Naurals And Reality

[Tribulus1000]

I've met a few guys I consider naturals. One of the guys had a photo of himself and Jessica Simpson in Dallas on a music gig he did.

For the record, the community pales by comparison. Especially when you compare it to the guy who gets a photo with Jessica Simpson. Oh and by the way, he's juggling so many other girls that he thinks of girls as annoying intrusions into his life! The poor guy just wants some peace and quiet sometimes. The women just don't leave him alone.

Another guy I work with is also good with women but he never spent $3000.00 on a course with Venusian Arts. Nah.
He's so good at it that he's making out with girls at work. He did that tonight and I egged him on, saying, "I got it covered, man, do what you gotta do. Take your time."

I wanted to post some characteristics I saw in the two gentlemen I consider naturals. When one thinks of a natural, these guys don't come to mind. Yet theyr'e getting laid...alot. So they're naturals by REALITY.

If I say the word "natural" or "player" it conjures up something in your mind. But if that image of a dude is not getting laid, then there's really no point to try to emulate that.

In reality, naturals are guys who you see every day and talk with you about all the different girls they fuck or know or have fucked in the past.
They're the ones that you hear bragging and you wonder if you should believe half of what they say because the other half is manure.

They may also be older dudes who talk about times when they used to smoke pot in the 70's to get girls or guys who work the strip clubs.

So here's my observations.....

1. Talk. They can talk about anything and entertain themselves with whatever. And they can get enthusiastic about things. They talk or tell jokes for hours. They draw you in as they speak.

2. Not nervous. My friends are not nervous about talking to women. At the same time, they do not actively approach 12 sets a night either. They're not out there to conquer their approach anxiety.

3. Pick up lines are dumb. I talked with a friend about lines and he knew about Mystery from VH1. He said women hear that shit all the time. His line was "Hi.". The idea is to be totally non-rehearsed. The more spontaneous, the better.

4. Good looking. Not necessarily true, but they believe in their looks and their confidence. Delusional at times. One guy I know is a total goof with his body language. His shoes are untied constantly and he's got a beer gut. He's pretty much a slob. But he gets pussy. And he fancies himself good looking.

5. They love women. This is why misogynism is weird. Because none of the guys I have met are bitter towards girls. None. As Zan says "Men who like women are liked by women." No shocker there.

6. Not worried about their "method". As opposed to the community, the naturals I know are more interested in individual relationships rather than becoming a "master" at pickup. They think pickup lines are dumb.

7. Women are sometimes considered annoying or nusences. They're thinking of something better to do. Getting with friends can also be a break from the women. Hanging out with other guys is seen as a "vacation" from the texts and phone calls they get from women.

8. Pushing the girls away makes the girls want you more. I'm sure you all know this but there it is again. Similar ideas are:
Breaking rapport, barriers, challenges, investment, commitment and consistency, scarcity.

9. Choosy. Not every girl is the same. They have the ones they like, the ones they string along and the ones they see in other states when they wanna take a break from the action or drama here at home.
This gets into "qualification" and having standards.

10. Women are also considered friends. When I say "friends" here I mean it. Real friends. Not friend with benefits or "fair weather friends" or girls you wanna fuck, I mean real friends.

11. Outcome independent. For real. They don't go to the bar to pick up chicks but to have a good time. For a long time, I figured this was just b.s. but if you read everything I've written here, it will begin to make sense. This is probably one of the things that make them attractive in the first place.

12. Friends and people around them. They seem to care about others. Having them around is like having a center for your social circle.
When I met with my friend one night, I found him with his miliary buddies. Two girls. Five guys. Two guys in wheel chairs because of IEDs in Iraq. But one of the girls knew everyone. My friend knew most of them.

13. Rotation of women. They get around. They call certain women and have them on their myspace. They constantly keep in contact with others.
The girls flirt. So do they. Back and forth.

14. Other activities. I hate to say it here but pickup is a lousy hobby for picking up women. I like the way that sounds...hmmmmm....
Anyway....The naturals have hobbies that don't involve psychological or sociological engineering. These are things they are passionate about or things they do to make a living.
My one friend is passionate about the same job I have but I'm not that enthusiastic about it as he is. He can talk to strangers about it and make it sound cool. He kinda draws people in.

