn a thing or two from what this guy has to say...

[sexybidesign]

You have it allllll wrong. Most women are self conscious. Just because they blow you off because you said "hey beautiful" doesn't mean that she thinks that you are too good for you. It just means that your pick up line is what she has been hearing all her life.

Most women wake up every morning.. look in the mirror and look straight at their waist line, breasts, ass, and face thinking "god damn.. im a fuckin' troll". No matter how hot they are. WOmen get their hair/nails done and treats themself to a spa treatment or shopping so that they CAN feel beautiful so that men like you would like them. So that maybe one day a guy will come up to them and be a little more charming and original then saying "hey beautiful".

You think it's so easy being in a group of cockblockers? Those so called "clique" members taunt the girl about their sense of style or how they are looking that day or if they are bloated and blah blah. Its one big group of MOTHERS who make you feel insignificant and the fucked up thing is.. they do it to eachother! Plus, girls come in groups because there are men out there who take advantage of women and drug them. It is safer. Who goes to clubs alone anyway?!

Before you start thinking that beautiful women dont have self esteem problems, think about the women in lose depressing clothes and goth styles because those are the women who are more stable emotionally. They are okay in their skin therefore not caring about physical appearance... but who wants a chick like that?

Here is a pick up line for you, " I know you get a lot of this but I couldn't resist but to drop by and say hey. You are genuinly the most gorgeous women I have seen."

There is a panty dropper for you!

Taylor

[Welsh_Dragon]

>Here is a pick up line for you, " I know you get a lot of this but I couldn't resist but to drop by and say hey.
>You are genuinly the most gorgeous women I have seen."

>There is a panty dropper for you!

You had better not be intimidated by the girl to pull a line like that off. Unless you are obviously DHV or well socially proofed don't do that. If you are then good luck - these are the higher levels of fast seduction. The original thread by Nashville Playboy was posted in General not Advanced on mASF. I linked to it with a post here in General. The point he makes is that almost all guys are not initially comfortable around very good looking high value women. To suggest that women don't use this to their initial advantage is frankly ridiculous.

How much in field experience do you have gaming high value girls? I can tell you from everything I have done there is no such thing as a panty dropper line (save for the one you think was because you had DHV looks or charm or social circle or whatever). I have opened a LOT of sets and I almost never approach the target first. Observe group dynamics for a bit then open and control the 1) Alpha male or 2) Alpha female of the group. Wait for the target to instigate physical and/or verbal contact with you a la Tyler Durden's "flipping the switch early". The only exception is when the Alpha girl is your target in an all female set. The best bet in that situation is to control the next highest girl and undermine the target girls authority.

Clearly a lot of women have low self esteem. I don't find it to be directly connected to their looks in any way, usually their life experiences. It has literally nothing to do with their screening radar on men which never shuts off. The more a girl gets approached the higher she screens. It's not hard to work out.

[sexybidesign]

My level of experience comes with having a hot sister. Confidence is the number 1 thing women look for in a man. That and his charm. If a man can work up the balls to come up to a group of girls, pick one out, and drop a line like that.. most likely the women wont blow him off unless she is freakin' loaded or famous.

Don't tell me there is no such thing as a panty dropper line. I know they are out there.

Where do you get your tactics from anyway? Do you have a chick help you set up the perimeters for this group or is all of this done by men who believe they understand women?

Taylor

[Welsh_Dragon]

Depends entirely on the circumstances. I use the best available tactic to open the group. The best of those alternatives, in my experience, is to use pivots (see my post in Tactics & Techniques). So typically the answer to your question is yes - chicks help me set up the perimeters for the group.

[Vector]

There is no such thing as a panty dropper line.

The big-balls super-direct approach can work, and it can generate a lot of attraction very quickly, but it's not the line that does it. If it works, it's 100% nonverbals. And if you are going to go direct, I'd use something better. Don't apologize for approaching ("I know you get a lot of this but..."). Don't be ambiguous about your intent ("...drop by and say hey.") And don't be so superlative that it's implausible ("most gorgeous woman I have seen.")

Also you have to be careful taking too much advice from women. What they say they want and what actually attracts them are sometimes very different. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they lead you astray (not on purpose). Did your hot sister tell you that she likes to know a guy for 7 hours before sex? Most women will overstate the importance of being nice and understate the importance of not being boring, among other things.

I'm going to believe the guys who have been there. Thousands of times, some of them.

[Welsh_Dragon]

Vec - right on the money as always.

Since I often refer to it and in case anyone hasn't read it here is the link to Tyler Durden's famous post. This forms the foundation of what I understand PUA to be about.

http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/t ... o-get.html

[kx192]

The mASF guy has a point. Something like the 3rd to last paragraph, where he basically says some guys stop qualifying, stop leading, and basically allow an HB's looks to qualify them to sleep with him. That's where many AFCs drop the ball.

It's like what Brent said in a DYD seminar...basically he said if guys focused on themselves, the seminar would be called "How to cut your banging in half so you can have time to sleep." That's what this mASF guy is saying.

Besides, once guys get good, they become more selective. But when you're starting out, you don't really care how the chick is on the inside because getting laid / the alpha frame is new to you and you are probably spending most of your time developing your outer game (which is mostly A1-A3 material). Mostly you are projecting that you are selective, whether or not you are (depending on your personal background).

But panty-dropper lines? Yeah man . And goth chicks being comfortable with themselves? Both of these are urban legends. *People* are insecure / comfortable, not stereotypes. There are HSE goth chicks and LSE goth chicks.

And there are alot of people out there saying "I dress xyz" and "hang out with abc" / "live in qrs" etc because "I AM NOT TRY HARD" and it's complete bs. There are tons more real people who do what they do because it's what they do, not because they compare themselves to another group, clique or stereotype, label the other group as try hard, and then say that they are not try hard, that's why they dress/drive/act they way they do.

[Rhody]

But panty-dropper lines? Yeah man . And goth chicks being comfortable with themselves? Both of these are urban legends. *People* are insecure / comfortable, not stereotypes. There are HSE goth chicks and LSE goth chicks.

I'm glad you said something, because that's where the guy really lost me. He's saying that goth chicks dye their hair, pierce their faces, tattoo their bodies, and dress up in costumes because they are comfortable in their own skin. Quite the opposite. I know several goth chicks, and they are insecure. In fact, the more they grow up, the more they realize how silly they used to be. Don't get me wrong, they can be hot and together women, but they try so much harder than the natural girl next door to get noticed.

Oh, and HB10s are insecure, sure. But they are not just as insecure as a UG4 or UG5. HB10s are conditioned to know that they are the prize in certain environments. The point is not that a HB10 is the same as a UG5, the point is that you have to TREAT them the same. As soon as you treat them special because they are HB10, you fall into their frame and you lose. That's the beauty of the mASF guy's post.