So how do they do it? How do you get women when you don't approach, you don't push and you're not overly concerned with the outcome?

15. Volume and networking. Although they don't approach much, they build real friendships and relationships. They do have same night lays but also do a much slower approach.
And they're cool with being LJBF'ed, because its one more person to put on their myspace who may know someone else.

They keep in contact with old friends and make new ones all the time. They make themselves available when they can. Their availability is sometimes limited but they manage to get back to most of their friends.

If this sounds like work, it is. The one guy I know is on Plenty of Fish, Myspace and his emai at workl while chasing a girl at work who has a boyfriend.

With all that, who's got time for anything else?

If you wanna add to the list, go for it.

T

p.s. This is only opinion. Its not a gospel of how to be a natural so don't be weird about it.
Since I am not a natural its hard for me to truely understand the three guys I compiled this list from.
These are just things I thought about after being around them.

[web_hand]

agree with probably every point in this post, great observations

[Dax]

The list is good...and so are your observations. Solid stuff.

We may have approached the game differently because all of the qualities you have listed should serve as a foundation for "un-naturals" seeking to become good w/ women. Just using a few of your examples, one should always have something better to do then pick up women, not be needy, and actually enjoy the company of women. If not, you will probably be perceived poorly.... Those are all just part of the game's foundation right? Of course I recognize the few differences (like the opener thing), but I'm a believer in opening with basically anything, as long as it is not "line"-like and is congruent with your personality/characteristics/energy.

The qualities you have listed, in my own opinion, are essential to success in this field. I'm not sure what is unique here? I mean it is cool that they have quality internalized game, but can't this also be achieved by learning methods, routines, etc. then polishing, internalizing, and thus becoming?

Don't get me wrong, I am all for a natural approach...I guess I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, but the few good PUA's I've been around have became naturals through process...which is the goal right? I guess I'm just seeing the "natural vs. pua" as more of a parallel ladder, as opposed to black or white situation.

Thoughts out there?

[Tribulus1000]

The qualities you have listed, in my own opinion, are essential to success in this field. I'm not sure what is unique here? I mean it is cool that they have quality internalized game, but can't this also be achieved by learning methods, routines, etc. then polishing, internalizing, and thus becoming?

Don't get me wrong, I am all for a natural approach...I guess I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, but the few good PUA's I've been around have became naturals through process...which is the goal right?

Let's hope so. I'd like to think I learn stuff every day. A guy can learn from the systematic approach.

I think the M3 model is fantastic and I've had some success with it. But its not the whole story.

[Dax]

The qualities you have listed, in my own opinion, are essential to success in this field. I'm not sure what is unique here? I mean it is cool that they have quality internalized game, but can't this also be achieved by learning methods, routines, etc. then polishing, internalizing, and thus becoming?

Don't get me wrong, I am all for a natural approach...I guess I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, but the few good PUA's I've been around have became naturals through process...which is the goal right?

Let's hope so. I'd like to think I learn stuff every day. A guy can learn from the systematic approach.

I think the M3 model is fantastic and I've had some success with it. But its not the whole story.

I agree...I think the issue lies with the folks who live and die by one method. The "whole story" is often assumed prematurely and unfortunately, taught by most gurus.

[Slick85]

recently ive dropped all of the planned openers and lines and have been having much more success... the girls I approach arent laughing as much but I end up actually fucking them

[Westfall]

A natural also doesn't worry--perhaps because he doesnt realize when he fucks up. The PUA can often realize he's fucked up, e.g. qualifying DLVing, pulling his cock out at the party and sticking it in the mashed potatos...

This leads to the PUA collapsing because he thinks he's fucking up, causing him to do worse and worse.

The natural doesnt realize or care when they qualify/dlv. In fact In my experince it is fine to qualify to a girl (if she is qualifying to you) and you can DLV confidently and guinuinely and it will actually be a DHV.

If the girl likes you it doesnt matter what you do, you could ask her "I like you, do you like me?" and she would find it cute and romantic.

Westfall

[Dax]

wait....so it doesn't go in the mashed potatoes?

[Howiestern]

no it goes in the queso!